Ukyo is just begging himself to be sued now.
I don't understand why he has said NOTHING in over 2 months now.
I've e-mailed him several times and he just stopped responding.
I'm willing to sign an NDA if it means he can share at least some of what is going on. Really, *anything* when it comes to the ukyo.loan funds.
Given that Ukyo still owes me about $150,000, it would definitely make sense for me to start talking to my lawyer.
Ukyo would have no option in that situation but to declare bankruptcy. He should at least be attempting to work with his creditors and coming up with some kind of plan to get at least some of his money back. He must realize we will not wait forever. I'm getting pretty pissed off.
He clearly wouldn't have to declare bankruptcy for that small sum $150 000/250 btc, but i guess the legal system would then have to look at all the money he owes to people and if he's possible investments he claims to have done haven't started to produce enough bitcoins yet it may be problematic for him if they can't handle his assets wisely until they do bare fruit, then all people he owes bitcoins may end up getting back less than 100% back.
@Seb: why send a letter to Oz and not the States?
Weexchange is registered in australia primarely, as far as i know. And i guess using an american lawyer will be costlier than an australian one when he gets what amount it is about. At the end i only want information first since i dont believe sueing simply will yield any good result.
weexchange and ukyo dont have money to be sued out of them. He does clearly have some holdings worth some amount of bitcoins, the easiest ones is whats tied to a public bitcoinadress known to had the 232 000 activeminer shares at bitfunders closure that belonged to ukyo, that adress, 1Mn65Q9Xm6NBoPdF8ppS3AzgRLt92ZKtTq also had other holdings:
ActiveMining 232,175 1Mn65Q9Xm6NBoPdF8ppS3AzgRLt92ZKtTq
ADDICTION 3,927 1Mn65Q9Xm6NBoPdF8ppS3AzgRLt92ZKtTq
BitPride 85,476 1Mn65Q9Xm6NBoPdF8ppS3AzgRLt92ZKtTq
BTCINVEST 96 1Mn65Q9Xm6NBoPdF8ppS3AzgRLt92ZKtTq
btcQuick 2,915,576 1Mn65Q9Xm6NBoPdF8ppS3AzgRLt92ZKtTq
CRYPTO.LTC 2 1Mn65Q9Xm6NBoPdF8ppS3AzgRLt92ZKtTq
DISCOVERY 10 1Mn65Q9Xm6NBoPdF8ppS3AzgRLt92ZKtTq
FIAT.AUD 1 1Mn65Q9Xm6NBoPdF8ppS3AzgRLt92ZKtTq
FIAT.USD 27 1Mn65Q9Xm6NBoPdF8ppS3AzgRLt92ZKtTq
Graet.Loan 979 1Mn65Q9Xm6NBoPdF8ppS3AzgRLt92ZKtTq
Kenilworth 25 1Mn65Q9Xm6NBoPdF8ppS3AzgRLt92ZKtTq
LabRatMining 15 1Mn65Q9Xm6NBoPdF8ppS3AzgRLt92ZKtTq
NEOBEE 116,667 1Mn65Q9Xm6NBoPdF8ppS3AzgRLt92ZKtTq
RentalStarter 9,505 1Mn65Q9Xm6NBoPdF8ppS3AzgRLt92ZKtTq
SatoshiPoker 4,000,000 1Mn65Q9Xm6NBoPdF8ppS3AzgRLt92ZKtTq
TU.SILVER 11 1Mn65Q9Xm6NBoPdF8ppS3AzgRLt92ZKtTq
Ukyo.Loan 7,695 1Mn65Q9Xm6NBoPdF8ppS3AzgRLt92ZKtTq
So if we take the last known price when Bitfunder closed or a later price if they have traded later on other exchanges or for those that haven't traded open just the buyprice we would get the following(i did count on it a few weeks ago so there may be slightly different prices on the stocks actively traded on exchanges now)
per share Btc total stock current status
satouchipoker 0,00008000 320 private
NEOBEE 0.00400000 466,668 Havelock
RENTAL STARTER 0.00579000 55,03395 Havelock
Graet.Loan 0,01 9,79 when graet gets back on track
ActiveMining 0,0006-0,005 139,305-1106,0875 BF 0,0009 Last price (Cryptotrade 0,005-0,0005/CS)
BTCQuick 0,00013? 379,02488 values will be payed back to shareholders in 6-12 months time
ADDICTION 0,007 27,489 private
BitPride 0,00000400 0,3419
PAYED OFF ukyo shares 76,95
tu.silver 0,0111 0,1221 Private usagi
LabRatMining 0,119 1,785
Kenilworth 0,00062-0,0018 0,0155 ?? maby havelock in the future
FIAT.USD 0,0012 0,0324
FIAT.AUD ? ?
DISCOVERY 0,0074 0,074
CRYPTO.LTC 0,019 0,038
BTCINVEST 0,1922 18,4512 Trade Fortress missing, some BTC from Kate/ciphermine holdings
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Total around 1495,1107 btc
and there have been some dividends after bitfunders closure.
per share btc total
dividend rentalstarter 0,00001310 0,1245155
dividend btcquick 0,00000008 0,23324608
dividend Addiction ? ?
Thats around 1500 btc for those holdings alone.
If Ukyo also had other accounts/public adresses with bitcoinstocks in them on Bitfunfer or stock holdings on other platforms like BTCT-CO i don't know but it seems very likely.
There has also been several threads on bitcointalk where people seems to connect A couple of transfers of ~5000-7000 btc on 2 occations to a mining company and a bitcoin mining hardware producer, whether they got things right when they traced the flow of bitcoins and it was in fact Ukyo buying shares off the open market in the mining company and/or buying mining hardware from the hardware producer i don't know, i guess only ukyo and the 2 company's can tell.
Clearly some positions would have to be sold off carefully, dumping shares on the market wouldn't do any good for the price Ukyo get's for the shares and other things thats not listed may take time to find a buyer at resonable prices and if he in fact has holdings in the mining company that has had some problems sofar those will at least start to generate some btc back now and if ukyo possibly have started to get miners in the 100's of TH they would resonable be producing a fair amount of BTC each day for him now then.
In Ukyo loan it's pretty simple math Ukyo owes people around (2000-76,95)*(1+(0,015*3,5))~2024 BTC
In the weexchange balance matter it's a bit harder to know as we don't know how much of it that belonged to ukyo and whether his and/or cryptosyprus balances was included in the 6.175%, but around (386/0,06175)-386 = 6251-386 = 5865 BTC
I really don't think it will be good for anyone if people started 20 different leagal processes agains Ukyo that would just mean more costs for all parts and less money left to those ukyo own money, ideally Ukyo, Graet and cryptocyprus would talk more openly about what is beeing done and if/what people can do to help Ukyo/Graet to get back on there feets and sort this out as fast as possible.
Well i guess the obvious would be if everyone in the bitcoin community would point one or more of there Bitcoin miners & Litecoin/scrypt miners to Graets Ozcoin pools
https://ozcoin.net/ and
https://lc.ozcoin.net/ ,there hashrate is a bit weak at the moment and i think Graet would need and appreciate all the help he could get and by helping Graet you would not only be helping Graet and Ukyo but also indirectly be helping the something like 200 people that loaned Graet and ukyo money in there loans and also be helping the unknown amount of people that have funds stuck in weexchange get there bitcoins back, witch in many cases would mean yourself to.
Maby someone that actually have got any information whatsoever outside of whats been said in the open on bitcointalk from Ukyo/Graet/cryptocyprus in this whole Ukyo loan/Graet Loan/Weexchange mess would care to share some light on what really is going on and not just claim they can't say anything either.