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newbie
Activity: 14
Merit: 0
I don't know the guy (bit365). So don't think I'm being biased or partial.

If I read him correctly, payouts for investments were higher than they should have been. THAT issue has been fixed. But there are issues that resulted: Having paid more to investors, liquidity seems a real issue. People who invested 10 btc are not being paid, while people who invested 0.01 btc are getting paid. There is an issue with the "cash flow."

So to recap so far:

1) There was an issue that is fixed.
2) That issue seems to have stressed the business's margin (arguably a low-margin business to begin with).

I believe that BTC365 is legit. I have placed 148 or so bets and have been paid out on every single one (that I won).

So I propose that people invest in his business. Again, I do not know this guy. I have one more game this season, after which I will invest my bitcoins myself. Until the 2014 season kicks off.

It's either that or we be very patient with the payouts. But it does not seem to me that we should be swinging at a guy between a rock and a hard place.
JJ

I would have no problem with this, if bit was being straight with us.  The amounts owed to people are not part of the book's margin structure.  They should be coming straight from the money that was invested with the site.  According to the site stats, the book is up 161.9 BTC in profit alone, and has a current bankroll of 494 BTC invested.  There is no acceptable explanation for why those amounts can not be paid back on demand.

At this point, nobody should be betting with these guys until this stuff is back on track.  I'm at the point now where I'd kill just to have my original investments back.  It's a shame.  I don't know what recourse there is.  I was always worried about something like this but when I first invested the amount I had out there was something I was willing to risk.

Whatever happened, I would much prefer the honest truth than being strung along like this.  It's the least that can be done.
hero member
Activity: 886
Merit: 500
I don't know the guy (bit365). So don't think I'm being biased or partial.

If I read him correctly, payouts for investments were higher than they should have been. THAT issue has been fixed. But there are issues that resulted: Having paid more to investors, liquidity seems a real issue. People who invested 10 btc are not being paid, while people who invested 0.01 btc are getting paid. There is an issue with the "cash flow."

So to recap so far:

1) There was an issue that is fixed.
2) That issue seems to have stressed the business's margin (arguably a low-margin business to begin with).

I believe that BTC365 is legit. I have placed 148 or so bets and have been paid out on every single one (that I won).

So I propose that people invest in his business. Again, I do not know this guy. I have one more game this season, after which I will invest my bitcoins myself. Until the 2014 season kicks off.

It's either that or we be very patient with the payouts. But it does not seem to me that we should be swinging at a guy between a rock and a hard place.
JJ

Interesting solution to the problem. Heck, at this point, if they're really suffering liquidity problems to that extent, I'd be willing to let him turn my investment + payout of 10.5btc to an "investment" in bitcoinsports.eu, with a definitive payment date down the road, along with a portion of any winnings the site has gotten from now until then.

I just wish he'd talk to us. This whole "let's not say anything, but quietly respond to any small requests while ignoring the requests for the large amounts that we owe" is destroying their credibility and their business.

Of course, if he just wants to run off into the sunset with all of our btc, guess everything makes perfect sense...
newbie
Activity: 25
Merit: 0
Hello Bit
The following bet was placed 2 minutes after the game started and it hasnt been confirmed so please return the amount.
http://bitcoinsports.eu/bet/71174?destination=bet-slip

Reminder

Thanks for the prompt response.

I would kill for a prompt response
legendary
Activity: 930
Merit: 1010
http://www.bitcoinsports.eu/inv/98926

2+ weeks now and investements were supposed to be resumed.
Still nothing. What is going on here? What really happend to the money?
member
Activity: 82
Merit: 10
I don't know the guy (bit365). So don't think I'm being biased or partial.

If I read him correctly, payouts for investments were higher than they should have been. THAT issue has been fixed. But there are issues that resulted: Having paid more to investors, liquidity seems a real issue. People who invested 10 btc are not being paid, while people who invested 0.01 btc are getting paid. There is an issue with the "cash flow."

So to recap so far:

1) There was an issue that is fixed.
2) That issue seems to have stressed the business's margin (arguably a low-margin business to begin with).

I believe that BTC365 is legit. I have placed 148 or so bets and have been paid out on every single one (that I won).

So I propose that people invest in his business. Again, I do not know this guy. I have one more game this season, after which I will invest my bitcoins myself. Until the 2014 season kicks off.

