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Topic: Bitcointalk trolls, dysfunction and all out flame wars. Guide to the scandals. - page 2. (Read 2694 times)

legendary
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You don't appear to be neutral picking and choosing which drama threads to add. The thread is distinctively lacking in threads critical of Vod even though he is probably long term the biggest source of drama from any single user on the forum. Of course you have no problem complying with his requests to add threads to bring attention to threads he wants attention on.

You can always start your own competing list of drama threads and list whatever you want.

Unless you're trying to stir some "TECSHARE vs xtraelv" drama here, in which case you've got ways to go.

Sure, but he is making claims that he is being neutral with what he adds, it seems rather that he is selectively adding them. If he wants to pick sides that's fine, just stop pretending to be neutral.

There is no intent to include every drama or even a complete analysis of every drama.

If I write more about certain people I will be accused of giving them more "airtime" - If I write less I will be accused of selectively adding people.

TECSHARE you are not really in a neutral position to judge what is neurtal.

Something that is "written from a neutral perspective" cannot ever be completely neutral . I'm also not an expert on anthropology.

The intent of this thread is to provide people who are not familiar with the forum dramas a small glimpse or insight of what the drama is about.

It is up to the reader to investigate further if the want to know more detail. I believe I have included most prominent disputes.

legendary
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You don't appear to be neutral picking and choosing which drama threads to add. The thread is distinctively lacking in threads critical of Vod even though he is probably long term the biggest source of drama from any single user on the forum. Of course you have no problem complying with his requests to add threads to bring attention to threads he wants attention on.

You can always start your own competing list of drama threads and list whatever you want.

Unless you're trying to stir some "TECSHARE vs xtraelv" drama here, in which case you've got ways to go.

Sure, but he is making claims that he is being neutral with what he adds, it seems rather that he is selectively adding them. If he wants to pick sides that's fine, just stop pretending to be neutral.
legendary
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You don't appear to be neutral picking and choosing which drama threads to add. The thread is distinctively lacking in threads critical of Vod even though he is probably long term the biggest source of drama from any single user on the forum. Of course you have no problem complying with his requests to add threads to bring attention to threads he wants attention on.

You can always start your own competing list of drama threads and list whatever you want.

Unless you're trying to stir some "TECSHARE vs xtraelv" drama here, in which case you've got ways to go.
legendary
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So many drama threads to read... Hmmm thanks buddy, although this was posted a long time ago, but sorry I have missed it, this will indeed kill my time and help me ease my boredom during this lockdown. LOL.


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I think you should also make a request too ✌😂 come on, let us have some more.


I already did, but I guess 5 years of drama doesn't qualify.


Xtraelv, can you add "VOD should be removed from default trust for systematic abuse of his position" to the list please? Considering his abuse documented in this thread spans 5 years, this seems like a worthy inclusion. Thanks!
legendary
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So many drama threads to read... Hmmm thanks buddy, although this was posted a long time ago, but sorry I have missed it, this will indeed kill my time and help me ease my boredom during this lockdown. LOL.


...
I think you should also make a request too ✌😂 come on, let us have some more.
legendary
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Where is the theymos vs. Lauda ordeal from 2019? That was semi-private but still quite the scandal. Tongue

I've included that now. Theymos v Lauda

I've also included the Russian dispute.

I try to be neutral with the topic regardless of my personal opinion. But if you feel that it misrepresents what happened. Please let me know.

You don't appear to be neutral picking and choosing which drama threads to add. The thread is distinctively lacking in threads critical of Vod even though he is probably long term the biggest source of drama from any single user on the forum. Of course you have no problem complying with his requests to add threads to bring attention to threads he wants attention on.
member
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When you knew he was going to default, you decided to create an insurance fund and forced everyone to accept that instead of coin you got back from pirate.  That is where you scammed everyone, by pretending you never received any coin.

I didn’t know he was going to default. I knew what everyone else knew and you are a piece of shit to pretend otherwise.

“What everybody else” knew straight from the first day:

Post #2 in pirateat40’s original announcement thread:
Merited by nullius (1)
Smells like a classical HYIP scam.

Promoting Pirate’s Ponzi, and especially basing other investment instruments on it, showed at best extremely poor judgment at the level of at best gross negligence.  I say that, making for the purposes of this post all the most favourable assumptions about you (and ignoring everything else discussed in years of other threads).  Anybody with even an ounce of common sense could have seen that something looked wrong here:

Original topic title: Looking for lenders
Original text, quoted here and elsewhere:
The Business:
Over the last few months I have been selling BTC to a group of local people.  Now this is a don't ask don't tell group of people so I can't tell you exactly where and to whom the coins ultimately end up with but so far its been pretty painless.   During this last week I maxed out my available coins both personally and "leased" from other members and they needed a lot more.  Up until now, I have dealt with my core group of friends and been able to handle the requests, but they seem to be getting larger and more frequent.  So now I'm looking into other methods for keeping a consistent storage or on-demand availability of coins.  I have two plans available for those sitting on coins.

