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Topic: ◈◈Bitcredit ◈◈ Migrating to UniQredit◈◈ - page 99. (Read 284526 times)

legendary
Activity: 1246
Merit: 1005
By my crude estimation, if the 6 million reserve BCR remain unburned and unbacked - worst case scenario IMO - and if BCR is on average bid for at only half the current market price, if the backing thus acquired only lends 20% of its actual value to the market price, it will take appx. 1 year for the Assured Minimum Value of BCR to match the market price it started at. After this, the AMV starts to exceed the starting market price rather rapidly. Holds true whatever the initial starting price is.

eg, taking the current Bittrex bid price:
http://s8.postimg.org/3lmvbjkj9/bcr67.png

This is all pure conjecture, I'm just working from some simple initial conditions and extrapolating, and I'm using BTC as a yardstick because most people here have a feel for what BTC is 'worth' - I think we should be ditching most of the cryptofiat backing for something solid ASAP. Now more than ever world markets are volatile, the relative prices of anything could go any which way at short notice so even when some actual data is available to model from, long term price predictions are always going to be about as accurate as long term weather forecasts. Possibly slightly more  accurate than 'Technical Analysis' chart voodoo though, which to me seems like driving your car forwards while staring only into the rear view mirror and believing that the past is telling you what's in the road ahead.

One thing is certain though, for backing to happen we're going to have to attract buyers.

I'm doubtful we'll convince many miners to just buy BCR instead of wasting electricity to acquire it. Miners are mostly just geeks hoping to get free shit. I suspect few miners are interested in actual investment rather than raw speculation or instadumping via BTC into fiat to buy more of whatever it is that they smoke that convinces them that what they're doing is a sensible use of their time and energy.

Back to the attracting buyers bit... as bitcreditscc said a little while ago we're going to need outreach. I've done sales work and I hated it too, but we can learn from what other cryptocurrencies have done and avoid their mistakes. Sadly I don't think there are many successes to emulate, unless one counts the likes of the Ethereum, fools and their money etc.

Top of my personal list of things to avoid is spending much - or any - money or effort within the crypto scene, it's filthy with dogma and broken thinking, and most of 'em are completely broke from all that pre-obsolete mining hardware, the electricity bills, and playing suicidal daytrader against whales and bots on the obviously crooked (all of them) exchanges.

It's difficult to know where to direct efforts though without an idea of what the community sees as the longer term purpose of BCR. Before the bidding/backing thing got underway I think there was plenty of scope in the original vision of a p2p banking and financial services platform. When the backing system is fully running I hope bitcreditscc continues to develop that aspect of things, it's a big market.

There are just so many ways that BCR could flourish, I'd be interested to hear what others see ahead, or would like to see in BCR - not short term technical stuff like wallets crashing on platform X, that stuff will get ironed out, but the bigger picture.

Just ruminating here, and thought I'd post some more asset backing porn as the BCR price seems to have risen somewhat since I last did so.  Grin

If this post has left any cryptognats unoffended, please tell me so I can include you in my sweeping and unflattering characterisations next time, I wouldn't want anyone to feel left out.  Cheesy




I don't think you can skip the crypto crowd as target # one, the idealists or long term holders or smart thinkers or whatever is best suited for the bcr vision will stick but since this is crypto's ground zero, your only option is to filter us out and use community power then to help spread the word - in parallel with outside efforts by bitcreditscc or you or anyone else of course. Miners and everyone else here is into making money, big farms will stick with the three top algos creating waves of shitcoins to support themselves but smaller miners could easily see the BCR opportunity, the model is very close to being passive income and that is hard to pass. People will trade it but they will have to adjust their ways since it will now have true asset backing with decentralized control of it, for good or bad, a democracy as I understand it.
legendary
Activity: 966
Merit: 1000
ok, so we have two oprions, let the chain continue as is and issue an update that fixes things in a day or two or else halt the chain hard fork @ 202499 and proceed.

