Topic: Bitcointalk Halving Party - Discord server - page 6. (Read 25756 times)

That's the saddest part here, that we even need rules like (for the sake of the argument let's say I believe your story)  "don't tell your friends to make Discord accounts just so they can vote for you". What happened to good sportsmanship?


Yeah I know others pointed that out, and that's why I wanted to check the exact date and time of account creation, which just confirmed my suspicions that accounts were probably created in bulk.  


Is that official? I am asking because in the first pizza bakeoff votes of newly created Discord accounts were not counted and I see no reason why it shoulnd't be the case here as well.

It's awesome how you accuse me of being full of shit when I haven't broken any rules.  When you bring me the rules where it was written that I couldn't invite my friends even in the last second of the contest, I'll agree with you and maybe some merit.  Until proven otherwise, you'd better write elsewhere because I think it's quite useless.  I had to mention Fil because he is the runner-up and with so many votes otherwise I would never have allowed myself to point it out.

No negativity mate, I can simply recognize when someone is full of shit and trying to put the blame for his own actions onto someone else.
If you look at the posts on the previous page, they were mostly talking about You, not Fil. About your votes being added on the last day by new accounts made on that same day.
Then you come and say that although Fil is a friend, you will point a finger at him, because his votes are suspicious too.
Don't you find this to be childish and pathetic? I sure do.

Anyway, looks like we're sticking with the story of: I made 10 of my friends who never had discord register and vote for me on the last day, so I could win...
Congratulations on your well deserved first place. I'm done here.


All the best to you too.

Hey, I feel negative vibes in your mood (and also a bit of presumption) I hope you were a member and participant in the contest to want these explanations.  In any case, if you know how to read you can see that I have already given the explanations just above but once again I see how controversy is made against non-existent rules and the falsehood of my voters is taken into account but one does not look at the alleged list that I pointed out instead .  Well what can I say .... a little less hypocrisy.

Correct, as pointed out earlier in the thread by another user:



Dude, are you trying to sidetrack the conversation?
The accounts you've listed as proof of suspicious behavior were at least made BEFORE the 10th of June.

You're saying that Fillippone's votes are suspicious because the voters registered in 2022, while some of your voters did that on June 10 2023, the last day of voting.

Let's stop ignoring the elephant in the room and ask you a direct question that we'd all like to know the answer to.
Did you create accounts that came to vote for you on June 10?
(Esiliato, Pone, suca, Puppa, FrancescoM, Tony, Francuzzo, PippoFranco, Ciccio, Ingrassia)

I can simply reply that the rules did not allow external votes, so in that period of time there I convinced some close friends (and little accustomed to technology) to vote for me as the contest had now come to an end.

The only interesting thing on that list is that I don't recognize majority of those names. One would think (well at least I would) that majority of bitcointalk Discord server members are also active here, but I guess that's not the case.


As I mentioned in one of my previous post that's certainly a possibility, that someone gets bunch of alt accounts before contest starts in order to be less suspicious. That is much harder to prove though, than what happend in your case when few hours before voting ended 9 accounts were created and all of them voted for you. Can you maybe give a plausible explanation for that?

Here is the list of those accounts and the exact time of creation. 9 accounts in ~1 hour makes me think that the same person is behind all of them.

Ciccio Ingrassia#9543
Creation Date(12H format): 2023-06-10, 8:13:18 PM

PippoFranco#7119
Creation Date(12H format): 2023-06-10, 8:08:45 PM

Francuzzo#6809
Creation Date(12H format): 2023-06-10, 8:01:25 PM

Tony#4799
Creation Date(12H format): 2023-06-10, 7:46:37 PM

FrancescoM#1944
Creation Date(12H format): 2023-06-10, 7:40:54 PM

Puppa#7905
Creation Date(12H format): 2023-06-10, 7:26:23 PM

suca#4717
Creation Date(12H format): 2023-06-10, 7:18:37 PM

Pone#2786
Creation Date(12H format): 2023-06-10, 7:16:41 PM

Esiliato#3317
Creation Date(12H format): 2023-06-10, 7:10:00 PM

I didn't want to answer until Cyrus' official decision but given these allegations I think it's inevitable.

I'm sorry because Fil is a friend of the Italian board but I noticed to my amazement that many votes have something unique about them, I reproduce the list here for completeness.

Fillippone

Pad 31/1/22

Nomos 5/1/22

PainAndDeath 10/2/22

Cate 21/5/22

SiamGalib 14/8/22

Eike 22/9/22

Smokey 23/11/22

JhonnyBitcoin 4/12/22

legendary_BTC 4/12/22

Bibro 9/12/22

Lucakr97 14/01/23

Bombercup 30/01/23

Unknown OP 5/2/23

Nlovir 5/2/23

Accattone 16/2/23

BitcoinPeople 2/6/23

FG 6/6/23

Luzni 7/6/23

Dump 9/6/23

It's really curious to note how many accounts were registered during 2022 and some a few days before the closure but the thing that makes me think more is that some are registered in the same days... funny isn't it?

I don't want to cry out to the scandal but it all seems very surreal, almost as if it were a year-long preparation or simple coincidence.

Edit: he also voted for himself

Imho, preferential voting could work good.


Of course it shoulnd't count. I am sure that you remember the situation from the first year contest and how votes from brand new accounts were removed so it should be the same thing in this year's contest as well.

