Topic: [BitFunder] Moving Forward/Resolution Process - page 20. (Read 292138 times)

And where's the "moving forward" progress? What happened to my money?

OP last logged in was today, last post he made was 9 March...

So? And then? What do you get from freezing the small money ukyo has? Or do you hope he lied and that the government somehow will be able to find a hidden bitcoin store? I dont see how this should happen. Lets say he still has 10,000USD... that would be 15.68BTC. He still owes 6000BTC from weexchange alone. Not to speak about ukyo loan. Lets say ukyo loan is another 4000BTC (i dont know how much it is really). So you would get 0.001568BTC per BTC owed. oO

So i dont get what freezing his accounts could help. Though i want to know what the problems are and depending on how ukyo behaves i will think about sueing him to get the information. At some point it doesnt make sense anymore to believe that something magically will happen to make the coins come back.

There should be no reason for you to do this, we have videoconferencing.

I am totally agree with this, and I will fly to Dallas by this sunday ,and have a pointment with a lawyer by the following Monday. I think I need someone to gathering all people to against Ukyo, not only myself. However because I am not living USA, It is really costly for me to fly from London to Dallas again and over again.

He owes me almost 4 BTC (Ukyo.Loan + bitfunder balance). I don't believe I'll ever see that money again, so I'd like to enter any class action lawsuit people start in the US.

I don't think I'm a good candidate for point of contact though.

Awfully quiet....

Here and with Ukyo.Loan, departed to tropical islands?

So, our man Lawsky, is opening the doors to prospective Bitcoin businesses, like exchanges etc. Although i believe Ukyo is applying in another country, why would Ukyo now need to jump through foreign "red tape" to be in a position to return our funds?
http://www.coindesk.com/new-york-accepting-applications-digital-currency-exchanges/

OR, if you believe no more funds will be returned, you have the choice to fill the void that incompetents leave behind.......

http://www.coindesk.com/us-securities-regulator-finra-warns-bitcoins-investment-risks/
"......FINRA, likewise, suggested it will be monitoring events in the digital currency space.

The regulatory body ended the release by encouraging those who have been defrauded by a securities professional or firm to file a complaint with its representatives or to contact its support lines with tips and information."

Your probably right, i'm not familiar with exactly how they work in the USA or what agency it is that issues them, i'm just aware of there excistance and that there is similar things with some patents/inventions in the USA where inventors is not allowed to talk/write about there inventions/patents or even the restriction in there freedom of speak itself.

As far as I know, (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong anyone), gag orders don't work like that.

Unless you are talking about the NSA / CIA or something. You don't get 'gag orders' from the FBI or FINCEN or a private company or whomever that don't allow you to even mention that they are involved and would involve seizing deposits, that is illegal. For the most part, gag orders mean you can talk about any details about a situation that has legal ramifications.  They do not mean, or extend, to not even being able to even mention that a law enforcement agency is involved or a court case is on-going.  And a gag order would certainly not be imposed that would allow you to stay in business and collect users deposits without being able to talk about a legal situation that means you can not return those deposits. That's really far-fetched.

I think that only cryptocyprus, Ukyo & Graet can answer that, as there probably the only ones with knowledge about whats going on.

But possible reason for such statement could be that cryptocyprus signed some confidentiallity agreement with Ukyo before getting involved.
Another possibillity would be if bitfunder/weexchange was a victim for some sort of criminal fraud that resulted in them loosing control of some funds and that some government agencys is involved in the matter to get the funds back and that anyone involed is under gag order until things is cleared up.

what could that mean?

Edelson is highly recommended. They are technologists and know about bitcoin.
They are also taking care of the class action claim against MtGox.
Will easily organize a group action claim against Montroll/Bitfunder/Weex.
Very much recommended to get a group claim going right now before this issue is lost in oblivion.

chsados mentioned over in the "[ActiveMining] Official Shareholder Discussion Thread" that he made initial contackts with a lawfirm that has an office in denver.

Maby they can help you out to:

http://www.edelson.com/
999 18th Street
Suite 3000
Denver, CO 80202
Tel: (303) 357-4878
Fax: (303) 446-9111

or you might whanna hear with hear with chsados https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/chsados-49210 first how he went about to get there attention.

EDIT: oups it was dallas you wanted not denver, well they have offices in chicago and carlifornia to if that is of any help

350 North LaSalle, 13th floor
Chicago, IL 60654
Tel: (312) 589-6370
Fax: (312) 589-6378
California

555 West Fifth Street, 31st Floor
Los Angeles, California 90013
Tel: (213) 533-4100
Fax: (213) 947-4251

Ok thats goot to know. 
A not to wild guess would be that Msatori or the lawfirm he represents does or have done some work for the gov to straight up things in the btcsector and that he therefore can't get to involved in things like weexchange/bitfunder or maby it's because ukyo has claims on some company that may have been in the gray-zone on what was legal or not before there were clear guidelines on how things in the USA would apply to the btcsector.

SebastianJu already contacted MSantori and he said that can't deal with the Ukyo's case, it is not clear why.

I wish you good luck SOSLOVE, comes back with bitcoin or send him the lannister's regards 

If you have a hard time getting lawyers interested in the case maby you should tone down the fact that the matter involves Bitcoins in the first contact with the lawyers and rather mention weexchange just as a payment processor, possibly even point at the high amount of USD(equivalent) that is at stake to get them interested first.
 
Im sure there must be lawyers in the usa that is interested in helping clients on cases involving 100 000's or even millions of USD if seen over all clients in possible groupcase(weechange balanceholders & Ukyo loan) vs Ukyo/weexchange, there is several thousend btc's involved, 2000 btc(2 million usd @ 1000 usd/BTC, where we probably in the near future will be back at again) in ukyo loan alone for example, in case things cant be settled in a better way before.

SOSLOVE868 maby you can ask MSantori https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/msantori-118100 here on the forum, he is a us lawyer, so maby even if he may not be able to take your case he may know lawyers that is open to taking on bitcoincases, he seems to be logging into the forum quite ofthen  last logged in March 07, 2014. but he's not posing anymore, last post October 25, 2013, thats a bit strange, maby he's already involved in some high profile case in the bitcoinworld, possibly even ukyo's, in that case you may have to take his posible advises in the matter with a grain of salt if it's possible he reppresents the opposite part.

Hopefully this weexchange/ukyo loan  matter can be solved without it having to go to court thou.

Dear lovely Bitcoiner:
  I am plan to fly to Dallas on next Monday, before that I really hope to find a lawyer to discuss about this issue . however I have send out plenty of consultation requests form to these law firm companies in Dallas, none of them had been reply-ed. I am really kindly asking all of people who watching this thread to introduce a lawyer in Dallas to me ,I will try my best to helping us makes Ukyo pay us back through legally matter, to deserve what he should .

Thanks

Yuan

I would like to know if Danny is planning to make everyone at Neo & Bee, except for anyone who works there, to work on ensuring Mt. Gox investors also get paid?  Because that would be great publicity, like it was last time.

This what I am thought too, Ukyo should at least let us know what's wrong with our money?
 this is totally unacceptable that he keeps in silent.