I'm all for the first option i';d like to start maintaining a policy of updates on the run, instead of halting. The update is going to do the following

1) Place checks against blocks to ensure that BN payments and Payouts are made
2) Activate IX
3) Ensure BN only mining (you can use a pool BN to mine if the owner is willing to share his key with you)
4) (Maybe) institute block # limits on BNs (this will result in 3 being invalidated and make the chain solo mining only

Anything that avoids BN owners stuffing their BN boxes with $500 GPUs.
legendary
Activity: 1246
Merit: 1005
I'd like to send a btc bid.. just need confirmation.................. green light? go go go?
hero member
Activity: 602
Merit: 501
Offered for consideration and suggestions:


It's not functionally hooked up yet but that shouldn't be too hard, the bid amounts I can get straight out of the bidtracker directory files, the addresses will be hotlinks to the appropriate block explorers, the 'Bid with' buttons will open up bitcoin-qt etc. if present. The Import button will need me to figure out some stuff, but hey it would be no fun if it was easy.



That's a great start, you are already on the right track. Quick update though....we are going to be updating bids based on time now, i have decided to make it a running thread. Bids will be updated every 15 minutes, the payout remains unchanged @ 900 blocks for now.

More refinements to come.

legendary
Activity: 966
Merit: 1000
Offered for consideration and suggestions:


It's not functionally hooked up yet but that shouldn't be too hard, the bid amounts I can get straight out of the bidtracker directory files, the addresses will be hotlinks to the appropriate block explorers, the 'Bid with' buttons will open up bitcoin-qt etc. (with payment address set) if present. The Import button will need me to figure out some stuff, but hey it would be no fun if it was easy.

Layout needs a bit more fine tuning, but is there anything I've missed that should be there, or anything there that doesn't need to be?

hero member
Activity: 602
Merit: 501
Proportional chunk is great, I thought it's highest bidder wins but I haven't been paying to close attention. How does the payout base the proportion of differently priced btc, dash, ltc?
LTC and DASH are converted to their BTC value and it gets calculated from there.

Is there anything special needed to bid aside from pay those addresses? If there isn't a bid writeup can someone provide or link?
As a side note on those addresses..
BTC .001
Ltc .0299
Dash .31
Seems like a steal :p
I'm just sending some test bids, I'm unclear yet on the exact redemption process but when I've seen how the whole thing works I'll be working on in-wallet GUI streamlining of things.



Basics

When you send a bid, the bid tracker does a look up of the address you sent from, and then allocates the coins to that address converted to BCR address format.

So , when you want to redeem, you simply import the privkey of the address you used to send, and your coins should be there.

Minimum bids should be equivalent to 0.001 (going to make this mandatory and ignore all smaller bids as they f** up calculations) Coinbase tx is very finnicky and should be exact or getblocktemplate will fail.


Maybe this has been discussed, what happens if I'm dumb and send from exchange or anywhere I don't control the privkey. Most people don't run full nodes and spv keys are different than full privkeys. How much would it suck to change it to just have the bitcredits client generate a receiving address based on coin type either by a new address or building off a privkey you already use to recieve bitcredits. In this way no matter where you sent from you could be credited.
Possibly The setup currently of sending to 1 address to bid would have to be reworked for this to work.. or have the bitcredits client register personal addresses to recieve btc ltc dash. And create a workflow to bid from your balance that way inside the wallet.

Well the problem is consensus, if every node was producing it's own bidding address, it would be extremely difficult to get consensus unless we changed the bids from any amount you want (above the minimum), to a very specific sequence(s) which is far more prone to problems.

You are right about spv keys and i am working on a rpc method to convert any type of key into a standard BCR key.

You would not believe if you saw the full to-do list  Cheesy
My goodness I'm sure it's huge. Thanks for the info. And I'll have access to my desktop again tomorrow I've been away for weeks, will be able to do builds and run some mining to help either as a banknode cpu only or gpu as needed.

Great!! thanks, i appreciate all the help i can get.