Out of curiosity, I checked the exact account creation time and date via Discord ID (which is unique for every account and you get it by right clicking on someone and clicking "Copy User ID") of the last 9 accounts that voted for Mendace and results are interesting. All those accounts are created on the evening of June 10th (afaik last day of voting) in an hour or so its probably one person behind all of them.

For those who want to check it out by themselves, here is the tool https://hugo.moe/discord/discord-id-creation-date.html

Dont know if noticed , but Discord has or will be made some changes of the intern Usernames you have !

The formerly intern Username was your Username and some kind of number , for example my one was Lafu#3216.
This will be changing and everybody has to give his self some kind of intern Username on Discord.
Its possible to see the formerly known Username if going to your profile and hover over the sign next to your Username as you can see in the picture bellow.
I changed my one to .lafu



Because its some security thing i just wanted to let you all know that using Discord and are in the Bitcointalk Discord Channel.

The full Information and whats all about you can read here : https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/articles/12620128861463-New-Usernames-Display-Names#h_01GXPQAGG6W477HSC5SR053QG1

Because its the Topic for the Discord Channel of Bitcointalk i just wanted to let you know about it if you dont have knowen it already.

You have plenty of time to invent a better way of fair voting for next year Pizza contest.
Good luck  

I think making voting available only for older discord accounts verified with phones numbers could reduce cheating like this, but it won't eliminate it like this.
Voting with brand new account should not be allowed at all.

I have been aware of all drama going on with the pizza contest and to some extent, I am not surprise as rigging is actually now a fix act on most human habit but with that being said I still support for us to just patiently wait for Cyrus to upload the official result since their is actually nothing we can do about the voting system so instead of deliberating now, we should just all take a chill pill and just booze off as the main purpose of this competition was actually just to enjoy the spirit of the bitcoin first pizza purchase.

Thanks for your kind message, I really appreciate it! 

As I said before, let's end this contest officially and then we can start talking about these much needed changes because this system clearly doesn't work. I still don't get the point of having a BTCtalk Discord server when we already have the forum, and as you pointed out is very easy to manipulate the results on Discord. I understand this competition is supposed to be fun (and it is) but if we also want to keep a minimum of credibility then we should stick to the forum. I have some ideas about the rules, nothing complicated.

Voting has been controversial and abused with brand new Discord accounts right from the first pizza bakeoff 3 years ago.


I haven't followed this year's competition much as I was on the road but was it the case yet again, that vote of those who joined Discord server after this event started also counted? I am asking because in the first contest we had exactly the same issue and it was said that for the 2nd contest you will have to be a member of bitcointalk Discord server prior to start of the contest in order for your vote to count. Then again, its easy to manipulate that rule as well as someone might park bunch of his alt accounts months before contest even starts but at least it might prevent the most obvious voting abuse.  

I've been mostly ignoring this (I don't mess with Discord), so take my observations with a big ol' pinch of salt, but those results seem... odd.

Ale88 has way too few votes (when I saw his entry, I thought: "Okay, well, that's the winner right there!").

To me (I know this is very subjective), the below ordering (i.e. first, second, and third place, according to the quoted votes) is ass-backwards.

mendace (74 votes, click through for other images):



fillippone (72 votes, click through for other images):



Ale88 (26 votes, click through for other images):



My thoughts:

You don't have to be a detective to see that a large number of people who voted for this year's winner created their discord accounts on the same day (June 10) that happens to be the last day of the voting and all these people have very similar generic cartoon avatars.

Anyway, congratulations to all who made it into the top 10. All your pizzas look yummy.

It seems to me that if it is difficult to figure out if the vote (or the voting) was sufficiently fair, and if there is an intention that forum members vote, then it could be a good idea to re-do the vote - and to do it on this forum and connected such vote to user ids.. but yeah whatever..  

Based on Cyrus's earlier description of the rationale of the discord, I do understand the idea of trying to promote and wanting to have another way that forum members can communicate..and wanting to promote that other way of communicating.. and provide incentives to use that other communication channel... so having the vote finalized in the discord might be the preferred way for this particular contest.. it's kind of a discretionary thing regarding the specifics in how to conduct this kind of a contest and not as many people would want to participate in a contest that is not fair.. even if such contest had been meant to have some funzie objectives, as well.

Maybe in the future Nostr.. ?  

This competition was not perfect but I believe next year's event will be better. There might be some flaws in the voting proceeds but without evidence, they remain mere speculation. Maybe the monetary benefit spurred some participants to go the extra mile of manipulating the votes. It could be that people also did some publicity and campaign encouraging people to vote for them. But one thing I am sure of is that we had a great time in this pizza competition. They might try to exploit the loopholes but they cannot stop me from having fun and smiling at some pizzas. I got 8 votes and didn't make it to the top 10 but I am proud of myself. See you guys at the 2024 Bitcoin Pizza bake-off contest.

Let's wait for this contest to officially end and then we can discuss about the rules, I see that pretty much we all agree that several things must be changed and the contest should be held only on the forum, not on Discord.

A lot of controversies have surrounded this year's bake-off contest. Cyrus should now think of options to conduct the voting within the forum. If not then find a way to stop those fake IDs suddenly joining the discord server in the future. If possible do find those who suddenly joined the discord server after entries were closed as a lot of votes I think are manipulated. Please be fair and clear for this year's contest as a few names in the top 10 list are questioning.