Topic: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH - page 13. (Read 4406 times)
Wow. Those sold out quick. Should've set an alarm
nailed the price w/tariff. Batch 2 looking rough though
I ordered the cheaper one(S17e) as it comes earlier... And it's cheaper 
I found the reason for higher price for December's unit.
It seems as they added something called: "Product Reference Price" and "Actual Transaction Price".
You can read more about it on their page: https://shop.bitmain.com/product/detail?pid=00020190909102622337qeAMQsXc06DB
in tab called "Notes".
I found the reason for higher price for December's unit.
It seems as they added something called: "Product Reference Price" and "Actual Transaction Price".
You can read more about it on their page: https://shop.bitmain.com/product/detail?pid=00020190909102622337qeAMQsXc06DB
in tab called "Notes".
well order both sort it out later ie pay for the cheap one.
I decided to buy 2 t17e's for 3550 with the shipping
https://btc1.trezor.io/tx/bcdda9dd2120c27e490c4c63cb9e433c791917fc10772a6fa4c06eaf627a8042
https://btc1.trezor.io/address/1Ag9YvxtYoo1D34aKm6BwTug54NJc5aWzo
https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1Ag9YvxtYoo1D34aKm6BwTug54NJc5aWzo
I decided to buy 2 t17e's for 3550 with the shipping
https://btc1.trezor.io/tx/bcdda9dd2120c27e490c4c63cb9e433c791917fc10772a6fa4c06eaf627a8042
https://btc1.trezor.io/address/1Ag9YvxtYoo1D34aKm6BwTug54NJc5aWzo
https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1Ag9YvxtYoo1D34aKm6BwTug54NJc5aWzo
I wasn't too wrong about prices but I am actually pretty confused with their listings:
WHAT?!
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Antminer S17e
Shipping date: 1-10, Nov. 2019
Price:$2784.00
Antminer S17e
Shipping date: 21-31, Dec. 2019
Price:$3293.00
Shipping date: 1-10, Nov. 2019
Price:$2784.00
Antminer S17e
Shipping date: 21-31, Dec. 2019
Price:$3293.00
WHAT?!
edit: yes a group buy to order from Malaysia would be great but yes a headache to set up and then to have someone escrow as well - Wish I had the cash to buy 100 units up front - would use 10 of em and sell the rest - would be happy to sell at cost and make break even point if i could.
what screws it all up is the tariff's though - Bitmain has told me that they can ship from Malaysia but the MOQ is way out of my price range.
I will be most likely hoping to get my hands on T15's from within the US where I dont need to run two damn lines to the PSU - another expense which forces me to either have half the miners or leaves me needing to install more outlets - with only 20 outlets currently I can handle 20 T15/S15 and only 10 T17/S17
If I can find the 15's at a decent enough price it will more than make up for the reduction in hash rate.
now someone please buy my 13 S9's for 3k a piece lol
I will be most likely hoping to get my hands on T15's from within the US where I dont need to run two damn lines to the PSU - another expense which forces me to either have half the miners or leaves me needing to install more outlets - with only 20 outlets currently I can handle 20 T15/S15 and only 10 T17/S17
If I can find the 15's at a decent enough price it will more than make up for the reduction in hash rate.
now someone please buy my 13 S9's for 3k a piece lol
Group buy! 100 units ain't that bad I'd buy 5 depending on the price.
I would say I would help organize a group buy. But I know the headache would suck and the receiving and reshipping and what not. Would have to tag $150 in machine to receive and reship them. Plus god knows the taxxes owed from the tariff.
what screws it all up is the tariff's though - Bitmain has told me that they can ship from Malaysia but the MOQ is way out of my price range.
I will be most likely hoping to get my hands on T15's from within the US where I dont need to run two damn lines to the PSU - another expense which forces me to either have half the miners or leaves me needing to install more outlets - with only 20 outlets currently I can handle 20 T15/S15 and only 10 T17/S17
If I can find the 15's at a decent enough price it will more than make up for the reduction in hash rate.
now someone please buy my 13 S9's for 3k a piece lol
I will be most likely hoping to get my hands on T15's from within the US where I dont need to run two damn lines to the PSU - another expense which forces me to either have half the miners or leaves me needing to install more outlets - with only 20 outlets currently I can handle 20 T15/S15 and only 10 T17/S17
If I can find the 15's at a decent enough price it will more than make up for the reduction in hash rate.
now someone please buy my 13 S9's for 3k a piece lol
Maybe bitmain is ready to do battle and price it low...
