Topic: BITMAIN announces Antpool - page 24. (Read 382888 times)

Well, when I mine, I like to get the best bang for my buck.
Right now, I have moved to Discus Fish since they have merged mining, I think this makes it worth the 4% fee since I sit on the coin.
I will spend this day to decide on which pool I will move my mining assets too, right now, DF seems to be logical until I make a long term decision.
Not a lot of time to move my miners, let alone talk on this forum, so when I pick one, it will be there until I find a fault.
I'm just s small home miner with still a few breakers to fill, not going to make much of a difference.

I have no problems with AntPool, I never had payment issues... compared to GHash for example.
Plus I like the fee-free PPLNS and the optional 2.5% PPS, I went to DF only because they offer merge mining of NMC and HUC, a nice little side investment.
I left DF when it became too big and mined at AntPool when it opened since I liked their layout; but I dislike daily payments.
My problem with small pools is that you lose that big pool fluidity and the prettier, easy to use and find-your-shit websites.
BitMinter is bang on, love this pool, Doc Haribo is bang on... I mined there a lot in my earlier days of mining but I tend get fixated on the dials; however, I found rewards higher than average.
However, if you want all perks, you have to pay the fees and the "N" value is rather high; I'm not a fan of paying fees, let alone more than one.
I prefer only cashing out once a week or whatever rather than daily tho, I like that freedom to choose between options.

I like mining PPS because it is stable and I am a career miner... long ago, I did predict that PPS would overtake PPLNS in the preferred work payment method; I stand corrected.
Right now, I am investigating other pools however, I do feel like home at AntPool, since all my miners are now AntMiners, pains me to leave, I found my first ever Bitcoin block last week.  
Too bad it wasn't solo but I couldn't have done it on my own, that's for sure.

I'll spend a few hours investigating smaller pools again, I mined pretty much every pool, been mining for going on 3 years now.
Not a bad idea to freshen up a bit on things, been mining at AntPool since it pretty much opened its doors to the public; but it's pretty much a pool for HashNest.
That was my plan for today, they just put it in overdrive.

I agree with you d57heinz about the key points of antpool being bad for many reaons and miners should support smaller pools like kano or bitminter or jonnys pool etc... . one thing to note though is that the restarts kano has been doing recently (with plenty of advanced notice) haven't affected mining and has only affected the website stats (for that short period of the restart) Other things mostly outside of kano's control have been the causes of the occasional miner disconnects. I also believe he still has room to grow.

But yes, people reading these posts please do seriously consider choosing a smaller pool that serves the interest of its miners and the Bitcoin network.

d57heinz, Antpool is the worst offender of empty blocks in the entire bitcoin world.  I started a thread months ago about empty blocks and back then called out the big offenders.

Either Antpool doesn't have the talent to fix the problem with their pool, they don't give a shit about it, or both.  People need to stop mining here and point their hash somewhere else.  bravo-mining.com could use the influx of hash.  BCMonster is another pool looking for miners.  DrHaribo's pool is a great recommendation as well.  Don't forget mmpool and of course kano's pool.  So many good choices for people...

Please move your machines over to Bitminter:).  Ive been monitoring his site for the last month.. No restarts.  Steady block finds.. And they have been mining since 2011
Here is the thread.. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitminter-bitcoin-mining-pool-shutdown-mining-2020-07-01-website-2021-06-01-788753..  I promoted kano pool for a long time but i feel he has grown close to capacity.  Having to restart the servers often.. (not that it effects performance of block finds but it does disconnect miners).  Bitminter is currently 4.4 petahash and could use a nice boost like kano has received in the past couple months.  Need to keep supporting the small pools and help them grow.. they are the ones that are including the transactions.. Sadly Antpool has their head so far up their ass that they no longer see the light of day.  If you look here this is what pisses me off with all the politics being unnecessarily brought into bitcoin.. If antpool would just fill all their blocks they mined empty in the last week alone it would make up 45000 transactions at 1800 trans per block.https://btc.com/en/stats/pool?pool_mode=week. antpool mined 25 empty blocks.>  ANTPOOL needs to figure out how to fill their blocks or they have to drop their share of the network since its crippling it  Let us not forget the network is only as strong as its weakest link!!!.. All the bickering and bs about needing larger blocks isnt necessary if the big players on the network did what they are required of to participate.> Soon id say we should start talking about how to reject empty blocks when the mempool has any transactions.> Problem solved.  No need for a block if their isnt anything new to add to the blockchain.

Antpool get your shit together!  

Best Regards
d57heinz

Edit looking here i notice a trend of antpool finding more and more empty blocks.. Over three hundred in the last 3 months.> Pathetic!!!   More than enough to cover the backlog and then some .... WTF

start here https://btc.com/en/stats/pool?pool_mode=month3 and click your way down to 24 hour and watch the percentage of empty blocks rise!!

and btcc also starting to trend upwards.. both of them avg under 800 kb a block. 
   Pool   Hash Rate Share   Hash Rate   Blocks Found   Empty Blocks Percentage   Avg. Block Size (Bytes)   Avg. Tx Fees Per Block (BTC)   Tx Fees % of Block Reward
2   AntPool     23.85 %   267.74 PH/s   31                                 19.35 %   723,123                                        0.31806409                   1.27 %
3   BTCC               15.38 %   172.73 PH/s   20                                  5.00 %   781,928                                        0.31814662                   1.27 %

It's because of their lousy code, plain and simple.  They maintain an awful fork of cgminer that they insist on including with every piece of hardware they sell.  They claim support for p2pool, and even have a forked repository with some code - that hasn't been touched since 2014 and didn't work when they released it.

