BitDice Robbed Investors? CSNO lost 80% value - page 8.

joksim299

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Quote from: andulolika on February 16, 2020, 09:22:00 PM

I'm quoting you "deliver in 2017/2018 (2 years ago)"
The small update to the site coincides with the promise.
The slott games been added quite often and there is a huge amount of them now.
There are new games.
and currencies
and minor updates
and a going on bigger update

While I didn't follow the ICO I did spend a bunch of time in the chat.
You are the only user that come and generates FUD for some unknown reason.

On a side note, that new rating looks great, next time inform yourself before following a false flag or let me know when you investigated enough.
Might leave it since I see that persistence might be paid by competency.

You cannot lie to me because I seen how the site updated thru the years, If I'm something that thing is a gambler.

I see you keep editing your post, the update isn't irrelevant it was the only thing you had against the site excluding the funding which is still there.
Not like you got many ways to promote a casino. These bumps, someone might thank you for them.

when people doesn't want to hear you can do anything and they will keep repeating the lies till they believe them themselves
one can only sell a product that one believes in.

Please read Whitepaper and ICO infographic.
Those 10 slot games they added in 2018 are drop in the sea.

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Quote from: BoXXoB on February 16, 2020, 07:40:44 PM

Quote from: marlboroza on February 16, 2020, 07:31:12 PM

Quote from: BoXXoB on February 16, 2020, 07:22:55 PM

This speculation is just that... speculation and I doubt it's going to change until there's a new release. Of course this is my personal opinion so feel free to disagree. As I've mentioned in multiple occasions, nobody is hiding the fact that there's been delays.

Excuse me, but how is investor complaining that you didn't deliver something which you supposed to deliver in 2017/2018 (2 years ago) speculation?

Quote from: BoXXoB on February 16, 2020, 07:22:55 PM

I find it pretty silly to call the site a scam while things are being worked on. Right now it feels more like pressuring the site to rush out a release just for the sake of it.

So you invest in something and they say they will do something in 2017., you complain in 2020. that they still didn't do it, and you call that a silly accusation, pressuring someone Huh

Yes, I believe it's silly to accuse of being a scam when a response has been given about how the things that the complaint is about are being worked on. Scam would be if there was no effort being put into anything and everything is simply being left as it is. Then again, maybe my definition of a scam is different than yours.

This sound like very bad excuse.

Why bitdice didn't add games to site when they said they will?

They ran ICO, took money, so what happened to games then?

andulolika

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I'm quoting you "deliver in 2017/2018 (2 years ago)"
The small update to the site coincides with the promise.
The slott games been added quite often and there is a huge amount of them now.
There are new games.
and currencies
and minor updates
and a going on bigger update

While I didn't follow the ICO I did spend a bunch of time in the chat.
You are the only user that come and generates FUD for some unknown reason.

On a side note, that new rating looks great, next time inform yourself before following a false flag or let me know when you investigated enough.
Might leave it since I see that persistence might be paid by competency.

You cannot lie to me because I seen how the site updated thru the years, If I'm something that thing is a gambler.

I see you keep editing your post, the update isn't irrelevant it was the only thing you had against the site excluding the funding which is still there.
Not like you got many ways to promote a casino. These bumps, someone might thank you for them.

when people doesn't want to hear you can do anything and they will keep repeating the lies till they believe them themselves
one can only sell a product that one believes in.

joksim299

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Bitdice is scam scam scammmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Quote from: andulolika on February 16, 2020, 08:57:27 PM

Quote from: joksim299 on February 16, 2020, 07:42:35 PM

Quote from: marlboroza on February 16, 2020, 07:31:12 PM

Quote from: BoXXoB on February 16, 2020, 07:22:55 PM

This speculation is just that... speculation and I doubt it's going to change until there's a new release. Of course this is my personal opinion so feel free to disagree. As I've mentioned in multiple occasions, nobody is hiding the fact that there's been delays.

Excuse me, but how is investor complaining that you didn't deliver something which you supposed to deliver in 2017/2018 (2 years ago) speculation?

Quote from: BoXXoB on February 16, 2020, 07:22:55 PM

I find it pretty silly to call the site a scam while things are being worked on. Right now it feels more like pressuring the site to rush out a release just for the sake of it.