On-Demand
When an order comes in that is over what I have available I'll send out a request to users in this plan requesting the total needed.  The first to respond gets the deal and the transfer is made.  These coins will be tide up for 1 business day to give me enough time to settle the transaction and acquire the coins to return. This plan pays a flat 3.5%.

Storage
This plan works as an ongoing commitment.  You would send coins anytime to the address provided and you would earn interest on a daily basis.  You can withdraw your balance at anytime, but I do request that you give me a couple hours to insure I have coverage for the next order.  Interest payments are paid out ever 3 days until either you withdraw the funds or my local dealings dry up and I can no longer be profitable. This plan pays 1% per day.

Now I would hope to have enough people on the storage plan that I wouldn't have a need for the on-demand but I'll see how it goes.  I ultimately want the ability to provide coins at anytime and any amount for these guys and we can all share in the profits.

I've created my own custom management software that I've built to monitor deposits, withdraws and interest payments.  As this gets bigger I'll build a front end for it so users can view and manage there account and maybe putting that domain btclending.com to good use.  

For more information send me a PM or just ask below.  You can check out my OTC ratings in my signature.

Edit: I forgot to mention that dealing with anything less than 50BTC is more work than its worth so I've made that the minimum on both plans.

Thanks

In substantial effect, pirateat40 was essentially claiming to have an extraordinarily large opportunity for arbitrage between the market he was making for his alleged shadowy clientele, and other markets.  If I had such an unusual opportunity, I can think of all sorts of ways to handle it.  They do not include seeking “lenders” on an Internet forum with upfront promises of a return of “1% per day”.  None of it made sense, except as a just-so story for pumping a scam.

I need not remark on what types of persons would hypothetically pay such a high price for Bitcoin on a regular basis, and could afford to keep doing so—and what the potential implications of that may be, if pirate’s story had been anything other than cover for his scam.

And I say that as somebody who took about a 30% hit on his very first Bitcoin purchases (not upfront—a repeated string of market losses), due to wanting absolutely anonymous Bitcoin just on principle!

So as for “what everyone else knew”.  Nobody had any excuse for being surprised, when it turned out to be “the largest scam in bitcoin history”.

OP here:
Pirateat40 (Trendon Shavers)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/history-bitcoin-savings-and-trust-and-pirateat40-on-bitcointalk-ponzi-4464504
Bitcoin Savings and Trust and Pirateat40 on Bitcointalk (PONZI)
More that 146,000 bitcoins were collected.


Strange how this thread leads to lauda being lauded as a brilliant secret agent and OG is now a scammer and liar?
Hmmm

How about real flame wars where huge and important things took place not just idiots arguing over nothing?


OG should take time to evaluate nullius excuses for his friend laudas lying and scamming by claiming he was on the launch of darkcoin and therefore could say there was no premine. When multiple members called it from the start and it was clearly confirmed by many that examined the released code and block explorer. Confirmed agsin with dev team offering compensation air drop after serious criticism lauda tried to stop and resist. Lauda for months (while he had bags of that coin) shouted down those telling the truth of the premine. Lying he was on the launch and saying he could ceryainly say there was no premine.

Nullius is there excusing lauda or trying to saying that once lauda dumped his bags and admitted it was a premined scam ? Nullius says well lauda just changed his mind lol


https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/lauda-scammer-extortionist-nullius-twat-double-standards-cheater-5231720

LOL what a double standards filthy wretch and moron nullius is. He thinks lauda is female so is sniffing around hoping for some mercy shag or something diry old perv. Did he not get caught out going after young females on this forum before?

So there was clear evidence of premine and undeniable proof that it happened but lauda can lie and say he was on the launch so can say there was no premine to unload his bags?
Somehow though nullius wants OG held to far higher standards?? Og had no irrefutable evidence and told no lies but should have known better so should be punished now ?  

Using this thread to paint one side white and drag OG through the mud on a different set of standards is bogus.
legendary
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Terminated.
Where is the theymos vs. Lauda ordeal from 2019? That was semi-private but still quite the scandal. Tongue

I've included that now. Theymos v Lauda

I've also included the Russian dispute.

