BitForce SC - release notes - page 6.

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Quote from: craked5 on June 22, 2012, 07:16:37 PM

Ok BFL i just have one question! What can be done to future costumers in Europe? I really dont want to pay one third of the price in taxes. Please do something about this!

Lobby your government to not levvy such a steep tax. Anything BFL can do to prevent a lawfully enforced tax would probably be considered fraud in your country of origin. Tongue

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Ok BFL i just have one question! What can be done to future costumers in Europe? I really dont want to pay one third of the price in taxes. Please do something about this!

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Wow this answers a lot of our questions! Thanks!

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Quote from: BFL on June 22, 2012, 01:29:05 PM

We've written a response to many of the questions presented to us regarding the BitForce SC product line. I trust it will at least clarify what can be expected from our company as regards to overall policy that might affect the hashing community.

http://www.butterflylabs.com/bitforce-sc-release-notes/

Regards,
BFL

Good response. Two more quickies if you don't mind to answer:

1. Will there be a product that is most readily deliverable or with more focus? [i.e. Will a SC-rig take particularily longer than a new Jalapeno Single, and/or will the Jalapeno be deliverable faster or slower than a coffee warmer?]

2. Are you guys stocking ASIC product already, or will you begin to build them as the orders are received? ..or.. What will be the expected delivery times?

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Quote from: ice_chill on June 22, 2012, 06:10:46 PM

Quote from: wknight on June 22, 2012, 05:02:42 PM

Quote from: BFL on June 22, 2012, 03:32:39 PM

Any thoughts on this?

Why wouldn't you allow your current customers first rights to trading in their orders? They are the ones that have believed in your product and have already worked with you with possible long wait times for the product. I think this is a great way to show your appreciation to your current customer database and a big thank you for believing in your product.

The current customers enjoy mining on current equipment, while a new customer gives money upfront and gets nothing for the wait.
It should just be first come first serve, otherwise it will turn into a Soap Opera.

I thought it was already a Soap Opera

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Quote from: ice_chill on June 22, 2012, 06:10:46 PM

Quote from: wknight on June 22, 2012, 05:02:42 PM

Quote from: BFL on June 22, 2012, 03:32:39 PM

Any thoughts on this?

Why wouldn't you allow your current customers first rights to trading in their orders? They are the ones that have believed in your product and have already worked with you with possible long wait times for the product. I think this is a great way to show your appreciation to your current customer database and a big thank you for believing in your product.

The current customers enjoy mining on current equipment, while a new customer gives money upfront and gets nothing for the wait.
It should just be first come first serve, otherwise it will turn into a Soap Opera.

That would be farce it has long since been at the soap opera stage. And lottery is the idea it prevents time zone discrimination among other things..

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Quote from: wknight on June 22, 2012, 05:02:42 PM

Quote from: BFL on June 22, 2012, 03:32:39 PM

Any thoughts on this?

Why wouldn't you allow your current customers first rights to trading in their orders? They are the ones that have believed in your product and have already worked with you with possible long wait times for the product. I think this is a great way to show your appreciation to your current customer database and a big thank you for believing in your product.

The current customers enjoy mining on current equipment, while a new customer gives money upfront and gets nothing for the wait.
It should just be first come first serve, otherwise it will turn into a Soap Opera.

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Quote from: Gomeler on June 22, 2012, 04:02:01 PM

Quote from: allten on June 22, 2012, 03:55:05 PM

One idea I had was for each jalepeno that comes off the assembly line. goes directly to a mining pool ( I know you don't mine, but maybe you could team up with somebody who does). Each preorder would have a share into that pool. Once there's enough hardware to satisfy all the orders....boom! you ship 'em all out.

Bad idea.. I wouldn't want BFL distracted with powering and housing a farm of boxes. Receive parts, assemble, burn test for a day or two, ship. Their performance with the Single and their horrific PR hopefully are due to being overloaded so don't even consider pulling more time off to manage some sort of group hardware sharing thing.

I thought it was a great idea.
wasn't' their a trusted member from the community that visited BFL from time to time that could manage the pool.

The idea was they had someone else run the pool so no interruption.

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Quote from: BFL on June 22, 2012, 03:32:39 PM

Any thoughts on this?

Why wouldn't you allow your current customers first rights to trading in their orders? They are the ones that have believed in your product and have already worked with you with possible long wait times for the product. I think this is a great way to show your appreciation to your current customer database and a big thank you for believing in your product.

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Quote from: rjk on June 22, 2012, 04:28:51 PM

Quote from: Tachikoma on June 22, 2012, 04:23:59 PM

Quote from: coblee on June 22, 2012, 04:08:35 PM

How much power do these SC devices use?

I don't think there is any info about that yet, just that the Jalapeno is powered via USB so that's like 5V ?

Quoting from Wikipedia in regards to USB power limits:

Quote from: Wikipedia

The USB 1.x and 2.0 specifications provide a 5 V supply on a single wire from which connected USB devices may draw power. The specification provides for no more than 5.25 V and no less than 4.75 V (5 V±5%) between the positive and negative bus power lines. For USB 3.0, the voltage supplied by low-powered hub ports is 4.45–5.25 V.