So you invest in something and they say they will do something in 2017., you complain in 2020. that they still didn't do it, and you call that a silly accusation, pressuring someone Huh

And top of that Bitdice owner/ICO organizer still have 10,000,000$ while total investors share including owner stake is now worth $2,000,000 so I am assuming everything is delayed on purpose now owner can buy most of remaining tokens and profit they already profited 700,000$ from investors by fabricating expenses for running site.

Quote from: BoXXoB on February 16, 2020, 07:40:44 PM

Yes, I believe it's silly to accuse of being a scam when a response has been given about how the things that the complaint is about are being worked on. Scam would be if there was no effort being put into anything and everything is simply being left as it is. Then again, maybe my definition of a scam is different than yours.

With 700,000$ spent solely on running old site which according to Boxxob can't be updated while doing nothing is scam by itself.
Give $100k to any casino out there and see what they can do with the money you are spending quarterly while investors didn't agree to pay for those figured costs.

- I really hope that next step is not scamming players for their money

There are quite a bunch of games and few currencies that were added in the past years, count that the signature campaing is one of the best paid of this forum each single legendary user is 3640 usd a year.
Had no idea site was expecting a update but there were new slott games it even added sports betting last year.
I never seen in over a year lurking that chat of any investor whining.

And the site was updated few years ago not sure how everyone forgot.

Those are slots that were already there before ICO.
You had no idea because you did not invest or follow ICO.
They are trapped now and do not want to post anything in hope to recover their investment, I would like investors to come up in this thread.
That update is also irrelevant.
Signature campaign is sadly their only marketing campaign since ICO concluded.

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Quote from: joksim299 on February 16, 2020, 07:42:35 PM

Quote from: marlboroza on February 16, 2020, 07:31:12 PM

Quote from: BoXXoB on February 16, 2020, 07:22:55 PM

This speculation is just that... speculation and I doubt it's going to change until there's a new release. Of course this is my personal opinion so feel free to disagree. As I've mentioned in multiple occasions, nobody is hiding the fact that there's been delays.

Excuse me, but how is investor complaining that you didn't deliver something which you supposed to deliver in 2017/2018 (2 years ago) speculation?

Quote from: BoXXoB on February 16, 2020, 07:22:55 PM

I find it pretty silly to call the site a scam while things are being worked on. Right now it feels more like pressuring the site to rush out a release just for the sake of it.

So you invest in something and they say they will do something in 2017., you complain in 2020. that they still didn't do it, and you call that a silly accusation, pressuring someone Huh

And top of that Bitdice owner/ICO organizer still have 10,000,000$ while total investors share including owner stake is now worth $2,000,000 so I am assuming everything is delayed on purpose now owner can buy most of remaining tokens and profit they already profited 700,000$ from investors by fabricating expenses for running site.

Quote from: BoXXoB on February 16, 2020, 07:40:44 PM

Yes, I believe it's silly to accuse of being a scam when a response has been given about how the things that the complaint is about are being worked on. Scam would be if there was no effort being put into anything and everything is simply being left as it is. Then again, maybe my definition of a scam is different than yours.

With 700,000$ spent solely on running old site which according to Boxxob can't be updated while doing nothing is scam by itself.
Give $100k to any casino out there and see what they can do with the money you are spending quarterly while investors didn't agree to pay for those figured costs.

- I really hope that next step is not scamming players for their money

There are quite a bunch of games and few currencies that were added in the past years, count that the signature campaing is one of the best paid of this forum each single legendary user is 3640 usd a year.
Had no idea site was expecting a update but there were new slott games it even added sports betting last year.
I never seen in over a year lurking that chat of any investor whining.

And the site was updated few years ago not sure how everyone forgot.

joksim299

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Quote from: marlboroza on February 16, 2020, 07:31:12 PM

Quote from: BoXXoB on February 16, 2020, 07:22:55 PM

This speculation is just that... speculation and I doubt it's going to change until there's a new release. Of course this is my personal opinion so feel free to disagree. As I've mentioned in multiple occasions, nobody is hiding the fact that there's been delays.