While the list is dizzying...i find it inspiring, it means there is always room for improvement.
legendary
Activity: 1610
Merit: 1008
Forget-about-it
Proportional chunk is great, I thought it's highest bidder wins but I haven't been paying to close attention. How does the payout base the proportion of differently priced btc, dash, ltc?
LTC and DASH are converted to their BTC value and it gets calculated from there.

Is there anything special needed to bid aside from pay those addresses? If there isn't a bid writeup can someone provide or link?
As a side note on those addresses..
BTC .001
Ltc .0299
Dash .31
Seems like a steal :p
I'm just sending some test bids, I'm unclear yet on the exact redemption process but when I've seen how the whole thing works I'll be working on in-wallet GUI streamlining of things.



Basics

When you send a bid, the bid tracker does a look up of the address you sent from, and then allocates the coins to that address converted to BCR address format.

So , when you want to redeem, you simply import the privkey of the address you used to send, and your coins should be there.

Minimum bids should be equivalent to 0.001 (going to make this mandatory and ignore all smaller bids as they f** up calculations) Coinbase tx is very finnicky and should be exact or getblocktemplate will fail.


Maybe this has been discussed, what happens if I'm dumb and send from exchange or anywhere I don't control the privkey. Most people don't run full nodes and spv keys are different than full privkeys. How much would it suck to change it to just have the bitcredits client generate a receiving address based on coin type either by a new address or building off a privkey you already use to recieve bitcredits. In this way no matter where you sent from you could be credited.
Possibly The setup currently of sending to 1 address to bid would have to be reworked for this to work.. or have the bitcredits client register personal addresses to recieve btc ltc dash. And create a workflow to bid from your balance that way inside the wallet.

Well the problem is consensus, if every node was producing it's own bidding address, it would be extremely difficult to get consensus unless we changed the bids from any amount you want (above the minimum), to a very specific sequence(s) which is far more prone to problems.

You are right about spv keys and i am working on a rpc method to convert any type of key into a standard BCR key.

You would not believe if you saw the full to-do list  Cheesy
My goodness I'm sure it's huge. Thanks for the info. And I'll have access to my desktop again tomorrow I've been away for weeks, will be able to do builds and run some mining to help either as a banknode cpu only or gpu as needed.
hero member
Activity: 602
Merit: 501
Proportional chunk is great, I thought it's highest bidder wins but I haven't been paying to close attention. How does the payout base the proportion of differently priced btc, dash, ltc?
LTC and DASH are converted to their BTC value and it gets calculated from there.

Is there anything special needed to bid aside from pay those addresses? If there isn't a bid writeup can someone provide or link?
As a side note on those addresses..
BTC .001
Ltc .0299
Dash .31
Seems like a steal :p
I'm just sending some test bids, I'm unclear yet on the exact redemption process but when I've seen how the whole thing works I'll be working on in-wallet GUI streamlining of things.



Basics

When you send a bid, the bid tracker does a look up of the address you sent from, and then allocates the coins to that address converted to BCR address format.

So , when you want to redeem, you simply import the privkey of the address you used to send, and your coins should be there.

Minimum bids should be equivalent to 0.001 (going to make this mandatory and ignore all smaller bids as they f** up calculations) Coinbase tx is very finnicky and should be exact or getblocktemplate will fail.


Maybe this has been discussed, what happens if I'm dumb and send from exchange or anywhere I don't control the privkey. Most people don't run full nodes and spv keys are different than full privkeys. How much would it suck to change it to just have the bitcredits client generate a receiving address based on coin type either by a new address or building off a privkey you already use to recieve bitcredits. In this way no matter where you sent from you could be credited.
Possibly The setup currently of sending to 1 address to bid would have to be reworked for this to work.. or have the bitcredits client register personal addresses to recieve btc ltc dash. And create a workflow to bid from your balance that way inside the wallet.