It's either that or we be very patient with the payouts. But it does not seem to me that we should be swinging at a guy between a rock and a hard place.
JJ
newbie
Activity: 13
Merit: 0
http://bitcoinsports.eu/bet/23456?destination=bet-slip

I don't think we're ever going to get paid, guys. :/ This is still 10 btc, and 8 days late. There is no reason that an "investment payout problem" should have taken this long to resolve. The game is even graded correctly as a win - it's just not paying out.

It should literally take bit365 2 seconds to find the address that my 5btc payment came from, and then send back my 5btc wager along with the 5.5 btc winnings.

Couple that with the fact that bit365 seems to be able to instantly take care of small bets means that they are having liquidity problems, not "investment calculation" problems.

Ugh...

bitcoinsports.eu, where even when you win, you lose. Sad

I love how people are posting on this board 15 minutes after their bet closes demanding their .0005 BTC payment. While some people are waiting on thousands of dollars to be returned to them. I also agree with the liquidity speculation, if they were having so many issues grading bets and investments it seems prudent to down the site to stop the work flow. It seems the base of the pyramid is crumbling.   Sad Lips sealed
hero member
Activity: 886
Merit: 500
http://bitcoinsports.eu/bet/23456?destination=bet-slip

I don't think we're ever going to get paid, guys. :/ This is still 10 btc, and 8 days late. There is no reason that an "investment payout problem" should have taken this long to resolve. The game is even graded correctly as a win - it's just not paying out.

It should literally take bit365 2 seconds to find the address that my 5btc payment came from, and then send back my 5btc wager along with the 5.5 btc winnings.

Couple that with the fact that bit365 seems to be able to instantly take care of small bets means that they are having liquidity problems, not "investment calculation" problems.

Ugh...

bitcoinsports.eu, where even when you win, you lose. Sad
newbie
Activity: 25
Merit: 0
Bit - Still waiting on this one from last Monday Night's game. Should be around 7.6 btc www.bitcoinsports.eu/bet/63398 .

Please take care of this by today.

Thanks
newbie
Activity: 28
Merit: 0
Now this is a reminder.. It's the second time I am posting this

I haven't been paid for this one yet --> http://bitcoinsports.eu/bet/43ed1

Please update. Thanks
member
Activity: 118
Merit: 10
Hi bit365

Still missing the payment of 7.02972001 BTC from my cashed out investment http://www.bitcoinsports.eu/inv/aa8e3 at my address https://blockchain.info/address/1N8F6SnRLQaSgkHCD9QkMiDxHrTysMiU8g.


Is it possible for you to show the list of cashed out investment your have in your backlog?

Thanks
 AlexC
newbie
Activity: 34
Merit: 0
The following graded winning bets have not been paid (for 5 days now):
http://www.bitcoinsports.eu/bet/ddd9c
http://www.bitcoinsports.eu/bet/78f3b

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Edit: These have now been paid.  Thank you!

I also have an unrelated question about your accounting.  Do the amounts listed at the top of your web page include Futures bets, such as those taken at the beginning of the (American) football season?  As I'm writing this, the numbers shown are:
WAGERED=2507.41  PROFIT=161.85

If those wagers do not include futures, then I would encourage you to:
  1) State clearly what bets are not included (i.e. before a certain date, all futures bets, or whatever the case may be), and
  2) Let would-be investors know what the amount collected and outstanding on futures bets is and

I recognize that you're swamped out the moment trying to clean up the back-log of unpaid bets, but please clarify when you can.  At this point, I think anything you can do to help bolster the confidence of potential investors is ultimately to your benefit.  As the season winds to a close, the outstanding futures bets are an issue that skeptics could easily seize on as evidence that "BitcoinSports is a scam".  I hope you'll take this opportunity to prevent that.
newbie
Activity: 18
Merit: 0
I have one game that was graded a win with no payout from two days ago and a parlay from a day ago that has not been graded a win yet. Please pay these two out.

Win with no payout yet:
http://www.bitcoinsports.eu/bet/e3cc6

Parlay win with games still pending:
http://www.bitcoinsports.eu/bet/c7dc1
member
Activity: 82
Merit: 10
Btc365,

I understand you are having issues... please see my bets below:

2 days 20 hours: http://bitcoinsports.eu/bet/e496a?destination=bet-slip
1 day 5 hours: http://bitcoinsports.eu/bet/1fd9c?destination=bet-slip
3 hours 45 mins: http://bitcoinsports.eu/bet/6b647?destination=bet-slip

... I recommend a push based on Oxford United rescheduling for 12/5 (December 5)... but I leave it up to you:

http://bitcoinsports.eu/bet/d9b44?destination=parlay-slip

Thanks!
JJ
newbie
Activity: 33
Merit: 0
Bit,

I have a few issues I'm hoping you can resolve.
This bet (http://www.bitcoinsports.eu/bet/78fff) has not been graded or paid out.Also, this bet (www.bitcoinsports.eu/bet/65ae1) has been graded a win but not paid out.
I understand you're having some issues, but I figure I'd bring it to your attention.