Excuse me, but how is investor complaining that you didn't deliver something which you supposed to deliver in 2017/2018 (2 years ago) speculation?

Quote from: BoXXoB on February 16, 2020, 07:22:55 PM

I find it pretty silly to call the site a scam while things are being worked on. Right now it feels more like pressuring the site to rush out a release just for the sake of it.

So you invest in something and they say they will do something in 2017., you complain in 2020. that they still didn't do it, and you call that a silly accusation, pressuring someone Huh

And top of that Bitdice owner/ICO organizer still have 10,000,000$ while total investors share including owner stake is now worth $2,000,000 so I am assuming everything is delayed on purpose now owner can buy most of remaining tokens and profit they already profited 700,000$ from investors by fabricating expenses for running site and if you convert raised capital to current prices its worth over 33,000,000$

Quote from: BoXXoB on February 16, 2020, 07:40:44 PM

Yes, I believe it's silly to accuse of being a scam when a response has been given about how the things that the complaint is about are being worked on. Scam would be if there was no effort being put into anything and everything is simply being left as it is. Then again, maybe my definition of a scam is different than yours.

With 700,000$ spent solely on running old site which according to Boxxob can't be updated while doing nothing is scam by itself.
Give $100k to any casino out there and see what they can do with the money you are spending quarterly while investors didn't agree to pay for those figured costs.

- I really hope that next step is not scamming players for their money

BoXXoB

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Quote from: marlboroza on February 16, 2020, 07:31:12 PM

Quote from: BoXXoB on February 16, 2020, 07:22:55 PM

This speculation is just that... speculation and I doubt it's going to change until there's a new release. Of course this is my personal opinion so feel free to disagree. As I've mentioned in multiple occasions, nobody is hiding the fact that there's been delays.

Excuse me, but how is investor complaining that you didn't deliver something which you supposed to deliver in 2017/2018 (2 years ago) speculation?

Quote from: BoXXoB on February 16, 2020, 07:22:55 PM

I find it pretty silly to call the site a scam while things are being worked on. Right now it feels more like pressuring the site to rush out a release just for the sake of it.

So you invest in something and they say they will do something in 2017., you complain in 2020. that they still didn't do it, and you call that a silly accusation, pressuring someone Huh

Yes, I believe it's silly to accuse of being a scam when a response has been given about how the things that the complaint is about are being worked on. Scam would be if there was no effort being put into anything and everything is simply being left as it is. Then again, maybe my definition of a scam is different than yours.

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Quote from: BoXXoB on February 16, 2020, 07:22:55 PM

This speculation is just that... speculation and I doubt it's going to change until there's a new release. Of course this is my personal opinion so feel free to disagree. As I've mentioned in multiple occasions, nobody is hiding the fact that there's been delays.

Excuse me, but how is investor complaining that you didn't deliver something which you supposed to deliver in 2017/2018 (2 years ago) speculation?

Quote from: BoXXoB on February 16, 2020, 07:22:55 PM

I find it pretty silly to call the site a scam while things are being worked on. Right now it feels more like pressuring the site to rush out a release just for the sake of it.

So you invest in something and they say they will do something in 2017., you complain in 2020. that they still didn't do it, and you call that a silly accusation, pressuring someone Huh

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Quote from: yahoo62278 on February 16, 2020, 06:39:51 PM

@Boxxob have you shown this to alex( I believe that's the owner) yet? Why hasn't he responded so far? Thread has been up for nearly a week.

I am not an investor so I would not like to speculate here. Alex could come in and set some things straight for users or at least explain some issues.

He is aware of the thread. I believe the biggest issue is that there's not been updates on the site. I've tried to explain that it's being worked currently and the new release is getting pretty close although there's still work to do.

This speculation is just that... speculation and I doubt it's going to change until there's a new release. Of course this is my personal opinion so feel free to disagree. As I've mentioned in multiple occasions, nobody is hiding the fact that there's been delays. I find it pretty silly to call the site a scam while things are being worked on. Right now it feels more like pressuring the site to rush out a release just for the sake of it.