Well the problem is consensus, if every node was producing it's own bidding address, it would be extremely difficult to get consensus unless we changed the bids from any amount you want (above the minimum), to a very specific sequence(s) which is far more prone to problems.

You are right about spv keys and i am working on a rpc method to convert any type of key into a standard BCR key.

You would not believe if you saw the full to-do list  Cheesy
hero member
Activity: 602
Merit: 501
When you send a bid, the bid tracker does a look up of the address you sent from, and then allocates the coins to that address converted to BCR address format.

So , when you want to redeem, you simply import the privkey of the address you used to send, and your coins should be there.

Not working for me, or I'm doing something wrong.

I unlocked my DASH wallet, ran 'dumpprivkey ', then unlocked my BCR wallet and ran 'importprivkey ' and got

Invalid private key encoding (code -5)



ok, likely i missed key conversion number, will look at that now. i'm already working off 0.30.17.1 now so ya'll can expect news in time.
legendary
Activity: 1610
Merit: 1008
Forget-about-it
Proportional chunk is great, I thought it's highest bidder wins but I haven't been paying to close attention. How does the payout base the proportion of differently priced btc, dash, ltc?
LTC and DASH are converted to their BTC value and it gets calculated from there.

Is there anything special needed to bid aside from pay those addresses? If there isn't a bid writeup can someone provide or link?
As a side note on those addresses..
BTC .001
Ltc .0299
Dash .31
Seems like a steal :p
I'm just sending some test bids, I'm unclear yet on the exact redemption process but when I've seen how the whole thing works I'll be working on in-wallet GUI streamlining of things.



Basics

When you send a bid, the bid tracker does a look up of the address you sent from, and then allocates the coins to that address converted to BCR address format.

So , when you want to redeem, you simply import the privkey of the address you used to send, and your coins should be there.

Minimum bids should be equivalent to 0.001 (going to make this mandatory and ignore all smaller bids as they f** up calculations) Coinbase tx is very finnicky and should be exact or getblocktemplate will fail.


Maybe this has been discussed, what happens if I'm dumb and send from exchange or anywhere I don't control the privkey. Most people don't run full nodes and spv keys are different than full privkeys. How much would it suck to change it to just have the bitcredits client generate a receiving address based on coin type either by a new address or building off a privkey you already use to recieve bitcredits. In this way no matter where you sent from you could be credited.
Possibly The setup currently of sending to 1 address to bid would have to be reworked for this to work.. or have the bitcredits client register personal addresses to recieve btc ltc dash. And create a workflow to bid from your balance that way inside the wallet.
legendary
Activity: 966
Merit: 1000
When you send a bid, the bid tracker does a look up of the address you sent from, and then allocates the coins to that address converted to BCR address format.

So , when you want to redeem, you simply import the privkey of the address you used to send, and your coins should be there.

Not working for me, or I'm doing something wrong.

I unlocked my DASH wallet, ran 'dumpprivkey ', then unlocked my BCR wallet and ran 'importprivkey ' and got

Invalid private key encoding (code -5)

hero member
Activity: 602
Merit: 501
ok, so we have two oprions, let the chain continue as is and issue an update that fixes things in a day or two or else halt the chain hard fork @ 202499 and proceed.

I'm all for the first option i';d like to start maintaining a policy of updates on the run, instead of halting. The update is going to do the following

1) Place checks against blocks to ensure that BN payments and Payouts are made
2) Activate IX
3) Ensure BN only mining (you can use a pool BN to mine if the owner is willing to share his key with you)
4) (Maybe) institute block # limits on BNs (this will result in 3 being invalidated and make the chain solo mining only
hero member
Activity: 602
Merit: 501
Proportional chunk is great, I thought it's highest bidder wins but I haven't been paying to close attention. How does the payout base the proportion of differently priced btc, dash, ltc?
LTC and DASH are converted to their BTC value and it gets calculated from there.

