Topic: BitDice Robbed Investors? CSNO lost 80% value (Read 3235 times)

I had no prompt or need to reply this thread or your post, except for this part, where I strongly disagree.

If the posts were nonsensical, another member would probably have intervened and BoXXoB wouldn't have answered most of it as he had. I am sure that the line of questioning will help both those who invested in the ICO have more insight as to what happened. Otherwise, they would have been in the dark and each one who finds this thread would have also been in the dark.

Despite the frustration, the intensity from my part (for reasons already stated) and the long time spent here, I am sure both investors and BoXXoB are glad to have every piece of information that BoXXoB could have provided, thanks to the posts that you call "nonsensical walls of text".

I only came to discover this thread recently, I cannot recall reading it or posting in it but after reading through what I would say to you is that I noticed that you have been a forum member since 2015 and you have a good reputation. You have been here long enough to know on that basis alone, you should never give any form of priority or importance to any member that does not have the decency to respect you. Always keep in mind you must be aware you are not compelled to answer questions when they are put to you in a manner that you find are provocative or distasteful. Use the ignore button, I do it frequently with members that deserve to be ignored.

In a nutshell, if I have understood the context (as well as some literal explanations) of your replies, you were/are not the first and will not be the last member that has been employed to work for a project that went on to effectively scam investors and customers.

By your own statements, you had no involvement with the team pre-ICO except for the bounty campaign and you became an employee after the ICO. As you had no involvement with the team beyond your remit in customer services you were never told where the funds were spent/siphoned therefore you cannot be accused of being part of the scam. Other than by posting walls upon walls of nonsensical text in post after post, if anybody can prove contrary to your claims of innocence they would have posted evidence by now.

There is nothing that anybody can say to negate the damage of financial loss incurred by ICO investors and customers. It must have been a painful experience watching their investment fall in value but having said that if you were not involved in scamming you should not be held to account. I am opposing the flag for obvious reasons. You have provided detailed explanations, more than I would ever have given therefore you should refrain from posting in this thread again until/unless serious accusations with evidence are posted to counter your explanations. Do not waste your time with pointless inquisitions of your character.

I will not be following this thread, I have used the unwatch link and I advise you to do the same.

I admit I've been rather frustrated about this situation.

What I was mostly frustrated about was that it seemed like a personal attack against me. My reputation is important to me. Knowing that I can't undo my involvement with BitDice is something I deeply regret in hindsight. I wish I had understood what was to come earlier but I was very overworked with just customer support the last years and I had little time for anything else other than that. That's why I've been insisting that I didn't have information other than the little I have given. The management very much treated me just as regular customer support.

I was very happy to see this response from you. Although I've not been happy to be accused, it's also important that scams are taken seriously so I understand your approach.

Well, all I can say at the moment, is that I actually have no more questions to ask you specifically. I think that (despite the frustration) you have provided reasonable answers, and with those answers and especially after the most recent posts and the blockchain information within, that you have (in my opinion) answered everything to the best of your ability.

I understand your frustration as no one likes being under the microscope, or giving answers, especially when they are not guilty. However, I did not come to the conclusion that you weren't possibly involved or have benefited from this case until now.

I think that if anyone wants to continue investigating from here, the posts will help them a lot more than if we had not gone back and forth. For now, I decide to just watch on unless something prompts me to look or talk again. It is unfortunate that you have been mixed up in this BoXXoB, and I thank you for your time answering the questions. While I am still not entirely sure of your involvement (as I find it hard to believe that you could not notice issues), I am on your side of the fence slightly more than not after your recent posts in conjunction with reconsidering your past posts following. I hope that you had no part in this and that I am right to step back for now.

They didn't immediately decide to exit. First they added precautions to avoid something like that in the future like ability for them to double-check large withdrawals. They seemed to continue business as usual after the incident which was odd to me.

This was the biggest loss I saw and probably one of the key factors. It was a dumb mistake on their part because there were never this large amounts in other hotwallets considering by how many withdrawals were not instant and I had to ask to fill hotwallets.


I don't know. I only ever saw the casino hotwallets, nothing related to ICO. The Ethereum wallet was the only one I was able to locate after all this time. The actual transactions made by investors in the ICO would help more figuring that out.