I have personally seen what kind of progress has been made (for example how the new design is going to look like) but if people don't believe that, I'm unsure what else to say. The upcoming quarterly report should contain information and possibly concrete evidence of what has been done.

joksim299

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Quote from: yahoo62278 on February 16, 2020, 06:39:51 PM

@Boxxob have you shown this to alex( I believe that's the owner) yet? Why hasn't he responded so far? Thread has been up for nearly a week.

I am not an investor so I would not like to speculate here. Alex could come in and set some things straight for users or at least explain some issues.

I first posted it in reputation thread since they can fix things or at least explain what is happening.
I posted same questions in official thread @Boxxob who is representative do not have required info and old signature campaign members tried to make posts irrelevant.

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@Boxxob have you shown this to alex( I believe that's the owner) yet? Why hasn't he responded so far? Thread has been up for nearly a week.

I am not an investor so I would not like to speculate here. Alex could come in and set some things straight for users or at least explain some issues.

joksim299

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Quote from: marlboroza on February 16, 2020, 06:09:25 PM

As investor, you have right to know what they did with your money and every single cent of invested money. Do you have such information?

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I compiled what is done in the list below:

   No New Slot Providers
   No Live Games
   No Smart Contracts
   No Roulette
   No Baccart
   No Bitdice Own Games
   No Texas Holdem Poker

Now they didn't complete most of their promises and site looks and works same as it was before ICO

Ok, looking at roadmap picture, they said they will have these games available in 2017/2018., games should have attracted new players and I suppose that is one of the main reasons to invest in gambling site, if they still didn't release them then they lied to investors, tricked them to invest and scammed them. Why is this in reputation?

I should move it to Scam Acc. thread
I posted it in reputation since they should have whats invested - operating cost.
Token is bound to $ value all collected tokens were converted to $ when ICO concluded.

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As investor, you have right to know what they did with your money and every single cent of invested money. Do you have such information?

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I compiled what is done in the list below:

No New Slot Providers
No Live Games
No Smart Contracts
No Roulette
No Baccart
No Bitdice Own Games
No Texas Holdem Poker

Now they didn't complete most of their promises and site looks and works same as it was before ICO

Ok, looking at roadmap picture, they said they will have these games available in 2017/2018., games should have attracted new players and I suppose that is one of the main reasons to invest in gambling site, if they still didn't release them then they lied to investors, tricked them to invest and scammed them. Why is this in reputation?

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Quote from: game-protect on February 16, 2020, 01:28:55 PM

1) Bitdice collected the investment sum of USD 10 million in exchange for CSNO tokens.

2) Meanwhile the CSNO tokens lost 90% of its value

3) That means that Bitdice lost USD 9 million of the collected USD 10 million!

Is the accounting available how Bitdice lost the invested USD 9 million?

I think your logic is quite flawed in my personal opinion. The token price is down, sure but it's a dividend token which means the investors are still entitled to part of future profits which are estimated to get better after the new website is ready and marketing kicks off. I'm not even sure it's worth arguing with you at this point considering how you seem to think the token price somehow reflects that the invested money has been lost. Spoiler alert: It has not been lost. Most of what was invested was sold for fiat to avoid potential issues if crypto plummets. What wasn't sold has been mostly put into the bankroll.

Your points would make sense if there was somehow nothing left of the invested amount but as you can see from the quarterly reports, that's not the case.

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Quote from: andulolika on February 16, 2020, 03:06:10 PM

Quote from: game-protect on February 16, 2020, 01:39:44 PM

Quote from: andulolika on February 16, 2020, 01:31:54 PM

The value of the tokens have nothing to do with the value of the dividends.

Nonsense! The higher the dividend of a company share the higher is the value of the share!

Quote from: andulolika on February 16, 2020, 01:31:54 PM

The value of the token is bound to the value of eth/btc if we count the swing eth took in last years you got your answer.

Did investors invest Fiat money or Bitcoin/Ethereum?

What was the value of Bitcoin and Ethereum when investors purchased shares in form of the CSNO tokens?

Investors invested BTC/ETH then why you bring up the FIAT price that swings a lot?

Because the value of Bitcoin/Ethereum is the Fiat price! Roll Eyes

No, you seemingly a fiat thinker.
You think in bitcoin and ethereum not in fiat.