I was literally thinking the same, and for some reason, I think that the price for first batch will be somewhere between 3000$-3100$ however, second and third batches in my head are between 2800$ and 2950$. But we shall see how it turns out in around 9 hours.
factor in difficulty adjustments and ROI window becomes even wider. no risk on manufacturers and all on you/us as miners. BTC halving+next gen gears soon to drive difficulty much higher...don't be suckers, prepare for the coming bloodbath!!
Maybe bitmain is ready to do battle and price it low. They have done this many other times.
Maybe they sell it for 2500 and undercut all the dec preorders.
They have done this in the past they would sell a shit ton of them if they did this.
If they have a lot of them in stock I think they may surprise with a lower price.
pangolin offers the m20s 68t in ten days for 3950
they offer the m20s in Jan for 2615.
if bitmain wants to put a hurt on them and offers the s17e for 2500 in Nov it would basically shut down all of pangolin's sales
Maybe they sell it for 2500 and undercut all the dec preorders.
They have done this in the past they would sell a shit ton of them if they did this.
If they have a lot of them in stock I think they may surprise with a lower price.
pangolin offers the m20s 68t in ten days for 3950
they offer the m20s in Jan for 2615.
if bitmain wants to put a hurt on them and offers the s17e for 2500 in Nov it would basically shut down all of pangolin's sales
Let's try another way of doing the math
S17E > 45w/th
M20s > 48w/th
3w per TH difference, let's take a medium scale farm with say 1000th , that is 3kwh difference, say you pay 6 cents per kwh , that is about 130$ a month or 1560$ a year ( not that big of a deal to be honest
)
now let's price difference, the M20s 64th sells for 3200$ in China (from resellers) with "early September shipping" , now let's speculate on what bases would anyone want to pay more for the S17E provided it ships around the same period.
M20s > 47$ per TH
S17e > if 47$ per TH that means it will sell for 3011$ ( unlikely)
let's assume they will sell it for 3500$ , or 54$ per TH , that is 448$ more for 64 th > ((54$-47$) * 64th) in order to save 64*3w = 192wh , or 8$ per month if you pay 6 cents per kw , so you will need 56 months to ROI the price difference ! that does not make any sense to be honest
for those who pay more than just 6 cents per kw, it makes more sense to pay even more than just 3.5k , for large players 3w less per TH is a lot of money saved , if it takes 3 or 6 months to get back the price difference that should not be a problem to most people.
but let's wait and see what price will they ask for.
S17E > 45w/th
M20s > 48w/th
3w per TH difference, let's take a medium scale farm with say 1000th , that is 3kwh difference, say you pay 6 cents per kwh , that is about 130$ a month or 1560$ a year ( not that big of a deal to be honest
)now let's price difference, the M20s 64th sells for 3200$ in China (from resellers) with "early September shipping" , now let's speculate on what bases would anyone want to pay more for the S17E provided it ships around the same period.
M20s > 47$ per TH
S17e > if 47$ per TH that means it will sell for 3011$ ( unlikely)
let's assume they will sell it for 3500$ , or 54$ per TH , that is 448$ more for 64 th > ((54$-47$) * 64th) in order to save 64*3w = 192wh , or 8$ per month if you pay 6 cents per kw , so you will need 56 months to ROI the price difference ! that does not make any sense to be honest
for those who pay more than just 6 cents per kw, it makes more sense to pay even more than just 3.5k , for large players 3w less per TH is a lot of money saved , if it takes 3 or 6 months to get back the price difference that should not be a problem to most people.
but let's wait and see what price will they ask for.
This is not how you compare gear prices, besides quality and the other obvious factors,there are two major factors you need to consider when making such a comparison.
1-Price per Terahash
2-Watts per Terahash
Now depending on a few factors , power consumption in many cases is the most important factor and based on that, and assuming the S17E does 64th at 2880w i see no reason why it shouldn't be selling for 3.5k or even 4k despite the fact that the M20s does sell for a lot cheaper, those 500w difference are worth a lot to many people , and to be honest 64th at 2880w is a freaking beast, I doubt any other company will get to that efficiency by year end.
Another reason is that to me, bitmain in the mining industry is like Apple in the mobile phone industry, they always get away with selling over priced products just because of their brand name.
1-Price per Terahash
2-Watts per Terahash
Now depending on a few factors , power consumption in many cases is the most important factor and based on that, and assuming the S17E does 64th at 2880w i see no reason why it shouldn't be selling for 3.5k or even 4k despite the fact that the M20s does sell for a lot cheaper, those 500w difference are worth a lot to many people , and to be honest 64th at 2880w is a freaking beast, I doubt any other company will get to that efficiency by year end.
Another reason is that to me, bitmain in the mining industry is like Apple in the mobile phone industry, they always get away with selling over priced products just because of their brand name.
