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Some mined blocks are (and will be) very small, this limits the possible weekly average to much smaller size than 1MB.

750kb as maximum weekly average is reasonable assumption.
It is not. Creating a new account in order to help this "argument" doesn't help it at all.
There is some truth to this statement. Some miners would indeed sometimes choose to mine very small blocks, either way the real capacity of the Bitcoin network certainly would therefore be less then one megabyte.

Seek professional help.
Just ignore him. Either a paid shill or he does really need it. I've been telling you guys to put him on ignore for a while now, why haven't you done so?
You know the word ignorance comes from the word to ignore. I never ignore anyone, it is good to be continuously confronted with opposing beliefs, it tests our own conception of truth.
legendary
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Some mined blocks are (and will be) very small, this limits the possible weekly average to much smaller size than 1MB.

750kb as maximum weekly average is reasonable assumption.
It is not. Creating a new account in order to help this "argument" doesn't help it at all.

Seek professional help.
Just ignore him. Either a paid shill or he does really need it. I've been telling you guys to put him on ignore for a while now, why haven't you done so?

The great advisor for the streamblock shills.
legendary
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Seek professional help.
Just ignore him. Either a paid shill or he does really need it. I've been telling you guys to put him on ignore for a while now, why haven't you done so?

You're right to say that, although I personally don't use Ignore for trolls (just for people who annoy me.... there is a difference!). Will these bankster shill-trolls not just spin ignoring them as another one of their "victories"? Probably, but I'm not going to argue against them forever, only as long as it takes to get real scaling solutions up and running.  Smiley
legendary
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Terminated.
Some mined blocks are (and will be) very small, this limits the possible weekly average to much smaller size than 1MB.

750kb as maximum weekly average is reasonable assumption.
It is not. Creating a new account in order to help this "argument" doesn't help it at all.

Seek professional help.
Just ignore him. Either a paid shill or he does really need it. I've been telling you guys to put him on ignore for a while now, why haven't you done so?
legendary
Activity: 1162
Merit: 1004
Silly arguments by meme carry no weight.

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Samson Mow, BTCC's chief operating officer, said: "BlockPriority is a unique and innovative service available exclusively to BTCC users. It's also a means of mitigating potential impact to our customers from the lack of progress on blocksize increases."


We are here to enjoy ourselves by making fun of you and ensure your Gavinista narrative stays dead.

Memes are very effective for that purpose.  The sillier, and thus funnier, and thus more memorable, the better.  In Dawkin's meme theory, that corresponds to fitness.

Your 'Bitcoin is dying Because Core' meme is dead, because it was less fit than our 'XT is rubbish' meme.

You are so outmatched here it's not even funny; you don't even understand the nature of the battles in which you desire to fight.

That's why Team XT is getting rekt like Ronda Rousey.  You should have touched gloves, Mikey.   Smiley

You are losing. You already gave up fighting against big blocks. Your proxy war against your hate objects (who are the trigger of big blocks coming) is the best evidence.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1162684.msg13034374;topicseen#msg13034374
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1162684.msg12955016;topicseen#msg12955016
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13034875



Seek professional help.

Do it!
legendary
Activity: 3430
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Silly arguments by meme carry no weight.

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Samson Mow, BTCC's chief operating officer, said: "BlockPriority is a unique and innovative service available exclusively to BTCC users. It's also a means of mitigating potential impact to our customers from the lack of progress on blocksize increases."


We are here to enjoy ourselves by making fun of you and ensure your Gavinista narrative stays dead.

Memes are very effective for that purpose.  The sillier, and thus funnier, and thus more memorable, the better.  In Dawkin's meme theory, that corresponds to fitness.

Your 'Bitcoin is dying Because Core' meme is dead, because it was less fit than our 'XT is rubbish' meme.

You are so outmatched here it's not even funny; you don't even understand the nature of the battles in which you desire to fight.

That's why Team XT is getting rekt like Ronda Rousey.  You should have touched gloves, Mikey.   Smiley

You are losing. You already gave up fighting against big blocks. Your proxy war against your hate objects (who are the trigger of big blocks coming) is the best evidence.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1162684.msg13034374;topicseen#msg13034374
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1162684.msg12955016;topicseen#msg12955016
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13034875



Seek professional help.
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We've yet to average over 750kb on the weekly.
750kb is the limit of a 1MB block. We are already at the limit.

 Huh

I'm not sure that's what the article (from Jan. 2015) implies..

Did some miner self-enforce a 750kb soft limit? Yes.

Is the effective limit 1MB? Absolutely.

I mean we're seeing blocks above 750kb on a daily basis now...


Some mined blocks are (and will be) very small, this limits the possible weekly average to much smaller size than 1MB.

750kb as maximum weekly average is reasonable assumption.
legendary
Activity: 1162
Merit: 1004
Silly arguments by meme carry no weight.