Is there anything special needed to bid aside from pay those addresses? If there isn't a bid writeup can someone provide or link?
As a side note on those addresses..
BTC .001
Ltc .0299
Dash .31
Seems like a steal :p
I'm just sending some test bids, I'm unclear yet on the exact redemption process but when I've seen how the whole thing works I'll be working on in-wallet GUI streamlining of things.



Basics

When you send a bid, the bid tracker does a look up of the address you sent from, and then allocates the coins to that address converted to BCR address format.

So , when you want to redeem, you simply import the privkey of the address you used to send, and your coins should be there.

Minimum bids should be equivalent to 0.001 (going to make this mandatory and ignore all smaller bids as they f** up calculations) Coinbase tx is very finnicky and should be exact or getblocktemplate will fail.

member
Activity: 89
Merit: 10
Supposed to run with "setgenerate true" on the banknode wallets?

legendary
Activity: 966
Merit: 1000
Proportional chunk is great, I thought it's highest bidder wins but I haven't been paying to close attention. How does the payout base the proportion of differently priced btc, dash, ltc?
LTC and DASH are converted to their BTC value and it gets calculated from there.

Is there anything special needed to bid aside from pay those addresses? If there isn't a bid writeup can someone provide or link?
As a side note on those addresses..
BTC .001
Ltc .0299
Dash .31
Seems like a steal :p
I'm just sending some test bids, I'm unclear yet on the exact redemption process but when I've seen how the whole thing works I'll be working on in-wallet GUI streamlining of things.

legendary
Activity: 1610
Merit: 1008
Forget-about-it
Are AMD or NVIDIA cards better for momentum algo?

I want to build a BCR rig...

Any suggestions welcome.

I was thinking this would crush it...  8gb of gddr5  http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202147

BCR is moving to low-wattage BN only mining to eliminate the kind of waste you are proposing!

Better to invest in or bid for some BCR instead and earn service rewards for running a Banknode, while also backing the currency. Smiley


Bidding addresses are as follows, bid as much or as little as you please, current bids may be found in the bidtracker directory, although they will soon be updated and shown in the wallet...

BTC: 16f5dJd4EHRrQwGGRMczA69qbJYs4msBQ5
LTC: Lc7ebfQPz6VJ8qmXYaaFxBYLpDz2XsDu7c
DASH: Xypcx2iE8rCtC3tjw5M8sxpRzn4JuoSaBH
(you can verify these addresses in bidtracker.cpp - https://github.com/bitcreditscc/bicreditsnew/blob/master/src/bidtracker.cpp)

You get a proportional chunk of the 30000 BCR minted each superblock, every 900 blocks (appx. once a day.)

For the cost of that GPU (never mind the running costs) you could own 6 or 7 Banknodes. Wink
Proportional chunk is great, I thought it's highest bidder wins but I haven't been paying to close attention. How does the payout base the proportion of differently priced btc, dash, ltc? Is there anything special needed to bid aside from pay those addresses? If there isn't a bid writeup can someone provide or link?
As a side note on those addresses..
BTC .001
Ltc .0299
Dash .31
Seems like a steal :p
legendary
Activity: 1274
Merit: 1000
Are AMD or NVIDIA cards better for momentum algo?

I want to build a BCR rig...

Any suggestions welcome.

I was thinking this would crush it...  8gb of gddr5  http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202147

BCR is moving to low-wattage BN only mining to eliminate the kind of waste you are proposing!

Better to invest in or bid for some BCR instead and earn service rewards for running a Banknode, while also backing the currency. Smiley


Bidding addresses are as follows, bid as much or as little as you please, current bids may be found in the bidtracker directory, although they will soon be updated and shown in the wallet...

BTC: 16f5dJd4EHRrQwGGRMczA69qbJYs4msBQ5
LTC: Lc7ebfQPz6VJ8qmXYaaFxBYLpDz2XsDu7c
DASH: Xypcx2iE8rCtC3tjw5M8sxpRzn4JuoSaBH
(you can verify these addresses in bidtracker.cpp - https://github.com/bitcreditscc/bicreditsnew/blob/master/src/bidtracker.cpp)

You get a proportional chunk of the 30000 BCR minted each superblock, every 900 blocks (appx. once a day.)