I think my 1 liner resonates with point #1 in your reply. The M20S has a higher hash rate and a lower price than what we speculated the the S17E price would be. Is 4TH/s @ ~500 watts worth it? Probably not for most, but it also hasn’t been reviewed yet either. So there is a chance that gap can be closed a bit.
I agree with you that it’s a beast with those stats. Bitmain was able get away with top dollar because nobody was able to get close to them in terms of #1 & #2 in your post. But I think MicroBT will be a formidable competitor and I think they have demonstrated that with the M10S & M20S. As long as they remain competitors, we all win.
Was holding off from s17pro and now it seems to be worth it with this new one coming out and being delivered one month earlier than the s17pro in December; hmmm another blow to people who have preordered...
My worry is: depending on what batch you order will they increase the price?
Or will they be fair and leave all 3 batches (3 days apart) at the same price?
My worry is: depending on what batch you order will they increase the price?
Or will they be fair and leave all 3 batches (3 days apart) at the same price?
Not that I'm aware. It's usually more an issue just trying to get an order in at a time like this. I think you have to set up notifications on their twitter to get the updates right away. I imagine pricing will go up a few hours before the sale is supposed to start.
Does Bitmain usually have a minimum order quantity for first batch runs?
And still no pricing? They come out tomorrow!
And still no pricing? They come out tomorrow!
cryptominerbros list it for $3,199.00, but price will change after relase from Bitmain.
M20s is on sale on whatsminer.net, but only 40 USD under normal price
.
In fact Bitmain can´t lower the price than whatsminer.
If tomorrow is a bullish mood, the price is higher than if bitcoin falls extremely low tomorrow.
I cancel my M20s order. Wait for cheap used S17 pro 50/56 TH/s.
Maybe in 2 Months you become 0,5 - 0,7 BTC for this actualy gear price.
M20s is on sale on whatsminer.net, but only 40 USD under normal price
.In fact Bitmain can´t lower the price than whatsminer.
If tomorrow is a bullish mood, the price is higher than if bitcoin falls extremely low tomorrow.
I cancel my M20s order. Wait for cheap used S17 pro 50/56 TH/s.
Maybe in 2 Months you become 0,5 - 0,7 BTC for this actualy gear price.
yeah at 68th you earn 0.001547 btc. or $16.25 usd. 68th at 45 watts a th = 3060 or 74 kwatts a day.
at 6 cent power that is 4.44 in power so 16.25-4.44= 11.81 profit after 300 days 3543 usd
at 5 cent power that is 3.70 in power so 16.25-3.70= 12.55 profit after 300 days 3765 usd
at 4 cent power that is 2.96 in power so 16.25-2.96= 13.29 profit after 300 days 3987 usd
never mind that these intentionally attack usa mining since they will all be at least 3500 + 966 = 4466 with trump tax.
So I am pretty much shut out of these again.
my 50 50 split deal means 34 th or 8.12 usd a day so 4466/8.12 = 550 days. very difficult for me to want them.
I am looking for small s17 pros like 40 th but killer efficiency say 36 watts a th
oh well
at 6 cent power that is 4.44 in power so 16.25-4.44= 11.81 profit after 300 days 3543 usd
at 5 cent power that is 3.70 in power so 16.25-3.70= 12.55 profit after 300 days 3765 usd
at 4 cent power that is 2.96 in power so 16.25-2.96= 13.29 profit after 300 days 3987 usd
never mind that these intentionally attack usa mining since they will all be at least 3500 + 966 = 4466 with trump tax.
So I am pretty much shut out of these again.
my 50 50 split deal means 34 th or 8.12 usd a day so 4466/8.12 = 550 days. very difficult for me to want them.
I am looking for small s17 pros like 40 th but killer efficiency say 36 watts a th
oh well
They are trying to pre-empt M20S.
Hopefully, this would mean lower prices.
I looked at the numbers and there is NO way for any of these miners to return more btc than you spent in the first 12 mo, maybe even 18 mo IF your cost is 9-11c/kwh.
They have to be robust enough to work for at least 24 mo, maybe more for you to break even in btc.
Of course, depending on bitcoin $$ price (if it would rise), you MIGHT get $$ profits sooner.
Hopefully, this would mean lower prices.
I looked at the numbers and there is NO way for any of these miners to return more btc than you spent in the first 12 mo, maybe even 18 mo IF your cost is 9-11c/kwh.
They have to be robust enough to work for at least 24 mo, maybe more for you to break even in btc.
Of course, depending on bitcoin $$ price (if it would rise), you MIGHT get $$ profits sooner.
looked like efficiency was the same? im thinking 30xx watts @45j/th. It helps bitmain that they are a visible company with clear (relatively) processes for their products, quality and efficiency aside.
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