bitHopper: Python Pool Hopper Proxy - page 114.

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http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=32664.0

Is this information helpful in optimizing hopping. It's comparable to pident and appears to be somewhat related to the new poclbm-autohop method. Seems we need a missionary to reach out to Grinder. gnaget of course comes to mind. Can we knight him our missionary-ambassador? His conversion is so compelling

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missed out on 2 bclc rounds so far because the json is broken. Looks like its time to go back to regex.

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Quote from: joulesbeef on July 31, 2011, 12:44:47 PM

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Maybe he isn't unethical

then you dont know his history.. but hey nothing wrong with trying huh.

Maybe gnaget can write him an epistle.

From a technical perspective we could patch so that if json <> regex use higher number or use most recently changed by an amount calculated from Gh/s and time since last update.

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Maybe he isn't unethical

then you dont know his history.. but hey nothing wrong with trying huh.

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Quote from: hawks5999 on July 31, 2011, 12:07:17 PM

Maybe we should formally submit a bug report to bclc opper. Maybe he isn't unethical and he just needs to patch his software.

EDIT: never ascribe to malice what can equally be explained by incompetence.

Of course any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice.

I commented here:

http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=10121.msg415673#msg415673

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Maybe we should formally submit a bug report to bclc opper. Maybe he isn't unethical and he just needs to patch his software.

EDIT: never ascribe to malice what can equally be explained by incompetence.

Of course any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice.

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Is it that bitcoins.lc gets messed up after a huge round for a while? I don't understand the shares sticking at exactly 126183 everytime.

The api properly detected a new round but then stopped when it got to 126183 shares. Weird.

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Quote from: MaGNeT on July 31, 2011, 11:37:00 AM

Quote from: joulesbeef on July 31, 2011, 11:16:32 AM

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How are payouts calculated?

does mineco.in now work with mine_slush?

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Mineco.in

We are now trialing a PPLNS reward scheme.

Who does this benefit?

In brief, this benefits 24/7 miners whilst still allowing others to get rewards for their work, but their rewards will start decreasing once they leave the pool.

PPLNS is fine.
Using the word "whilst" - unforgivable.

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Quote from: joulesbeef on July 31, 2011, 11:16:32 AM

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How are payouts calculated?

does mineco.in now work with mine_slush?

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Mineco.in

We are now trialing a PPLNS reward scheme.

Who does this benefit?

In brief, this benefits 24/7 miners whilst still allowing others to get rewards for their work, but their rewards will start decreasing once they leave the pool.

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Quote from: hawks5999 on July 31, 2011, 11:19:12 AM

Quote from: Clipse on July 31, 2011, 10:52:51 AM

Quote from: muyoso on July 31, 2011, 10:32:00 AM

Quote from: bitcoindaddy on July 31, 2011, 10:30:06 AM

Is bitcoins.lc playing games again? - web site says 9,987,464 rounds, json says 138,973

Maybe, or they could just be delaying the update on the website. They usually delay stats updates for 0-3600 seconds. If it reaches 200-250k shares and the website doesn't update then there is probably trickery afoot.

Yea, there is trickery I think. I remember the 126183 number from last time he started messing around. Apparently he set the same number of shares this time. Weird. I disabled them for the moment.

I think he is fking around so hoppers would help with the longer round.

Ironically, if he didn't fk around he'd probably get mine_charity miners.
Seems to me the question of ethics is being turned around. Faking stats is now the unethical thing, hopping is just an alternative lifestyle.

Although, don't use mine_charity yet, there is a bug with it and they don't get picked up for regular mining. Its fixed, just waiting for it to get picked up by c00w

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Quote from: joulesbeef on July 31, 2011, 11:16:32 AM

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How are payouts calculated?
We use the Pay Per Last N Shares method to calculate payouts when a round ends.

well crap.. I wonder when they did that, cause I have zero coin there and I know I have mined there. I was on united miners before c00w added them officially to the hopper.

it sorta annoys me a bit, as I warned the guy that we were coming, cause his site claims all kinds of fault tolerance. He thanked me both in the forum and via email... but he couldnt tell us he was changing payment methods?

or did we hop without looking?I know i did, someone said they were good to hop so I added them.

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Testing PPLNS on the dev site Fri, 29 Jul 2011 02:06:17 +0000

I guess they just added it.. or will add it shortly

eh

WE NEED MORE proportional pools

does mineco.in now work with mine_slush?