I try to be neutral with the topic regardless of my personal opinion. But if you feel that it misrepresents what happened. Please let me know.
Your description seems right and including both PMs was the correct way to do it. Thank you!
legendary
Activity: 1288
Merit: 1926
฿ear ride on the rainbow slide
Where is the theymos vs. Lauda ordeal from 2019? That was semi-private but still quite the scandal. Tongue

I've included that now. Theymos v Lauda

I've also included the Russian dispute.

I try to be neutral with the topic regardless of my personal opinion. But if you feel that it misrepresents what happened. Please let me know.
copper member
Activity: 630
Merit: 2614
If you don’t do PGP, you don’t do crypto!
When you knew he was going to default, you decided to create an insurance fund and forced everyone to accept that instead of coin you got back from pirate.  That is where you scammed everyone, by pretending you never received any coin.

I didn’t know he was going to default. I knew what everyone else knew and you are a piece of shit to pretend otherwise.

“What everybody else” knew straight from the first day:

Post #2 in pirateat40’s original announcement thread:
Merited by nullius (1)
Smells like a classical HYIP scam.

Promoting Pirate’s Ponzi, and especially basing other investment instruments on it, showed at best extremely poor judgment at the level of at best gross negligence.  I say that, making for the purposes of this post all the most favourable assumptions about you (and ignoring everything else discussed in years of other threads).  Anybody with even an ounce of common sense could have seen that something looked wrong here:

Original topic title: Looking for lenders
Original text, quoted here and elsewhere:
The Business:
Over the last few months I have been selling BTC to a group of local people.  Now this is a don't ask don't tell group of people so I can't tell you exactly where and to whom the coins ultimately end up with but so far its been pretty painless.   During this last week I maxed out my available coins both personally and "leased" from other members and they needed a lot more.  Up until now, I have dealt with my core group of friends and been able to handle the requests, but they seem to be getting larger and more frequent.  So now I'm looking into other methods for keeping a consistent storage or on-demand availability of coins.  I have two plans available for those sitting on coins.

On-Demand
When an order comes in that is over what I have available I'll send out a request to users in this plan requesting the total needed.  The first to respond gets the deal and the transfer is made.  These coins will be tide up for 1 business day to give me enough time to settle the transaction and acquire the coins to return. This plan pays a flat 3.5%.

Storage
This plan works as an ongoing commitment.  You would send coins anytime to the address provided and you would earn interest on a daily basis.  You can withdraw your balance at anytime, but I do request that you give me a couple hours to insure I have coverage for the next order.  Interest payments are paid out ever 3 days until either you withdraw the funds or my local dealings dry up and I can no longer be profitable. This plan pays 1% per day.

Now I would hope to have enough people on the storage plan that I wouldn't have a need for the on-demand but I'll see how it goes.  I ultimately want the ability to provide coins at anytime and any amount for these guys and we can all share in the profits.

I've created my own custom management software that I've built to monitor deposits, withdraws and interest payments.  As this gets bigger I'll build a front end for it so users can view and manage there account and maybe putting that domain btclending.com to good use.  

For more information send me a PM or just ask below.  You can check out my OTC ratings in my signature.

Edit: I forgot to mention that dealing with anything less than 50BTC is more work than its worth so I've made that the minimum on both plans.

Thanks

In substantial effect, pirateat40 was essentially claiming to have an extraordinarily large opportunity for arbitrage between the market he was making for his alleged shadowy clientele, and other markets.  If I had such an unusual opportunity, I can think of all sorts of ways to handle it.  They do not include seeking “lenders” on an Internet forum with upfront promises of a return of “1% per day”.  None of it made sense, except as a just-so story for pumping a scam.

I need not remark on what types of persons would hypothetically pay such a high price for Bitcoin on a regular basis, and could afford to keep doing so—and what the potential implications of that may be, if pirate’s story had been anything other than cover for his scam.

And I say that as somebody who took about a 30% hit on his very first Bitcoin purchases (not upfront—a repeated string of market losses), due to wanting absolutely anonymous Bitcoin just on principle!

So as for “what everyone else knew”.  Nobody had any excuse for being surprised, when it turned out to be “the largest scam in bitcoin history”.

OP here:
Pirateat40 (Trendon Shavers)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/history-bitcoin-savings-and-trust-and-pirateat40-on-bitcointalk-ponzi-4464504
Bitcoin Savings and Trust and Pirateat40 on Bitcointalk (PONZI)
More that 146,000 bitcoins were collected.
donator
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The insurance fund only grew until it was paid out.

^ Cut through the deflection and we have this one statement.   What does that have to do with what I posted?

When you knew he was going to default, you decided to create an insurance fund and forced everyone to accept that instead of coin you got back from pirate.  That is where you scammed everyone, by pretending you never received any coin.

