Topic: Bitmain Introduces the S19 and S19 Pro (Read 4803 times)
Yikes... needs 415V 3 phase and water supply, dry-cooler, or cooling tower. Seems like the infrastructure would cost just about the same as immersion but no ability to go back to air cooling for resale.
Bitmain has introduced a new model of a miner with a liquid cooling system Antminer S19 Pro+ Hyd as the manufacturer reports, its stated hashrate should be 198 TH/s with a consumption of 5445 Watts, the price is not called, shipment is planned for the period from May to September 2022. https://shop.bitmain.com/product/detail?pid=00020220105112318868myo6YbOL06D3
It sure is a long lead time to Q3/Q4 2022..
They opened the future order sales https://mobile.twitter.com/Antminer_main/status/1458496251062730753
They opened the future order sales https://mobile.twitter.com/Antminer_main/status/1458496251062730753
lol - July to September next year, someone clearly needed some marketing news.
I wonder which it is:
1) blatant marketing and nothing more
2) they'll be mining with them for a year before selling them to everyone else
3) TSMC told them to fuck off and wait til late next year before they'll do any wafers for them
So ... we guessing Oct/Nov so about a year from now?
I wonder which it is:
1) blatant marketing and nothing more
2) they'll be mining with them for a year before selling them to everyone else
3) TSMC told them to fuck off and wait til late next year before they'll do any wafers for them
So ... we guessing Oct/Nov so about a year from now?
Bitmain will release the Antminer S19XP model based on 5 nm chips from TSMC. The new generation of devices will provide a hashrate of 150 TH/s with consumption of 3225W and energy efficiency of 21.5 J/TH, the start of deliveries is expected from July to September 2022.
So a 1 speed 3300 watt miner.
I would have liked more then one speed setting.
These will be a hard sell item with coins under 9000 and the 1/2 ing right around the corner.
I would have liked more then one speed setting.
These will be a hard sell item with coins under 9000 and the 1/2 ing right around the corner.
1 speed you said? Not anymore
(Screenshot taken from S19 pro running Braiins OS+)
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Looks like a long hot summer.
With lower difficulty staying under 20t easily.
once the current drop happens to 15.9 regrowth will be very slow until the fall.
So I will earn more coins this summer.
Just not sure if the coins will stay over 30k.
I very much doubt it will stay low for very long.Looks like a long hot summer.
With lower difficulty staying under 20t easily.
once the current drop happens to 15.9 regrowth will be very slow until the fall.
So I will earn more coins this summer.
Just not sure if the coins will stay over 30k.
Miners are being moved, not thrown away.
And since this thread is about the S19, I'm certain none of them will be thrown away for quite some time.
Even with all this happening, the BTC price is still well above last year and well above the ATH from before last year.
(also this belongs in Mining speculation)
Global Suspension Announcement of Antminer Spot Sales
https://blog.bitmain.com/en/global-suspension-announcement-of-antminer-spot-sales/
https://blog.bitmain.com/en/global-suspension-announcement-of-antminer-spot-sales/
Quote
Dear Valued Antminer Users，
In recent times, Chinese customers have been reselling miners to withdraw funds or reduce the time that their mining hardware remains in China. However, the setup of mining farms does not happen overnight, and the second-hand market is under pressure. To assist the industry towards a smooth transition, Antminer has temporarily decided to suspend global spot sales.
Kindly note that customers who have already placed previous orders will not be affected. Bitmain will continue to sell futures orders from September onwards. The suspension of spot sales shall be from June to August.
At the start of the year, the market demand of miners was high, and supply was low. Thanks to Bitmain’s R&D and supply chain teams’ efforts, Antminer has achieved the increased production capacity for the future.
Faced with the difficulties during the pandemic, Bitmain employees have risen to the recent challenge and urgently traveled overseas to the US, Canada, Australia, Russia, Belarus, Sweden, Norway, Kazakhstan, Angola, Congo, Indonesia, and other countries to help customers source high-quality power resources for the industry.
The development of Bitmain is inseparable from the support of its customers. Bitmain adheres to the values of “long-term, loyal, and a win-win” while striving to cope with the industry changes, together with our partners.