I don't think new management was fictional but I think they worked together for atleast sometime. I unfortunately was never kept in the loop so I lack the details here.

EDIT: My opinion is based on the fact that sometimes when there was a problem, the new management said they had to be in touch with old management (alex) to fix it. This was no longer the case in the end (unless they knowingly kept me in the dark about it).

I'm not making up my own definition of proof. You said you weren't helping with block chain information, I said that's proof that you're guilty. If you had of just went and gotten some information like what you posted, then I would not have made that comment.

I and anyone else here have the right to ask you as many questions as we like, as you, a bounty campaign manager that promoted an ICO that wound up being a massive scam, are obligated to providing information that could help anyone.

I am not delusional or obsessed. You are just not cooperative and get agitated every time you have to post here. You need to put that aside and cooperate when something is asked of you on this topic. That is the cost of what has happened and believe me, based on how much people have lost here, you're paying a very small cost in comparison to what some had lost.

I was never a part of the casino so I have no records like withdrawal history. All that I think is necessary are the blockchain links to validate the ICO proceeds so that the money can be followed...if it eventually touches an active wallet or an exchange wallet, then those who are victims can contact that exchange or watch for movements in the active wallet to grab something.

You need to stop complaining because despite your agitation, I think long-needed discovery is now happening now that you are back. You can't neglect your involvement with BitDice and if you want to walk away from it, you need to put whatever effort you can into helping discover the facts, what went wrong, where the funds went, etc. As there is no concrete information on this yet

But all of that aside....Let's work with what you provided.


So, "New Management" owned over 400 ETH, lost it to an exploit and then decided to exit? Please confirm that is what we are looking at here?

What about transaction information connected with the ICO? Was the hot wallet the same or were the tokens connected to these addresses?

There is something extremely important to note from the activity of the Ethereum hot wallet

https://etherscan.io/txs?a=0xa09dc0bbf43c649537a923a1f796d8d9eb03d1ac

The first transaction was in 2018 and the last transaction was in 2022.

This completely invalidates the "old management" and "new management" spiel. Unless you mean to tell me that this multi million dollar operation changed hands, and "new management" trusted "old management" enough to use the same hot wallet address despite the old management being able to have a backup of the private key to the hot wallet?

Sounds unlikely.

Based on this blockchan evidence, I believe that old management and new management are the same people or person.

I will be conducting more analysis later as it seems this con artist was not one who was vigilant about blockchain data. From the ethereum data just from this one address, we've made a large discovery...that "new and old" management shared a hot wallet shared the same private key.

TLDR for BoXXoB: Feel free to cool off while I look into things further. Thanks for the blockchain evidence. That so far validates that new and old management are most probably fictional. Do you have any comment on that?

You're making up your own definition of proof as you go.

I've already answered a bunch of your questions. You're showing no sign of respect for that, instead you're asking more and more questions and the situation still remains the same: you're convinced I'm to be blamed. I don't see that answering your questions gets us anywhere. You're still going to believe the same thing about me. Next it's going to be some other questions and if I don't give exactly the answer you want, you're going to say it's proof, again.

You're delusional and obsessed. If you want blockchain proof, track down investors and you might have an actual trail of the ICO funds. Or if you're able to find some BitDice withdrawal transactions. Chances are though, that investors have already gone through these paths.

I'm not going to undermine the privacy of my transactions for a self-proclaimed Bitcointalk detective. You have no right to expect that of me unless you provide proof that I've knowingly promoted/defended a scam. But you can't because I've not done so.

EDIT:

Here's something I can do if it by some miracle helps some actual investors. I doubt BenCodie does anything useful with the information. This is a hotwallet Ethereum address that BitDice used for withdrawals.

https://etherscan.io/address/0xa09dc0bbf43c649537a923a1f796d8d9eb03d1ac

As an added bonus, here is some proof that BitDice lost a lot of money to support my theory that they exit scammed after they had lost more money running the business than they can bear:

A player withdrew a lot of Ethereum from an exploit

https://etherscan.io/txs?a=0xa09dc0bbf43c649537a923a1f796d8d9eb03d1ac&p=31

For example a transaction of over 48 ETH

https://etherscan.io/tx/0x0b399c549c945ba17132e61dfc3f10a949c04faaf191eebedc694f2106f08cca

Those transactions were consolidated to this address and exchanged using 1inch

https://etherscan.io/address/0xe51f95c72e40005ecda8369eb444fe05a8305d55

In total the user exploited a bug in slots for over 400 ETH and other currencies totaling over 1 million USD. The management also made this public to investors after I convinced them that it was the right thing to do.