A unit load is defined as 100 mA in USB 2.0, and 150 mA in USB 3.0. A device may draw a maximum of 5 unit loads (500 mA) from a port in USB 2.0; 6 (900 mA) in USB 3.0. There are two types of devices: low-power and high-power. A low-power device draws at most 1 unit load, with minimum operating voltage of 4.4 V in USB 2.0, and 4 V in USB 3.0. A high-power device draws the maximum number of unit loads permitted by the standard. Every device functions initially as low-power but the device may request high-power and will get it if the power is available on the providing bus.

So 2.5w for 3.5gh/s maximum if usb 2.0 device, if usb 3.0 device then 4.5w maximum.

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Quote from: Tachikoma on June 22, 2012, 04:23:59 PM

Quote from: coblee on June 22, 2012, 04:08:35 PM

How much power do these SC devices use?

I don't think there is any info about that yet, just that the Jalapeno is powered via USB so that's like 5V ?

Quoting from Wikipedia in regards to USB power limits:

Quote from: Wikipedia

The USB 1.x and 2.0 specifications provide a 5 V supply on a single wire from which connected USB devices may draw power. The specification provides for no more than 5.25 V and no less than 4.75 V (5 V±5%) between the positive and negative bus power lines. For USB 3.0, the voltage supplied by low-powered hub ports is 4.45–5.25 V.

A unit load is defined as 100 mA in USB 2.0, and 150 mA in USB 3.0. A device may draw a maximum of 5 unit loads (500 mA) from a port in USB 2.0; 6 (900 mA) in USB 3.0. There are two types of devices: low-power and high-power. A low-power device draws at most 1 unit load, with minimum operating voltage of 4.4 V in USB 2.0, and 4 V in USB 3.0. A high-power device draws the maximum number of unit loads permitted by the standard. Every device functions initially as low-power but the device may request high-power and will get it if the power is available on the providing bus.

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Quote from: coblee on June 22, 2012, 04:08:35 PM

How much power do these SC devices use?

I don't think there is any info about that yet, just that the Jalapeno is powered via USB so that's like 5V ?

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Quote from: SgtSpike on June 22, 2012, 04:04:32 PM

I think first come, first serve should be the method of madness. However, anyone who currently has a prior-gen single on order and wants to upgrade the order to SC should be shipped to first. Seems only fair, since they put down the money earlier.

That would be an interesting idea. Would mess with their single projections.

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How much power do these SC devices use?

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Quote from: DILLIGAF on June 22, 2012, 03:36:34 PM

Quote from: rjk on June 22, 2012, 03:30:48 PM

All the profit come from new customers without trades.

If you or anyone else actually believes that I have bridge in Brooklyn going real cheap..

Put on your reading glasses and stop misquoting me. I said that was my best guess, not that I believed any such thing. Since you seem to have inside information, would you care to share any more with us? Preferably in sentences that could be read easily, utilizing useful things such as punctuation.

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I think first come, first serve should be the method of madness. However, anyone who currently has a prior-gen single on order and wants to upgrade the order to SC should be shipped to first. Seems only fair, since they put down the money earlier.

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Quote from: allten on June 22, 2012, 03:55:05 PM

One idea I had was for each jalepeno that comes off the assembly line. goes directly to a mining pool ( I know you don't mine, but maybe you could team up with somebody who does). Each preorder would have a share into that pool. Once there's enough hardware to satisfy all the orders....boom! you ship 'em all out.

Bad idea.. I wouldn't want BFL distracted with powering and housing a farm of boxes. Receive parts, assemble, burn test for a day or two, ship. Their performance with the Single and their horrific PR hopefully are due to being overloaded so don't even consider pulling more time off to manage some sort of group hardware sharing thing.

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Quote from: BFL on June 22, 2012, 03:32:39 PM

We've been working with Bit-Pay for a BTC exclusive order form. This is meant to both promote the good services of Bit-Pay and give dedicated miners a bit of an advantage in getting in position. We'll have that posted later tonight.

Does this mean you will start the pre-orders tonight?

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Quote from: allten on June 22, 2012, 03:51:56 PM

Quote from: ice_chill on June 22, 2012, 03:46:40 PM

First come first serve is how it's always done .. why change it ?

Why should someone who paid 2 months ago receive later than someone who paid last week ?

Lets not turn business into gameshow.

Let's say they get a queue of 2000 thousand orders in one hour. Extreme probably, but who knows.
and then let's say they can only deliver 200 a week for the next 10 weeks.

See the problem now?

As far as I know they queue them up based on date and not hours, so the 2000 order that comes on day 1 will be shipped randomly, once they are all shipped, orders from day 2 will take over.

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One idea I had was for each jalepeno that comes off the assembly line. goes directly to a mining pool ( I know you don't mine, but maybe you could team up with somebody who does). Each preorder would have a share into that pool. Once there's enough hardware to satisfy all the orders....boom! you ship 'em all out.

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