Thanks.

echo this

newbie
Activity: 14
Merit: 0
Update on current state of investments:

We wanted to let everyone know what the status is with investment cash outs and why there has been such a long delay in fixing this issue.

About two weeks ago we noticed investments were having the incorrect amount added when grading losing bets, resulting in the net amounts for all investments being higher than they should have been. We were quickly able to fix this for all future bets that have been graded, but the net amounts would still be incorrect from past bets.

Since then, we have had one person attempting to correct the investment totals, as well as grade all bets and deal with all support requests, which has led to the significant backlog.

Resolution plan:

We will be working through any remaining pending bets and support requests today.

Investment cash outs will also resume later today in the order they were requested. We will be manually going through about ~8000 bets for each investment to make sure the net amount is correct, as a better solution has not been discovered at this time.

We apologize for all the headaches, and thank you for your patience. This has been a learning experience for our team and we can assure you business will resume as usual very soon and payouts will be back to under one hour.

Thank you

Bit365,

Thank you for taking the time to give us an update.

http://bitcoinsports.eu/bet/23456?destination=bet-slip

I'll be sure to update the thread to let everyone know when this 10.5 btc payment has been made.

Still haven't received this. Did something happen today that kept you from fulfilling this promise? It is 10 btc, and it has been 7 days. As I'm sure you can understand, I'm starting to freak out, especially since it seems like you are paying the small bets and leaving out the big ones. :/

Agree.  Guys, this is really, really concerning.  I have about 9 BTC outstanding as well.  About a day has passed since you said you'd resolve outstanding bets and there's a guy with 10 BTC out there who can't get paid, but people who are betting small are getting paid.  I really hope I'm wrong but this isn't adding up.  Please make sure the larger amounts are paid ASAP so we have some confidence we're not getting swindled out of thousands of dollars.  If you're trying to be a legitimate business, your customers should NEVER have to feel this way.  Completely unacceptable as the 10.5 btc payment has nothing to do with you figuring out the investment calculations.
newbie
Activity: 3
Merit: 0
Bit,

I have a few issues I'm hoping you can resolve.
This bet (http://www.bitcoinsports.eu/bet/78fff) has not been graded or paid out.Also, this bet (www.bitcoinsports.eu/bet/65ae1) has been graded a win but not paid out.
I understand you're having some issues, but I figure I'd bring it to your attention.

Thanks.
hero member
Activity: 886
Merit: 500
Update on current state of investments:

We wanted to let everyone know what the status is with investment cash outs and why there has been such a long delay in fixing this issue.

About two weeks ago we noticed investments were having the incorrect amount added when grading losing bets, resulting in the net amounts for all investments being higher than they should have been. We were quickly able to fix this for all future bets that have been graded, but the net amounts would still be incorrect from past bets.

Since then, we have had one person attempting to correct the investment totals, as well as grade all bets and deal with all support requests, which has led to the significant backlog.

Resolution plan:

We will be working through any remaining pending bets and support requests today.

Investment cash outs will also resume later today in the order they were requested. We will be manually going through about ~8000 bets for each investment to make sure the net amount is correct, as a better solution has not been discovered at this time.

We apologize for all the headaches, and thank you for your patience. This has been a learning experience for our team and we can assure you business will resume as usual very soon and payouts will be back to under one hour.

Thank you

Bit365,

Thank you for taking the time to give us an update.

http://bitcoinsports.eu/bet/23456?destination=bet-slip

I'll be sure to update the thread to let everyone know when this 10.5 btc payment has been made.

Still haven't received this. Did something happen today that kept you from fulfilling this promise? It is 10 btc, and it has been 7 days. As I'm sure you can understand, I'm starting to freak out, especially since it seems like you are paying the small bets and leaving out the big ones. :/
newbie
Activity: 28
Merit: 0
I haven't been paid for this one yet. That game ended last evening.

http://bitcoinsports.eu/bet/43ed1

Please update. Thanks
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