Quote from: signature link - good read!
Unlike previous months no details on total invested or paid out are shared.
Reserve fund = ~BTC65, investments = ~BTC2,000.

Moving discussion since this is a scandal summary thread.

I didn’t know he was going to default. I knew what everyone else knew and you are a piece of shit to pretend otherwise. You make up numbers with no knowledge of what occurred and spread it like a disease on this community. Unfortunately, unlike your friends and family, this community can’t just abandon you to your own miserable life. We have to put up with your bullshit and lies until you grace us with your departure.
legendary
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Maybe time to lock this thread for a bit?   xtraelv is maintaining a list of drama, not another thread for it. 

[starts drama]
[immediately blames me for starting drama]
copper member
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If you don’t do PGP, you don’t do crypto!
Where is the theymos vs. Lauda ordeal from 2019? That was semi-private but still quite the scandal. Tongue

What about that time you stole a bunch of coins from the people you were serving as escrow for? That was a pretty big deal.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/lauda-minerjones-blazed-missing-escrow-funds-4895354

Accusation is the exact opposite of the truth:  Extremely dishonest.

Here is what happened:

  • ICOs are bad.  I have always said so, to the point of having a reputation for saying so.

    CoinNullius is a military-grade cryptocurrency with 100% anonymity consisting of just one coin cuz there's nothing else like it. Its blockchain is secretly hidden on the Net accessible by ONLY one person in the galaxy whose true identity is unknown. There will be no ICO in distributing fractions of CNUS cuz ICOs are bad, mmmkay.

    I have an easier solution:  Don’t ever do “KYC”.  Avoid anything and everything which requires it. [...]

    Oh—you said “ICO”.  Well, those are scams which should be avoided, regardless.

    Paint Bitcoin with guilt-by-association in the media—how often do you see “Bitcoin” and “ICO” mentioned in the same breath, discussed in the same article, when they are not even remotely related?
  • This one used escrow.  Thank escrow that investors got back approximately 55% of their money, in accord with the upfront escrow terms.  That figure would almost certainly have been exactly 0% without escrow.   Nobody said this in mid-2018, and “nobody” was not here to say the obvious.
  • Over a relatively short period of time from start to finish, too short for 2017–18-era dollar inflation to make a significant difference in this context, investors actually recovered a higher dollar value than they put in.  Sure, they lost about 45% of their BTC; but in purchase-power terms, thanks to, thanks only to the protection of escrow, investors actually came out slightly better than break-even on that horrible clusterfork of a horrid ICO.  Thank you, escrow.
  • For escrow, it was a nightmare worst-case scenario:  One party, the ICOers, spectacularly imploding in incompetence and mutual recriminations within the dev team, plus executive theft of the internal database, etc.  The other party, the investors, understandably being... extremely concerned.  Four-figure BTC on the line.  Forum politicians and garden-variety trolls with ulterior motives taking an opportunity to grind an axe against Lauda—specifically Lauda, even though there were four persons doing this huge escrow together.

    This is the case in which escrow discovers that they inadvertently agreed to handle radioactive, biohazardous toxic waste. 😿

    Escrow handled it with military precision, brushed aside distractions, and worked hard to untangle the mess so as to get investors as much money back ASAP as there was remaining, per upfront escrow terms.

I hope that investors learned to listen to Nullius about ICOs.

I also hope that somebody said, Thank you, Lauda.  (—and minerjones, and Blazed, and coinpayments; but it was Lauda who got picked on and is getting picked on here, so I will pick on her, too.)

Escrow did their job; and it is reprehensible for anybody to blame escrow, the neutral third party who provided the protection that they had promised, instead of the people who pitched an ICO with grandiose promises, took a huge chunk of the money at the milestones agreed to in advance, and then promptly delivered nothing but yet another wretched ICO-meltdown drama.


“One is punished best for one’s virtues.”
— Nietzsche, Beyond Good and Evil, Aphorism 132

- Virtue was the edit distance between your name and "Lauda". Wink


What, did the anti-Lauda crowd expect for Lauda to use witchcraft to return 100%, or even 1000% of the money to investors?

As I was initiated into a cryptic cult with rites of the goddess Hecate, the renowned paranormal researcher William Blake caught this photograph of Lauda shapeshifted to the form of a flying catbat:

Photo of LAUDA as a FLYING CATBAT
The witch LAUDA
Identified Flying Object (IFO)
(Better than a UFO.  Much better than an ICO.)


It resolved itself, unless you want me to cast a couple of spells.