Good to see you crouton!  I was reading about this...  but didn't really understand until you explained it.

I used to have hundreds of thousands of BCR... but sent most of it to an address that I didn't have a private key for...

I've been buying back in slowly, will probably have a bank node up in a month or two.  Keep selling it cheap guys Cheesy

Hey, I'm a consumer...wasting is what I do
legendary
Activity: 966
Merit: 1000
Are AMD or NVIDIA cards better for momentum algo?

I want to build a BCR rig...

Any suggestions welcome.

I was thinking this would crush it...  8gb of gddr5  http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202147

BCR is moving to low-wattage BN only mining to eliminate the kind of waste you are proposing!

Better to invest in or bid for some BCR instead and earn service rewards for running a Banknode, while also backing the currency. Smiley


Bidding addresses are as follows, bid as much or as little as you please, current bids may be found in the bidtracker directory, although they will soon be updated and shown in the wallet...

BTC: 16f5dJd4EHRrQwGGRMczA69qbJYs4msBQ5
LTC: Lc7ebfQPz6VJ8qmXYaaFxBYLpDz2XsDu7c
DASH: Xypcx2iE8rCtC3tjw5M8sxpRzn4JuoSaBH
(you can verify these addresses in bidtracker.cpp - https://github.com/bitcreditscc/bicreditsnew/blob/master/src/bidtracker.cpp)

You get a proportional chunk of the 30000 BCR minted each superblock, every 900 blocks (appx. once a day.)

For the cost of that GPU (never mind the running costs) you could own 6 or 7 Banknodes. Wink
legendary
Activity: 1274
Merit: 1000
Are AMD or NVIDIA cards better for momentum algo?

I want to build a BCR rig...

Any suggestions welcome.

I was thinking this would crush it...  8gb of gddr5  http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202147
hero member
Activity: 602
Merit: 501
When's the next superblock? Chainz has the last one at 200700, but maybe that's beed forked off, was there one at 201600, and the next one at 202500?

I submitted another test bid earlier this afternoon ( http://explorer.dashpay.io/address/Xypcx2iE8rCtC3tjw5M8sxpRzn4JuoSaBH ) and right now there are no other new BTC/LTC bids so unless someone else ponies up I expect to get a big pile of BCR.  Grin

all your bids now appear in the bid file. i want to improve the code we are using there to avoid the errors hack jumped by catching. It has to be done using json to make things clean. it will do for now, but that's definitely high on the to-do list.

yes 202500 is the next payout block and that is why i am none too happy about sawa re-introducing a pool before we have verified that this part works. pool blocks are still accepted, but we may have to change this in order to bring everyone on to the same page.

if block 202500 does not payout properly, i will hard fork @ 202499 to ensure that it does and so do the next payout blocks. This is why i said the exchange should wait until we have everything in order.

For synchronization to be correct I made this config in bitcredit.conf:
Code:
rpcuser=(leave old)
...
port=(It's necessary to set any free port, but not 8877. The port number must be different from previous. It is for wallets with the wrong blockchain not connected to your wallet as they remember your previous IP and p2p port)
irc=0
connect=41.191.238.189
connect=82.211.1.181:8877
connect=91.230.123.101:8877
- connect, but not addnode. This method does not give the wallet to exchange nodes, it will only connect to the specified nodes.
Make a backup file of wallet.dat
Before starting a wallet from a directory with blockchain delete all files except bitcredit.conf and wallet.dat.
Run wallet and wait until the full synchronization will be finished.

Unless we can find someone to modify p2pool code to create payouts , then p2pool blocks will be invalid after next update.
Probably first you need to completely restore the blockchain, block explorer and exchanges.
And only then think about p2pool.
I am sure you will succeed.

Actually it's the other way round, it's pool, then block explorer and finally exchange.
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