You promoted the ICO, people joined it because of you. If you think there's no responsibility on your part to at least share block chain transactions to help investigation then it is yourself who is delusional sir, not I.

You continued to lead investors on with false reassurances even though they should have been having doubt about the company. At that point in time when "old" or "new" management were around, more action could have been taken for them to go on the offence, instead of them being left with nothing to work with but a blank screen on the bitdice website.

The fact that you are not willing to cooperate with blockchain information and have resorted to calling me delusional is enough proof to show that you have something to hide or you are still defending bitdice over victims. You've played the victim the entire time and while other high ranking on watchers might be buying the act, I am not. You have a level of responsibility to help the community and the victims, you've done absolutely nothing to help them to date. All you have done is say everything that you can to evade blame and to evade having to cooperate against bitdice.



You're not giving me information, you're giving the victims information. I have nothing to gain here with this information except seeing a huge unresolved scam make progress in its investigation.

But sure, we can let the record show that you refuse to cooperate in order to help victims. That's exactly what I had expected from the moment I mentioned blockchain information.


You have no interest in helping victims make progress in investigating. That proves enough in itself.

You're delusional.

Unless I knowingly promoted something I knew would become a scam, I did not scam anything, even indirectly.


I said you've not shown respect.

Rest of your points don't even warrant a reply. I'm not obligated to prove you anything or give you any information. The story would be wildly different if you would have provided anything that proves that I had ill intentions or knowingly spread misinformation.

You're accusing me. You provide proof.

You can try and flip the table, the truth is that I have no personal agenda. I see an unresolved scam worth 8-9, maybe 10 figures. That is crazy to me...and you are someone who went quiet after the scam and is no back, not addressing anything here (not in any way that is of use to victims anyway) and profiting from the forum when I think that you shouldn't be.

But let's end this right now...


There you have it. Proof that you are unwilling to help anyone in this thread properly investigate.

You don't need to handle transactions to have TXIDs. Unless you deleted chat logs, emails, communications, wallets, etc. (Why would you do that if you did nothing wrong?) then you'd still have a TXID that connected with your payments from bitdice. Especially for the times you were paid for your services prior to CSNO. At minimum, you'd have the TXID of the 100,000 tokens you received for your bounty campaign services.

All you need to do is look at all CSNO transfers that amounted to 100,000 and there are less than 10 results.

Also, we are in 2023. Are you now claiming you never received a single cent from bitdice since 2017?

And another thing, you are obliged to all of the people who went into the ICO from your promotion ... The people you indirectly scammed. Not me.


Surprise surprise. The moment some blockchain information is requested, this kind of response comes out.

I've not shown disrespect, I've made objective comments which question your integrity and reputation.

That's what comes with advertising and promoting a scam as large as this one.

That's fine, end the conversation here instead of actually cooperating by helping find blockchain evidence. Minus your whining about respect, me, and how much you've posted here to date, all your post says is that you refuse to cooperate in finding blockchain information about the ICO scam.

From what I saw, they did not gain money by sticking around. They lost money in various ways. One of them being a lot of CSNO being sold in the buyback program. Another one was exploits. Other legitimate winners. Some players lost too, of course. They scammed customers only after I left and I doubt anyone played serious amounts there anymore at that point. None of that speaks for anything other than incompetence. If they did as you say, they should have packed their bags years ago. But they didn't, they stuck around.

When I spoke to investors about it, the ones I spoke with concluded that the point hope was lost when they let go of long-time employees like me.

EDIT: I'm certainly not here in any way to defend BitDice. I'm defending myself because there's only speculation and claims that I somehow knew what was going to happen. Yet there is no proof of that or of any ill intention on my part. It's all just speculation. I've given a solid amount of background from my perspective because I think it's important. I unfortunately don't have anything else to give. Despite the fact that the tone here is very accusatory, I've taken significant time to respond questions.