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?oe=UTF-8&hl=en&q=cache:lNdyqYfgG74J:unitedminers.com/?action%3Dfaq
Yep on July 28 it was prop. Changed mid block. Another unethical pool op-per. Wink

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Well it now seems the json isnt updating but the webstats is fixed(he had some downtime few mins ago to fix that)

prob best to just disable for now since its allready pass 43% for this round.

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Quote from: Clipse on July 31, 2011, 10:52:51 AM

Quote from: muyoso on July 31, 2011, 10:32:00 AM

Quote from: bitcoindaddy on July 31, 2011, 10:30:06 AM

Is bitcoins.lc playing games again? - web site says 9,987,464 rounds, json says 138,973

Maybe, or they could just be delaying the update on the website. They usually delay stats updates for 0-3600 seconds. If it reaches 200-250k shares and the website doesn't update then there is probably trickery afoot.

Yea, there is trickery I think. I remember the 126183 number from last time he started messing around. Apparently he set the same number of shares this time. Weird. I disabled them for the moment.

I think he is fking around so hoppers would help with the longer round.

Ironically, if he didn't fk around he'd probably get mine_charity miners.
Seems to me the question of ethics is being turned around. Faking stats is now the unethical thing, hopping is just an alternative lifestyle.

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moOo

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How are payouts calculated?
We use the Pay Per Last N Shares method to calculate payouts when a round ends.

well crap.. I wonder when they did that, cause I have zero coin there and I know I have mined there. I was on united miners before c00w added them officially to the hopper.

it sorta annoys me a bit, as I warned the guy that we were coming, cause his site claims all kinds of fault tolerance. He thanked me both in the forum and via email... but he couldnt tell us he was changing payment methods?

or did we hop without looking?I know i did, someone said they were good to hop so I added them.

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Testing PPLNS on the dev site Fri, 29 Jul 2011 02:06:17 +0000

I guess they just added it.. or will add it shortly

eh

WE NEED MORE proportional pools

does mineco.in now work with mine_slush?

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Looks like its afterall just the webpage stats that is fked at bitcoins.lc, just got paid for the long block and its still counting on the webpage.

I think the json is accurate and we are in a new block actually.

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Quote from: macboy80 on July 31, 2011, 04:48:33 AM

Did anyone catch this?

From the UnitedMiners FAQ http://www.unitedminers.com:83/?action=faq

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How are payouts calculated?
We use the Pay Per Last N Shares method to calculate payouts when a round ends.

I think he sneaked that one in there while we weren't looking. Angry

Time to add on the fly payout type to web interface? Click -> PPLNS -> Ok
Save c00w from having to change code when pools pull this.

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Quote from: muyoso on July 31, 2011, 10:32:00 AM

Quote from: bitcoindaddy on July 31, 2011, 10:30:06 AM

Is bitcoins.lc playing games again? - web site says 9,987,464 rounds, json says 138,973

Maybe, or they could just be delaying the update on the website. They usually delay stats updates for 0-3600 seconds. If it reaches 200-250k shares and the website doesn't update then there is probably trickery afoot.

Yea, there is trickery I think. I remember the 126183 number from last time he started messing around. Apparently he set the same number of shares this time. Weird. I disabled them for the moment.

I think he is fking around so hoppers would help with the longer round.

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Quote from: bitcoindaddy on July 31, 2011, 10:30:06 AM

Is bitcoins.lc playing games again? - web site says 9,987,464 rounds, json says 138,973

Maybe, or they could just be delaying the update on the website. They usually delay stats updates for 0-3600 seconds. If it reaches 200-250k shares and the website doesn't update then there is probably trickery afoot.

Yea, there is trickery I think. I remember the 126183 number from last time he started messing around. Apparently he set the same number of shares this time. Weird. I disabled them for the moment.

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Running the latest c00w hopper and I see that the "Exp" value is your current shares divided by difficulty. Wouldn't it be better to do your current shares divided by the total shares of the pool instead? That way at anytime you could glance to see how much your shares are really worth.

Would be awesome to have a total at the bottom as well where your "Total Expected:" earnings could be added.

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Is bitcoins.lc playing games again? - web site says 9,987,464 rounds, json says 138,973, but bithopper says 126183 blocks!

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