Quote
Samson Mow, BTCC's chief operating officer, said: "BlockPriority is a unique and innovative service available exclusively to BTCC users. It's also a means of mitigating potential impact to our customers from the lack of progress on blocksize increases."


We are here to enjoy ourselves by making fun of you and ensure your Gavinista narrative stays dead.

Memes are very effective for that purpose.  The sillier, and thus funnier, and thus more memorable, the better.  In Dawkin's meme theory, that corresponds to fitness.

Your 'Bitcoin is dying Because Core' meme is dead, because it was less fit than our 'XT is rubbish' meme.

You are so outmatched here it's not even funny; you don't even understand the nature of the battles in which you desire to fight.

That's why Team XT is getting rekt like Ronda Rousey.  You should have touched gloves, Mikey.   Smiley

You are losing. You already gave up fighting against big blocks. Your proxy war against your hate objects (who are the trigger of big blocks coming) is the best evidence.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1162684.msg13034374;topicseen#msg13034374
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1162684.msg12955016;topicseen#msg12955016
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13034875


Next year, despite you'll realize that the devs were forced to remove the cap, you nevertheless will claim victory:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikssfUhAlgg
legendary
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No, xapo did it before. Those are the market players who will enforce big blocks next year. Zero chance for the steam blocking trolls.

Do you enjoy sucking up to the bankers?

Are these the leaders you trust Bitcoin with? Larry Summers, Citibank & Visa?


Your signature is sucking up to the bankers.

Hal Finny is sucking up to the bankers?


According to brg's logic yes.
legendary
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I want to apologise to Ice and Berg and anyone one else that I may have had a pop at on this or other threads.

Is anyone else struggling to remember the above? Not saying it didn't happen, bett, but you're possibly being a little too hard on yourself  Huh

Punching someone in the face is still bad even if some other people are chopping off limbs. Smiley

Even face-punches are memorable though. It's possible that you're also just remembering it differently to everyone else  Wink
legendary
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I want to apologise to Ice and Berg and anyone one else that I may have had a pop at on this or other threads.

Is anyone else struggling to remember the above? Not saying it didn't happen, bett, but you're possibly being a little too hard on yourself  Huh

We're all big boys here, so no need to smooth over unruffled feathers.  All the bed-wetters who can't take a joke left for obscure rump forums.

Back when the looming possibility of catastrophic consensus failure seemed real, I was inviting everyone from all sides over to watch the fireworks at a Great Schism party.

sgbett, feel free to have a pop at me anytime.  The adversarial process is educational; clash is the crucible from which truth emerges.  Even if we have to exaggerate or typify our erstwhile fellow Bitcoiners as opponents in order to stir the shit.

Life would be boring as hell if everyone got along and never disagreed.  And that goes double for Bitcoin, which as we all know is powered by internet nerd drama.   Cheesy

I'll still  be having my own opinion on shit, for my own reasons. I'm just going to try not to fall into the trap of thinking that people that disagree have some ulterior motive. They might, but until there is hard evidence of it then any empty accusations on my part are just noise.

I still think you small blockers are crazy like Wink
legendary
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I want to apologise to Ice and Berg and anyone one else that I may have had a pop at on this or other threads.

Is anyone else struggling to remember the above? Not saying it didn't happen, bett, but you're possibly being a little too hard on yourself  Huh

Punching someone in the face is still bad even if some other people are chopping off limbs. Smiley

legendary
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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
No, xapo did it before. Those are the market players who will enforce big blocks next year. Zero chance for the steam blocking trolls.

Do you enjoy sucking up to the bankers?

Are these the leaders you trust Bitcoin with? Larry Summers, Citibank & Visa?


Your signature is sucking up to the bankers.

Hal Finny is sucking up to the bankers?

LOL no.  Your problem is that you share so vanishingly little of Hal and Satoshi's Vision that you are almost entirely unable to grok what Bitcoin is all about.  The rest of your buffoonery flows from that initially flawed paradigm.
legendary
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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
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The BTTC event will force

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There is nothing all that interesting about it, in this case: In Bitcoin, a fee is pretty much a fee regardless of its paid in or out of band.
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Speaking of 'out of band', let me again suggest that it ('out of band') is a powerful concept which could be used to financially reward all infrastructure providers rather than just miners.  Specifically, 'full verifying transfer nodes' (shortened to 'full nodes'.)  The obvious reason for doing so would be that it would foster a broad and robust network.

If a dedicated subordinate chain were used for the 'global network infrastructure support reward' duty, the payouts could be done on the micro level.  Only those actively supporting the infrastructure would care much about this particular sidecoin so the load would not need to be borne on the main-chain.  Better yet, there would need be nearly no changes to core as it operates now provided that the miners could be induced to submit the block reward to the support sidechain.  Not sure how best this would be accomplished (if it is even very possible.)

Yes, in and out of band fees are key to weening Bitcoin off block subsidies without starving it.