If only more people saw the light and pointed their hash away from this (and other big, bad-for-bitcoin pools) and took a chance on the smaller ones like mine.  I manage to include a full set of transactions in every block and am consistently benchmarked either right ahead of, or right behind kano and -ck's pools in terms of block propagation speed across the network - both of whom's pools also always include a full transaction set and are completely verified.

So, take up the call and point your gear away from these greedy, bad-for-bitcoin pools and point it to a smaller pool.  Help the little guys grow.  Help decentralize the network.  Help Bitcoin.

There is no good/acceptable reason at all. Not including Bitcoin transactions goes directly against what Bitcoin is about. I am glad you see that you cannot mine here in good conscience and I hope other miners follow suit or Antpool change their ways (either is acceptable to me  ).

Some people claim its because of the great firewall but truth is its all about maximizing their profits and getting as many blocks as quickly possible. Not including transactions is seen as being a quicker way to relay found blocks but other pools like kano and ck process full blocks quicker than antpool do empty blocks. The other thing with antpool (and others) is the SPV mining too. I hope pool miners on antpool experience delays in paying/receiving BTC so they can see the effect mining empty blocks has. Funnily enough Antpool doesn't even include their own transactions in their blocks  

Is there a reason why AntPool has only (1) transactions to blocks when all others have thousands??
https://btc.com/en/block/00000000000000000363bf2270c309562d5d4a2124f2f99bb9acbf820a254aa0
https://btc.com/en/block/000000000000000004c6ad0fd82fe1276afb33128f96552542ea29b29d7f6df3
Two blocks, in less than an hour with 1 transaction each.

We're "only" 25,000 transactions behind, is there a reason for this?
Seriously, I cannot in good conscience mine here until this problem is resolved. 
It's nice to find blocks but not if you hogtie the network.
Right now, you're a busted leg on the network, you're not even needed if you're not moving transactions.
Not like there is a lack of them.

https://btc.com/en/

Goodbye (再见) AntPool.  Hello Kano!

Lately it seems that only half of my antminers will stay connected to AntPool.  The rest fall off to secondary pool.

Does AntPool all of a sudden have a limit to the number of machines you can have connected?  I have 110 total.

Anyone else experiencing problems like this?

Does any have an idea how i can register with antpool ??

As I understand they spv mine through the Great Firewall of China. Kano has a link to a thread a couple of pages back where he has very strong opinions about it. With larger blocks this would be less of a problem though.

Oh, good points; can we be more surgical and blacklist just blocks below some threshold in size from anyone?  Hmm, unless the mempool is low enough then small or empty blocks are ok.  Hmm, filling up a block with junk transactions isn't what we want.  Oh, maybe their mempool was low at the moment due to something, e.g. network issues.  Hey, this might not be an easy issue.

Sure, you can blacklist them I guess. Might want to blacklist f2pool as well. They produce a lot of empty blocks. Maybe just blacklist all blocks originating from China. That way we'll be safe from chinese government interference. Probably best to blacklist Bitfurys blocks as well. They're originally a russian company. We all know the russians haven't been friendly to crypto. Then, of course, we'd have to blacklist Tor addresses and known vpn providers. That's a lot of blacklisting! Probably best to just have a closed network of approved nodes and transaction verification services. Something like ripple might do the trick. Or maybe just Hyperledger? Oh no! It's crap!

So, will Antpool die naturally or will it need help?

Is it possible to modify/enhance Bitcoin to reject/ignore blocks from Antpool?  If we don't forward their crap empty blocks then no one will build on top of them, right?

And the rewards are down by a mile. Think a 4 times what they were 3 months ago slowly decreasing each day on there hashnest. Users hasn't increased, Farm hasn't increased so where's the money going

Here's a bit of ethics that should always be followed. You don't sell a product that has a money value and then compete against your customers. Bitmain runs antpool which they also run hashnest on and there own personal farms. Effectively the guy wants it all. He may have spent money setting it up but typical greedy douchebag and I bet Genesis are the same.

HASHNEST: LOWER PAYOUTS, HIGHER MAINTENANCE CHARGES & HIGHER ELECTRICITY CHARGES. THERE OUT TO SCREW EVERYONE BEFORE THE HALVING.

Pool front end down, right?

Yeah, I was actually excited about that. I'd used p2pool before when I was GPU mining so when I ordered an S5 and when it arrived went to their website and saw all the stuff about p2pool and how they had one...

Oh well, best run decentralized anyway

yes also a fork of the network. forgot that BIG one lol.. Thanks:)

Their lies of supporting p2pool......

You think its bad here .Check out the latest posts on bitmain talk..  If i was anyone of anyone and had any money in hashnest id be pulling it out.. They seem to be on a rather slippery slope as of late..  

Lets see if i got it right..

1)Support has always been shit.

2)Send us the junk miners of their farms.  2 week or longer turn around time when they inevitably break due to being used or just piss poorly made.. ON TIME sensitive machines no less

3)No compensation from batch 1 fiasco of s7

4)Gouging on miner price when they know they are only good for 6 months tops!  roi is over 9 months to a year

5)Spv mining

6)mining empty blocks or ones that are half full which isnt any better when the network is backlogged  Transaction Ages 379h 45m 56s  Thats how far back we are!!!  and its ever increasing as the majority of hash is in pool that practice bad network behaviour.   Thankfully we have pools that see Satoshi's vision and fill the blocks or we would be far worse in backlogged transactions..

At this point id be alarmed as hell at the past record bitmain has been showing.. The pattern should be becoming much more apparent..  Like my dad always said.. Money talks Bullshit walks.

Let me know if ive missed anything

Best Regards
d57heinz