Topic: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH - page 10. (Read 4433 times)
what's the price limit to avoid tariff?
well I have staggered orders
inno for aug------------50t came on sept 12th
bitmain for sept--------56th due sept 20-30
avalon for oct-----------106th due oct
bitmain for nov--------- 106th due nov
I am not sure I need to add for dec.
inno for aug------------50t came on sept 12th
bitmain for sept--------56th due sept 20-30
avalon for oct-----------106th due oct
bitmain for nov--------- 106th due nov
I am not sure I need to add for dec.
Not sure if its a good deal or not, its a lot of money to tie up till December, but then people seem to be happy doing it, the November batches sold out pretty quickly.
One thing though, I think those ones are just normal S17's @45W/T because I thought the Pro's are like 39W/T
Its sort of in the middle compared to the whatsminers, compared to the M20S its better power usage by 3W/T and cheaper, but its slower by 15TH
And compared to the M20 its still better power usage and its more expensive, but its faster by 8TH
M20S - 68TH @ 48W/TH - $2589
S17 - 53TH @ 45W/TH - $2107
M20 - 45TH @ 48W/TH - $1830
What it does do is spank the Inno T3-50T which is slightly (3TH) slower and uses 62W/TH at around the same price. But then the Inno is avail now, not in 3 months.
Of course the surprise outsider is the Avalon 1066 which is the same speed as the Inno, uses 63W/TH, costs $400 or so less than both. And is avail in Nov.
Decisions, decisions!!
One thing though, I think those ones are just normal S17's @45W/T because I thought the Pro's are like 39W/T
Its sort of in the middle compared to the whatsminers, compared to the M20S its better power usage by 3W/T and cheaper, but its slower by 15TH
And compared to the M20 its still better power usage and its more expensive, but its faster by 8TH
M20S - 68TH @ 48W/TH - $2589
S17 - 53TH @ 45W/TH - $2107
M20 - 45TH @ 48W/TH - $1830
What it does do is spank the Inno T3-50T which is slightly (3TH) slower and uses 62W/TH at around the same price. But then the Inno is avail now, not in 3 months.
Of course the surprise outsider is the Avalon 1066 which is the same speed as the Inno, uses 63W/TH, costs $400 or so less than both. And is avail in Nov.
Decisions, decisions!!
S17e on bitmain at a bargain price of 2544
https://shop.bitmain.com/product/detail?pid=00020190917150939672JFWahe97068C
it is a reference price ie can only go lower when it sells quote is from link above.
"1. The product price indicated on this page (hereinafter referred to as the “Product Reference Price”) is only the reference price. The actual transaction price of the product (hereinafter referred to as the “Actual Transaction Price”) is determined by us according to the market conditions before the delivery of the product. We promise that the Actual Transaction Price of the product does not exceed the Product Reference Price."
It is a good deal?
they also are doing the s17pro at 2107
https://shop.bitmain.com/product/detail?pid=000201909171505196803x1hG7pp06A2
is this a way to cut whatsminer's to ribbons?
https://shop.bitmain.com/product/detail?pid=00020190917150939672JFWahe97068C
it is a reference price ie can only go lower when it sells quote is from link above.
"1. The product price indicated on this page (hereinafter referred to as the “Product Reference Price”) is only the reference price. The actual transaction price of the product (hereinafter referred to as the “Actual Transaction Price”) is determined by us according to the market conditions before the delivery of the product. We promise that the Actual Transaction Price of the product does not exceed the Product Reference Price."
It is a good deal?
they also are doing the s17pro at 2107
https://shop.bitmain.com/product/detail?pid=000201909171505196803x1hG7pp06A2
is this a way to cut whatsminer's to ribbons?
This machine, if it weren't for the price, would be very well worth it, but with the price right now even with 2c electricity (which some of us have). It wouldn't even ROI in terms of Bitcoin till well after the halvening
Please try to avoid giving fake info if your source is not valid and checked. Also, feel free to report such fake websites to this forum thread:
Fake Bitmain Antminer websites (updated 16.07.2019)
Also, you are correct that a big clue of it being fake is APW7 PSU bundle with S17e. However, there are a lot more clue before that. Firstly, website is missing a lot of UI features. Secondly, it is completely and poorly copied version of original website. Thirdly, you can login to their website with any mail and password.