That's why I take care to always refer to fee markets in the plural, lest someone get the wrongheaded idea that we have limited mechanisms for dealing with fee backpressure resulting from continuously full blocks.
legendary
Activity: 2156
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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
I want to apologise to Ice and Berg and anyone one else that I may have had a pop at on this or other threads.

Is anyone else struggling to remember the above? Not saying it didn't happen, bett, but you're possibly being a little too hard on yourself  Huh

We're all big boys here, so no need to smooth over unruffled feathers.  All the bed-wetters who can't take a joke left for obscure rump forums.

Back when the looming possibility of catastrophic consensus failure seemed real, I was inviting everyone from all sides over to watch the fireworks at a Great Schism party.

sgbett, feel free to have a pop at me anytime.  The adversarial process is educational; clash is the crucible from which truth emerges.  Even if we have to exaggerate or typify our erstwhile fellow Bitcoiners as opponents in order to stir the shit.

Life would be boring as hell if everyone got along and never disagreed.  And that goes double for Bitcoin, which as we all know is powered by internet nerd drama.   Cheesy
legendary
Activity: 2156
Merit: 1072
Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
Silly arguments by meme carry no weight.

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Samson Mow, BTCC's chief operating officer, said: "BlockPriority is a unique and innovative service available exclusively to BTCC users. It's also a means of mitigating potential impact to our customers from the lack of progress on blocksize increases."

Mow is just doing his job, which is to make a profit for BTCC.  Using for marketing purposes the energy/hype/FUD of the Bitcoin Civil War is a clever way to do that.  Good from him.  The rest of us know RBF makes his USP fairly useless, and LN will make it obsolete.

As for memes, your stark, absolute denial of their importance betrays your lack of confidence.

Why don't you go tell Richard Dawkins all about how silly memes are?  Oh wait, you just aren't sufficiently educated to realize memes are as important as genes in shaping evolution.

This is is Bitcointalk, not a dry scholarly journal.  Here in the court of public opinion, control of the narrative does carry weight.

Perhaps you've never encountered the phrase "withering ridicule."

That tells us you are also insufficiently educated to be familiar with Saul Alinky's famous maxim "Ridicule is man's most potent weapon."

Since you are a special needs type learner, I'll spell it out for you and t y p e  s l o w l e y . . .

We are not here to argue with you.  We already won the argument, after beating XT to death with our FUD stick and DDOSing the corpse into subatomic particles with the trusty old LOIC.

We are here to enjoy ourselves by making fun of you and ensure your Gavinista narrative stays dead.

Memes are very effective for that purpose.  The sillier, and thus funnier, and thus more memorable, the better.  In Dawkin's meme theory, that corresponds to fitness.

Your 'Bitcoin is dying Because Core' meme is dead, because it was less fit than our 'XT is rubbish' meme.

You are so outmatched here it's not even funny; you don't even understand the nature of the battles in which you desire to fight.

That's why Team XT is getting rekt like Ronda Rousey.  You should have touched gloves, Mikey.   Smiley
legendary
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Oh yeah, the whole "you're just not ready" excuse  Roll Eyes
Just put him on ignore like me and you will be better off. XT is a failed takeover of Bitcoin. Everyone should accept its fate by now.

XT. LOL. You proxy warriors are so funny. As if it is about XT. Gavin and Mike are the main trigger that the community will raise the limit soonish.
If you'll claim victory next year after you'll have been forced to follow the new limit is irrelevant.

mike is done, still waiting for gavin to hand his key back.
legendary
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Oh yeah, the whole "you're just not ready" excuse  Roll Eyes
Just put him on ignore like me and you will be better off. XT is a failed takeover of Bitcoin. Everyone should accept its fate by now.

XT. LOL. You proxy warriors are so funny. As if it is about XT. Gavin and Mike are the main trigger that the community will raise the limit soonish.
If you'll claim victory next year after you'll have been forced to follow the new limit is irrelevant.
legendary
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Terminated.
Oh yeah, the whole "you're just not ready" excuse  Roll Eyes
Just put him on ignore like me and you will be better off. XT is a failed takeover of Bitcoin. Everyone should accept its fate by now.
legendary
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The BTTC event will force

What?  Miners have taken payments for prioritizing transactions for eons. MTGox was doing the same thing in _2011_ (it gave hosting to eligius in exchange for prioritizing transactions).  F2Pool apparently has an API that you can pay access too.

Google 'gmaxwell out of band fees' and you can find lots of posts where I'm schooling people about this possibility (and actuality)-- including pushing for fee estimator designs that don't get confused by it.

There is nothing all that interesting about it, in this case: In Bitcoin, a fee is pretty much a fee regardless of its paid in or out of band.

We even have a supported, documented, and maintained facility in Bitcoin Core for doing this, and have for years, written by the same people you seem to expect to be surprised by it:

(...)

That it's surprising to /you/ only shows you weren't paying attention.  Smiley  

Todd is surprised/concerned. I'm not.
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