Topic: bitfloor issues? - page 31. (Read 55548 times)

Source? I am fairly certain he is American, and living just a few hours north of me...

Maybe Romans busy reading his copy

Here:  http://tinyurl.com/d4hb936

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You obviously have no idea what your talking about. Sending an email to a gmail account creates no court useable record. There's no way to prove who actually read the email. Also good luck requesting records from google in court. They have lawyers, lawyers, lawyers, and then even some more lawyers.

I do agree to document absolutely everything. You are correct there.

I also agree with being proactive but not in an immature way.

Also you have some trouble trying to do anything in court against roman as he's not American.

So as many have discussed before, maybe better to research, document, and lightly attempt contact right now. If. Your going to file suit or whatever else, any lawyer would tell you to not talk about it and just do it.

Dox who you like, but in this forum we have rules, providing info like that isn't allowed.

Go elsewhere and behave how ya like, but if you want to be apart of the community here, stop cussing like a drunk 16 year old, and ont break privacy rules, that's something that should be taken very seriously everywhere.

Thank you for behaving civilly and wearing your pants where they belong and not your head. I'd like to hope he was posting an update anyway, as he implies, but regardless you've done no harm. This isn't about "fear" or whatever, this is about ethics. It is ethically wrong to aggress Roman based on current conditions and evidence. (That is to say, there is insufficient -- none AFAIK -- evidence to conclude that he is attempting to defraud and thereby commit an act of aggression/coercion against us; therefore, all indicators are that harassing contact cannot be construed as self-defense rather than the initial act of agression.) Conveniently, I also believe it is nonproductive and possibly counterproductive to aggress Roman at this point. My concern is that not all will be as tactful, or singular in their contact. Hope that makes some form of sense.

Both of you chill! Please read the new postings before ranting like lunatics!
Roman is posting an update on bitfloor.com after my email to him earlier.

Aaaand, I'm giving you the coveted Ignore, because I don't fan flame wars, and because you offer nothing of value for me to read.

My entire point and premise is that by posting such information you are encouraging (I think purposefully, but thoughtlessly through ignorance is a fine explanation as well) harassment to occur, beyond simple inquiries (still pointless since he isn't off-grid and has indicated he will only respond when he has new info). I referred to it as "doxxing" because in the same spirit that doxxing occurs on /i/, there is a targeted outcome, which is only one of two possible ones. On the /i/ of old, it could be met with pursuit, or the classic "not your personal army" if it didn't mesh with enough of a following. But that didn't stop a few unruly viewers from starting the attack anyway.

This is me saying, "Bitcointalk is not your personal army" based on the fact that I do not believe that it makes logical or ethical sense to team up to harass (or "contact" as you euphemistically have rephrased it) Roman at this stage of the game.

I believe there is more that sufficient evidence to conclude that (1) Roman likely did not do anything wrong other than be unprepared for the bank to handle things this way, and (2) his lawyer has buttoned him up from making any more Twitter promises until things are more clear. Not complying with (2) loses you your lawyer, BTW, in short order. So what would you have him do?

Show me evidence he is trying to skip town, and by that I mean to a different country with a new identity, and I may become more concerned. (And I'm not exactly out chump change here, either.) Until then, your irrational behavior threatens my odds at recovering my assets and everyone else on this forum who has claim to any. Let's say you do goad him into making a bad promise on an email or a tweet, or giving out info that he maybe believes now and becomes false? That opens him up to more civil liability, the likelihood of his lawyer stepping down, and we're all in a worse position than we are now.

I note you are changing your tack a bit -- I say this less to point out that you are "changing tack" as a bad thing and more that, regardless of why, I approve of attempting to politely make contact, and if he requests you desist (which he appears to do on his personal accounts), if you are governed by US law at least (as is Shtylman and Bitfloor LLC), continued harassment actually does become illegal. This is partly due to the US law that currently delineates an LLC or a Corp or a few other things as legally separate identities. I say THIS not because I necessarily have an opinion one way or the other on the need for such laws, or any laws for that matter, but only because like it or not that is the boat upon which we are riding currently.