So next time please refer to their one and only website: Bitmain
Fake Bitmain Antminer websites (updated 16.07.2019)
Also, you are correct that a big clue of it being fake is APW7 PSU bundle with S17e. However, there are a lot more clue before that. Firstly, website is missing a lot of UI features. Secondly, it is completely and poorly copied version of original website. Thirdly, you can login to their website with any mail and password.
So next time please refer to their one and only website: Bitmain
If you are referring to the email from 'bitmain team' (actualy: [email protected])that hyperlinks to 'bitmain-store.org'
i would be very suspicious. they have made a very good copy of the bitmain store.
i would be very suspicious. they have made a very good copy of the bitmain store.
You are absolutely correct! Almost an exact clone of the main site. I have them up now side by side. Unbelievable. Here's the pirate site. h**ps://bitmain-store[dot]org/shop/00020180710164901333EGb4bPcY0681aa.html
They also ONLY accept LTC, BCH, BTC while stating they take USD wire transfer. Biggest clue overall is that you are buying an APW7 PSU along with the "unit". Even though te new units have their own built in. Thanks for the heads up!
Bitmain just released 64 Th at 2200 watts shipped in 3 days after payment. Once again, Bitmain is on a major cash grab. Diff jumps are going vertical. By today's metrics this offering gets you ROI by halvening. But...no way that holds. These will be 16 months minimum ROI. Bitmain is at it again. wait for newbs to go broke, then by their gear. That's what I've done the last three cycles. NEVER buy these hype/cycle peaks. People laughed when I predicted that you could buy S9I 14 th for $200.00. I bought 100's of them from $369.00 down to $225.00. My new prediction....wait and buy S17's for $500.00 new in the box post halvening. You heard it here first. $10,000,00 BTC will be the new $3,000.00 BTC.
I think the same.
But if you want to change your setup i think difficult.
One S17 56T are equal to 4xS9 14T.
In europe you become today maybe $450 for one S9i/j. If BTC price drops to $3.000, you become maybe $50 for one S9i/j.
You lost 4x $400= $1.600, become $200 for four S9 and must buy one S17 in this time for $500.
- 1.600
+ 200
- 500
= -$2.300.
So if you now sell 4 S9´s for $450 you can pay for one S17 max. $2.300.
This math with energy costs, you drive better with one S17.
Bitmain just released 64 Th at 2200 watts shipped in 3 days after payment. Once again, Bitmain is on a major cash grab. Diff jumps are going vertical. By today's metrics this offering gets you ROI by halvening. But...no way that holds. These will be 16 months minimum ROI. Bitmain is at it again. wait for newbs to go broke, then by their gear. That's what I've done the last three cycles. NEVER buy these hype/cycle peaks. People laughed when I predicted that you could buy S9I 14 th for $200.00. I bought 100's of them from $369.00 down to $225.00. My new prediction....wait and buy S17's for $500.00 new in the box post halvening. You heard it here first. $10,000,00 BTC will be the new $3,000.00 BTC.
If you are referring to the email from 'bitmain team' (actualy: [email protected])that hyperlinks to 'bitmain-store.org'
i would be very suspicious. they have made a very good copy of the bitmain store.
Bitmain just released 64 Th at 2200 watts shipped in 3 days after payment. Once again, Bitmain is on a major cash grab. Diff jumps are going vertical. By today's metrics this offering gets you ROI by halvening. But...no way that holds. These will be 16 months minimum ROI. Bitmain is at it again. wait for newbs to go broke, then by their gear. That's what I've done the last three cycles. NEVER buy these hype/cycle peaks. People laughed when I predicted that you could buy S9I 14 th for $200.00. I bought 100's of them from $369.00 down to $225.00. My new prediction....wait and buy S17's for $500.00 new in the box post halvening. You heard it here first. $10,000,00 BTC will be the new $3,000.00 BTC.