BitDice's questionable actions are more than enough circumstantial evidence to conclude they were scamming. We won't ever get irrefutable proof because nobody is willing to come forward to cooperate and even if there was there isn't anybody with enough authority wanting to investigate them.

Fundraising millions of dollars and allowing a site to deteriorate and only slapping on a new coat of paint to give an appearance of improvement isn't some innocent fuck up. Once they got their bag they had no intention of fulfilling promises made to investors. They only stuck around a while longer to see how much more money they could get away with scamming from their customers.

What about your true character and stance? You conveniently ignore most of what I say and respond to what supports your own personal agenda. I believe you're only here to boost your ego.



What? I specifically said that they did not scam players while I was there.


I honestly don't care what you ask based on how you treat me.

I cannot provide information about ICO proceeds as I didn't handle them in any way.

I don't have a TXID from 6 years ago. The bounty campaign was public though. Even if I had the TXID, I would not feel in any way obligated to give it to you.


I said I managed the bounty campaign and I received compensation in CSNO from said bounty campaign. I also managed the campaign publicly. What's the secret?

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This is pretty much the last straw. I've been very cooperative answering any questions. Despite the fact that I have personally never scammed anyone or been accused of any wrongdoing, I still face these accusations. I was in customer support role after running the bounty campaign. Go blame the people not here addressing your questions, the BitDice administration, and not me. I'm very much done with this discussion.

You have not shown a single bit of respect towards me.

I am not buying your victim act, I don't think the others are either.

Let's see if you cooperate with helping get blockchain evidence of the scam. This will show your true character and stance.


And yet you still defended the casino to investors, not raising any awareness any red flags or concerns.


Requesting proof with TXIDs of your compensation.

Also requesting information about the ICO proceeds and blockchain information, since you watched the whole thing happen you would have this information.

You, as a campaign manager, will be connected to the money. Failure to disclose or cooperate will corrupt your claim of being a victim.

I was talking about customers as in players. They did not scam players during my time. Shady behavior does not equate scam.


You are quoting my post where I clearly say a scam is if there was no effort at all. They were still doing something despite it arguably not being enough. They were also buying CSNO back for a very long time (although for a low price in the end). None of that makes sense if they were planning on exit scamming all along. They were wasting money doing those things if their ultimate plan was to exit scam. I refuse to agree with you.

I only wanted to see BitDice become successful. That is all I hoped. I did what was within my abilities to help with that. Had I gotten any solid proof of their intentions, I would not have kept it a secret. Fact is that aside from the reasons that people doubted BitDice, there was no irrefutable proof of their scam.

There is no defending the fact that they should have been producing quarterly reports. I believe the plan was to wait until BitDice turned a profit. On the other hand they could also have fabricated quarterly reports if they were planning an exit scam. In my own opinion none of what happened suggests that there was some elaborate plan to exit scam. I believe they just fucked up handling the business so badly that they saw no other way out.

It didn't happen in the end. It didn't happen after you were no longer there. The shady behavior was ongoing for years while you were still their employee. When you left it had already been 2 whole years without a quarterly report.

They made virtually no effort to address any user complaints aside from worthless reassurances from customer support so by your own definition they were scamming and it was happening well before you left.

Yes, in the end they scammed players too. This did not happen during my time but after my return on the forum, I had a brief discussion with a former BitDice player and I heard that they did infact start scamming players too after I had left. It seemed that after hiring cheap support and firing long-term employees, they had decided to embark on that road.

They took 10 million and scammed customers for even more...

I was compensated 100,000 CSNO for running the bounty campaign. I sold them shortly after the ICO because I needed the money. I was not working for BitDice at the time of the ICO and I was only hired for the bounty campaign. After the ICO they needed customer support and I took that job.

I have never invested in any ICO so BitDice is not any different.

EDIT: Consider your question being directed at any campaign manager running any bounty campaign. I took the job because I felt that the CSNO I was awarded would make it worth my time. I think the same goes for a lot of campaign managers who are partially paid in the token of the campaign they manage.

Great questions.
My bet is the answer to both of those questions are 0, as he has not mentioned anything about actually losing anything to date...only that he was apparently unaware and somewhat blindsided by old/new management like the investors were. I am surprised no trustworthy members have come to this thread and added their opinion on this whole matter.