In recent times, Chinese customers have been reselling miners to withdraw funds or reduce the time that their mining hardware remains in China. However, the setup of mining farms does not happen overnight, and the second-hand market is under pressure. To assist the industry towards a smooth transition, Antminer has temporarily decided to suspend global spot sales.
Kindly note that customers who have already placed previous orders will not be affected. Bitmain will continue to sell futures orders from September onwards. The suspension of spot sales shall be from June to August.
At the start of the year, the market demand of miners was high, and supply was low. Thanks to Bitmain’s R&D and supply chain teams’ efforts, Antminer has achieved the increased production capacity for the future.
Faced with the difficulties during the pandemic, Bitmain employees have risen to the recent challenge and urgently traveled overseas to the US, Canada, Australia, Russia, Belarus, Sweden, Norway, Kazakhstan, Angola, Congo, Indonesia, and other countries to help customers source high-quality power resources for the industry.
The development of Bitmain is inseparable from the support of its customers. Bitmain adheres to the values of “long-term, loyal, and a win-win” while striving to cope with the industry changes, together with our partners.
Looks like a long hot summer.
With lower difficulty staying under 20t easily.
once the current drop happens to 15.9 regrowth will be very slow until the fall.
So I will earn more coins this summer.
Just not sure if the coins will stay over 30k.
Global Suspension Announcement of Antminer Spot Sales
https://blog.bitmain.com/en/global-suspension-announcement-of-antminer-spot-sales/
https://blog.bitmain.com/en/global-suspension-announcement-of-antminer-spot-sales/
Quote
Dear Valued Antminer Users，
In recent times, Chinese customers have been reselling miners to withdraw funds or reduce the time that their mining hardware remains in China. However, the setup of mining farms does not happen overnight, and the second-hand market is under pressure. To assist the industry towards a smooth transition, Antminer has temporarily decided to suspend global spot sales.
Kindly note that customers who have already placed previous orders will not be affected. Bitmain will continue to sell futures orders from September onwards. The suspension of spot sales shall be from June to August.
At the start of the year, the market demand of miners was high, and supply was low. Thanks to Bitmain’s R&D and supply chain teams’ efforts, Antminer has achieved the increased production capacity for the future.
Faced with the difficulties during the pandemic, Bitmain employees have risen to the recent challenge and urgently traveled overseas to the US, Canada, Australia, Russia, Belarus, Sweden, Norway, Kazakhstan, Angola, Congo, Indonesia, and other countries to help customers source high-quality power resources for the industry.
The development of Bitmain is inseparable from the support of its customers. Bitmain adheres to the values of “long-term, loyal, and a win-win” while striving to cope with the industry changes, together with our partners.
In recent times, Chinese customers have been reselling miners to withdraw funds or reduce the time that their mining hardware remains in China. However, the setup of mining farms does not happen overnight, and the second-hand market is under pressure. To assist the industry towards a smooth transition, Antminer has temporarily decided to suspend global spot sales.
Kindly note that customers who have already placed previous orders will not be affected. Bitmain will continue to sell futures orders from September onwards. The suspension of spot sales shall be from June to August.
At the start of the year, the market demand of miners was high, and supply was low. Thanks to Bitmain’s R&D and supply chain teams’ efforts, Antminer has achieved the increased production capacity for the future.
Faced with the difficulties during the pandemic, Bitmain employees have risen to the recent challenge and urgently traveled overseas to the US, Canada, Australia, Russia, Belarus, Sweden, Norway, Kazakhstan, Angola, Congo, Indonesia, and other countries to help customers source high-quality power resources for the industry.
The development of Bitmain is inseparable from the support of its customers. Bitmain adheres to the values of “long-term, loyal, and a win-win” while striving to cope with the industry changes, together with our partners.
Bitmain reduced the price of Antminer devices by 20% amid the fall in the bitcoin exchange rate and criticism of mining by the Chinese authorities, and due to the fact that some Bitmain customers demanded a refund of the prepayment for the equipment. I wonder how the prices of resellers will change.
Hi!
I saw the blog post that indicated order by email. After satisfying their authentication requirements, has anybody actually successfully ordered their S19j?