[1] Though I wonder why the attempt at burning me on a stake (by certain individuals),



Amazingly, the NVO thread is still ongoing—and nemgun is still trying to rationalize this (!):



Boldface added:
not my opinion. If you say you will do something and take peoples money to do it, but it ends up being a coke fueled nonsense party with NOTHING to show for the creditors except 50% of their money back. THAT is a scam. Over the course of NVO you burnt through nearly 10 million dollars WITH NOTHING TO SHOW FOR IT. That is the definition of scam.

Thank god for Lauda, and the escrow system on bitcointalk. If that didn't exist it would be even more of a scam. You all should be ashamed of your actions. It is obvious your theft left you with little life satisfaction and happiness, so it was all for nothing.

The 2017 craziness in the market was created because we all fell in love with crypto and the possibilities, but you and TON and whats his face did your part to ruin the possibilities and the optimism. All the ICO's did. I don't know what kind of weird shit you guys are in or strange people you hang out with, but I would trade no amount of money to live in your heads. Or your lives. Hungry ghosts.

Everyone gets what they deserve. If only for being human. Harm gets you harm. Good gets you good. What do you think you deserve?

Shame on you.

Wow.  Somebody did thank (god for) Lauda and the other escrows.  I am now a tiny bit less cynical than I was a few minutes ago.
legendary
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Where is the theymos vs. Lauda ordeal from 2019? That was semi-private but still quite the scandal. Tongue
What about that time you stole a bunch of coins from the people you were serving as escrow for? That was a pretty big deal.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/lauda-minerjones-blazed-missing-escrow-funds-4895354
[img  width=350]https://i.imgur.com/xxr2ZPi.png[/img]

Troll elsewhere with lies.

OK COOMER



Thanks for more evidence of your sad attempts to shield yourself with a manufactured persona by pretending you are down with chanculture. The OK BOOMER meme is totally mainstream now, and everyone knows baby Yoda is for normies. As far as your theft, the thread speaks for itself.
member
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Where is the theymos vs. Lauda ordeal from 2019? That was semi-private but still quite the scandal. Tongue
What about that time you stole a bunch of coins from the people you were serving as escrow for? That was a pretty big deal.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/lauda-minerjones-blazed-missing-escrow-funds-4895354


Troll elsewhere with lies.

Only one irrefutable liar here ....that is you lauda

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/lauda-scammer-extortionist-nullius-twat-double-standards-cheater-5231720

As to flaming wars full of trolls and scammers the dirty turds thread created by very useful member is clearly  the largest and best. The entire list of documented scammers on dt and their supporters arguments and excuses crushed by just one member.

This xrtraelv was clearly demonstrated to be a keen troll and pathetic excuse provider and supporter of scammers.
Then went crying to red trust for being humiliated and his feeble ever changing excuses smashed one by one.

Who would trust that scammer supporter to compile a list of anything? Well apart from scammers and scammer supporters they would certainly trust him.

Start reading here

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.53001936

What a thrashing the scammer supporting troll xtraelv took there.
Far surpassing SS thrashing when he tried to defend the scamming of lauda and had to resort to changing the meaning of words to their opposite in the very same thread. Suffering from extract of lemon syndrome perhaps the time.

Still there is strong case for the op to be king of his own dyslexia dysfunction troll thread. I would support his claim to fame.

Actually many funny flame wars i shall post here. Great thread.


legendary
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Where is the theymos vs. Lauda ordeal from 2019? That was semi-private but still quite the scandal. Tongue
What about that time you stole a bunch of coins from the people you were serving as escrow for? That was a pretty big deal.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/lauda-minerjones-blazed-missing-escrow-funds-4895354


Troll elsewhere with lies.
legendary
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Where is the theymos vs. Lauda ordeal from 2019? That was semi-private but still quite the scandal. Tongue

What about that time you stole a bunch of coins from the people you were serving as escrow for? That was a pretty big deal.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/lauda-minerjones-blazed-missing-escrow-funds-4895354
Vod
legendary
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Licking my boob since 1970
Where is the theymos vs. Lauda ordeal from 2019? That was semi-private but still quite the scandal. Tongue

He also didn't provide a link for OG vs Lauda in my signature.  Sad
legendary
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Where is the theymos vs. Lauda ordeal from 2019? That was semi-private but still quite the scandal. Tongue
Vod
legendary
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Licking my boob since 1970
Xtraelv, can you add "VOD should be removed from default trust for systematic abuse of his position" to the list please? Considering his abuse documented in this thread spans 5 years, this seems like a worthy inclusion. Thanks!

But then we'd also have to list the hundreds of threads where you drink and start posting insults for no reason - for almost ten years now.  :/

Honestly, do you have Tourette's?
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