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Quote from: game-protect on February 16, 2020, 01:39:44 PM

Quote from: andulolika on February 16, 2020, 01:31:54 PM

The value of the tokens have nothing to do with the value of the dividends.

Nonsense! The higher the dividend of a company share the higher is the value of the share!

Quote from: andulolika on February 16, 2020, 01:31:54 PM

The value of the token is bound to the value of eth/btc if we count the swing eth took in last years you got your answer.

Did investors invest Fiat money or Bitcoin/Ethereum?

What was the value of Bitcoin and Ethereum when investors purchased shares in form of the CSNO tokens?

Investors invested BTC/ETH then why you bring up the FIAT price that swings a lot?

Price can be exactly the same csno vs eth but you making claims on the price of eth vs fiat.

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Quote from: andulolika on February 16, 2020, 01:31:54 PM

The value of the tokens have nothing to do with the value of the dividends.

Nonsense! The higher the dividend of a company share the higher is the value of the share!

Quote from: andulolika on February 16, 2020, 01:31:54 PM

The value of the token is bound to the value of eth/btc if we count the swing eth took in last years you got your answer.

Did investors invest Fiat money or Bitcoin/Ethereum?

What was the value of Bitcoin and Ethereum when investors purchased shares in form of the CSNO tokens?

andulolika

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Quote from: game-protect on February 16, 2020, 01:28:55 PM

1) Bitdice collected the investment sum of USD 10 million in exchange for CSNO tokens.

2) Meanwhile the CSNO tokens lost 90% of its value

3) That means that Bitdice lost USD 9 million of the collected USD 10 million!

Is the accounting available how Bitdice lost this USD 9 million?

The value of the tokens have nothing to do with the value of the dividends.
The value of the token is bound to the value of eth/btc if we count the swing eth took in last years you got your answer.
yall fiat counters are disappointing, long live crypto.

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1) Bitdice collected the investment sum of USD 10 million in exchange for CSNO tokens.

2) Meanwhile the CSNO tokens lost 80% of its value

3) That means that Bitdice lost USD 8 million of the collected USD 10 million!

Is the accounting available how Bitdice lost the invested USD 8 million?

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Quote from: joksim299 on February 14, 2020, 06:16:46 PM

Quote from: andulolika on February 14, 2020, 05:47:06 PM

Quote from: joksim299 on February 14, 2020, 05:32:02 PM

Quote from: BoXXoB on February 14, 2020, 05:27:42 PM

There's been a bunch of speculation going on in the BitDice thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1700658.new;topicseen#new).

I've done my best to address the questions I have answers for. I've seen signs of progress myself of the upcoming site update and can say that progress is being made although it's obviously not visible on the website. I've been told there might be some information about the progress that has been made on the upcoming quarterly report.

Joksim has been one of the people participating in the speculation on the aforementioned thread. The people participating in the speculation seem to, for the most part, be ignoring all of my answers as well as always coming up with a new question without addressing my responses.

As I've said multiple times already, the management is not hiding the fact that things have been delayed. I think that's pretty clear. As I've said, there's work being done and results should be visible sooner or later. Nobody has abandoned the project.

I'll quote some posts from thread here.
Why legal expenses are increasing month by month?
Those things mentioned in road map can't take decade to be completed. Quarterly reports are generic and made up.

Quote from: andulolika on February 14, 2020, 05:06:28 PM

The site is doing great, I never heard of a investor making any claim and I almost buy the token myself and I regret not doing so. It didn't decieve anyone it paid out investors and it made the investment thru the token as "shares" of the site, so now it pays dividends.
I spent quite a lot of time on the site in the past and I know it's legit, besides all that it has one of the best paid signature campaing out there.

All the negative things you mentioning I'm quite unaware of.

You were lucky to not buy CSNO your coins would end up in black hole.

Updated op with quotes from BitDice thread.

That's wrong, my coins would of been way better invested in CSNO rather than in physical slott machines.

Yes, you would now have loss of 70% while on slots you probably would end up losing everything.

@Boxxob
Site running costs (which are over 400k$+ per year) should be paid by owner 30% not investors, read whitepaper link is in the first post its nowhere mentioned that owners will pay those expenses.

The profit sharing falls pretty far out of my area of expertise.

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