Where exactly did you see them releasing that? I've been checking both English and Chinese page every hour for a few days now and nothing is indicating that that your statement is true, as the only S17e 64TH/s that is available now is shipping 21-31 December(3293$) and last available(before that previously noted date) was 21-30 November(2683$).
Bitmain just released 64 Th at 2200 watts shipped in 3 days after payment. Once again, Bitmain is on a major cash grab. Diff jumps are going vertical. By today's metrics this offering gets you ROI by halvening. But...no way that holds. These will be 16 months minimum ROI. Bitmain is at it again. wait for newbs to go broke, then by their gear. That's what I've done the last three cycles. NEVER buy these hype/cycle peaks. People laughed when I predicted that you could buy S9I 14 th for $200.00. I bought 100's of them from $369.00 down to $225.00. My new prediction....wait and buy S17's for $500.00 new in the box post halvening. You heard it here first. $10,000,00 BTC will be the new $3,000.00 BTC.
With presumable close to zero electricity cost from the solar, wouldn't the lowest cost per th/s be the best idea?
S9 could be had on the cheap these days...
S9 could be had on the cheap these days...
No not all s9 you would need s9 and s17 pro. As time goes on lower the s9 from 13th to 10th and add an s17 pro.
5 s9 = 70th and use 7kwatts
1 s17 pro = 50th and use 2.1kwatts
9.1kwatts
120th earns 120 x 0.00002022 or 0.002426 a day in 100 days that is 0.2426 btc or 2426 usd so buy an s17pro for dec.
drop the 5 s9s to 50th at 4.5kwatts
the 2s17 do 106th at 4.2kwatts
you are at 8.7kwatts and you grew from 120th to 156th
to do this you need say 9 x 24 = 220kwatt system.
and a grid tie a 220 kwatt system = 460-500 thousand dollars
but and the but is huge the right states give big incentives and the 500 thousand is under 200000.
so you pay 200000 and the original gear for mining is 5 s9's = 2000 and 1 s17 = 3000 only 5000 in mining gear.
you allowed a 220kwatt setup on your roof because you created a demand with only 5k in gear.
and you have builtin ability to keep growing the gear at a cost of next to zero.
you need a property that can do 700 panels you need to be able to use the tax credits. Ie you make money at something else.
If you can do that solar makes sense.
With presumable close to zero electricity cost from the solar, wouldn't the lowest cost per th/s be the best idea?
S9 could be had on the cheap these days...
S9 could be had on the cheap these days...
You need to ROI on your solar array as well as your miners, so not really. Even at 1$ per watt for an array (which is unrealistically low even for huge scale), you'd need to spend around 10K to power each s9. With diff rising, it may take longer than the 25 year life of the solar panels to ROI with s9s.
becomes a density issue at a certain point in that case
it is a risky and high priced item. But s9 gear will drop off like mad. So more efficient gear can be good.
With presumable close to zero electricity cost from the solar, wouldn't the lowest cost per th/s be the best idea?
S9 could be had on the cheap these days...
it is a risky and high priced item. But s9 gear will drop off like mad. So more efficient gear can be good.
without decent price increase return will be longer than the anticipated halvening
Also you can only buy 2 from any one batch unless you can get someone else to get another two etc etc
@philipma1957
Do you think the T17 38Th/s for 1145USD is a good price?
Do you think the T17 38Th/s for 1145USD is a good price?
It is a good price for some people, but not for others. Depends on what you pay for power, how much risk you can tolerate, what you think price and difficulty are going to do in the next year, ..... etc.
@philipma1957
Do you think the T17 38Th/s for 1145USD is a good price?
Do you think the T17 38Th/s for 1145USD is a good price?
I think it is. Considering they sell for $3000-4000 on eBay or Amazon.
Efficiency is not quite as good as an S17, but the ROI would be quicker.
If you have the physical set-up for them (enough power, exhaust set-up), you can buy 2 T17's for 80 TH, for less than one S17 at 60-64TH
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