Thanks!
I saw the blog post that indicated order by email. After satisfying their authentication requirements, has anybody actually successfully ordered their S19j?
Thanks!
Last batch had a MOQ of 200 units, so its probably only scalpers buying.
You can see all the resellers currently selling $4K miners for $10-12K
Hi!
I saw the blog post that indicated order by email. After satisfying their authentication requirements, has anybody actually successfully ordered their S19j?
Thanks!
I saw the blog post that indicated order by email. After satisfying their authentication requirements, has anybody actually successfully ordered their S19j?
Thanks!
For October ffs
Looks like another batch dropping tonight... 1AM EST. The press release says to email, so looks like it will be the same as last batch that never showed up on the website.
https://blog.bitmain.com/en/the-second-batch-of-antminer-s19j-will-officially-go-on-sale-on-march-02/
https://blog.bitmain.com/en/the-second-batch-of-antminer-s19j-will-officially-go-on-sale-on-march-02/
Some bitmain employee named nathaniel posted about these on the bitmain telegram channel https://t.me/bitmain
apparently these are $5k a piece and they were sold over email with an MOQ for 200 units.
apparently these are $5k a piece and they were sold over email with an MOQ for 200 units.
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They never went on sale. Never got listed on the website. Just the two tweets saying they would. I was curious of what price they would be listing at.
And you are correct, board level testing seems more likely. I just have this image in my head of some employee sweeping up reject chips from the factory floor into a dust pan and asking the boss what do do with them. And the boss says, " save them, we'll put them in the next batch and name that run something different".
I think it's ridicculous that they even keep the web shop open because nowadays they don't have anything for sale most of the time, and when they do, the lead time is like 1/2 years.
They should just shut down the web shop.
They should just shut down the web shop.
Did these ever come up for sale? The Bitmain webpage still shows only the sold-out August batch. I'm interested in seeing what price they are asking for a miner you won't see for 7 months. And do they require you to pay 100% upfront?
I think how they have done this in the past is at the hashboard level. Probably just too costly to try to characterize each chip individually. They test every hashboard individually at a series of different voltage/frequency settings and then combine "compatible" ones to get Pro/non-Pro, or different hashrates. For instance, the S17 and S17 pro hashboards are identical and use the exact same ASIC chip. For the S17+ hashboards I've seen they even have a label on the hashboard indicating what test level it passed at, L1 through L7. This is why aftermarket firmware can get such great results, they tune at the chip level instead of the board level.
There is always a range with these things due to process variation at the fab. Intel does the same with it's CPUs, the 2Ghz and 3Ghz models are exactly the same chip, one just hit the top of the curve and the other the bottom. So not really a quality issue, more just process drift and transistors that switch just slightly slower and/or less efficiently.
I suspect they collected all the imperfect chips previously set aside, not good enough for the s19 or s19pro......and threw them in a box to sell as the s19j.....to salvage income from the imperfect parts. (Reminds me of packaging burnt potato chips or pretzel pieces and selling them as a unique product).
I think how they have done this in the past is at the hashboard level. Probably just too costly to try to characterize each chip individually. They test every hashboard individually at a series of different voltage/frequency settings and then combine "compatible" ones to get Pro/non-Pro, or different hashrates. For instance, the S17 and S17 pro hashboards are identical and use the exact same ASIC chip. For the S17+ hashboards I've seen they even have a label on the hashboard indicating what test level it passed at, L1 through L7. This is why aftermarket firmware can get such great results, they tune at the chip level instead of the board level.
There is always a range with these things due to process variation at the fab. Intel does the same with it's CPUs, the 2Ghz and 3Ghz models are exactly the same chip, one just hit the top of the curve and the other the bottom. So not really a quality issue, more just process drift and transistors that switch just slightly slower and/or less efficiently.
If anyone manages to catch the price and ship date, please share.
I'm working the overnight shift. I'll post when I see something.
2hrs ago, they said on Twitter, a ship date of OCTOBER.
https://twitter.com/antminer_main/status/1364787555317649414?s=21
Edit to add... as of 0830 est, I never saw it go online
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A freaking rocket ship. Nice.
I may buy a s19j.
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