That was quick! We should all wait for his new posting today.

Here's his reply:

--------------------------- Original Message ----------------------------
Subject: Re: An update on bitfloor is due!
From:    "Roman Shtylman" <[email protected]>
Date:    Mon, May 13, 2013 12:45 pm
To:      XXXXXXXX
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I am working on an update to post today. I can assure you that the
situation is being worked on.

cheers,
~Roman

Here's my email to Roman a minute ago:

Roman:

Here it goes. You don't like to be bothered in your personal Twitter
account so I am writing to your personal email account. I have waited
patiently so far but it is now your turn to provide some clarity to your
customers instead of leaving everyone hanging with no explanation and no
idea of what is going on. This is unprofessional and unacceptable. Get
your act together and keep the info coming so people don't get anxious
for no reason. There is a lot of money involved here!

If you decide to ignore this email my next step will be to try and reach
you at your personal twitter account. I am trying to respect your
privacy. Respect my wishes as well.

If you send an email to a gmail address there will be a permanent record of that email stored on their servers including if/when it was marked as read. I think the wise thing to be doing right now if you are a Bitfloor victim and you intend to get your money back from Roman Shtylman is you should be getting as much evidence as you can that you are trying all possible avenues and that Roman Shtylman is refusing to communicate with you.

Strive to make contact. Document all attempts.

Again, this only pertains to people who give a shit and want to be pro-active.

If you're ok with just waiting for your hopes and dreams to come true, that's cool too.

I am not really sure that people contacting someone who has their money and has CHOSEN to remain mute about what he is doing with their money would be considered "harassment".
Even if he was being advised by lawyers, he would have made a more professional statement with information by now.   This stinks and sounds more like the reaction of a teenager to trouble than a business person.

As far as I know you are the first person to bring up harassment. I would not recommend using his contact info for that purpose. Use it to contact him about your losses.

I know it would be nice to have a little bit more information from him regarding what's going on, but what will harassing him achieve? Is he not aware that people want to know what's going on?

I couldn't possibly disagree more. If people don't get their money back from ROMAN SHTYLMAN, it won't be because of anything anyone ever did other than ROMAN SHTYLMAN.

To even suggest otherwise is both ignorant and pathetic.

ROMAN SHTYLMAN owns and operates Bitfloor

ROMAN SHTYLMAN is responsible for the money owed to Bitfloor customers

ROMAN SHTYLMAN is a human being who exists in the real world and can be contacted

ROMAN SHTYLMAN should be contacted by those affected

ROMAN SHTYLMAN can be contacted in the following ways:

Twitter @defunctzombie

https://twitter.com/defunctzombie

Here's his personal web site: http://shtylman.com

His Google+ page: https://plus.google.com/117103271947279491631

His email: [email protected]

On GitHub: https://github.com/shtylman

...and if I knew the number to his fucking iphone i'd put that at the top of the list

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By connection you show a lack of consideration for everyone else in this thread, and moreover, everyone else not yet in this thread who have money owed by Bitfloor. Posting it all in one spot incites rabble. Just as a door lock only discourages the undetermined burglar, the fairly trivial amount of work to seek out Roman's other identities was just enough to discourage casual pointless drive-by tweets and emails clogging up his daily life and thereby actually making it more difficult in the end to return our money to us. This is irrational and not forward-thinking behavior. Do you really believe that someone who owes approaching possibly a half million USD by some counts, just in actual USD that was supposedly in his account, and whose IRL identity is fairly exposed, would dream of trying to just float around NYC or SF and never pay? You're hurting your own cause by being a vindictive ass, and also mine and everyone else's, hence my irritation.

All of the info I posted can be gotten directly from his Twitter page. I have simply shortened the route to getting there.

If you think for one second that I give even the slightest shit about showing consideration for Roman Shtylman's personal security and/or privacy then you are most powerfully mistaken.

People who are owed money by this dead beat deserve to know how to contact him.

So yeah, all your doxxing panty spoiling is your own, sorry.