Bitmain to release S17E 64TH - page 12.

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Quote from: NotFuzzyWarm on September 09, 2019, 09:03:44 PM

Exactly. I've said that many times before here: It is Country of Origin that matters and as a the single most important part of a miner is the completed hash boards that means they must be built outside of China. Not easy to do as there are really not that many PCB assembly houses that can handle such power and temp dense boards much less make bazillions of them per batch. Just IMET (AMT A1 miner days) about the learning curve on working with them...

gotcha - wonder why they said that to me then? trying to get me to buy 200 miners? then get slammed with the tariff? lol.

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Quote from: Biffa on September 09, 2019, 04:32:38 PM

Plus it doesn't matter where its shipped from, its where its made that matters. So unless they are actually making the circuit boards and assembling the miners in Malaysia then surely they'd have to declare it as made in China.

Exactly. I've said that many times before here: It is Country of Origin that matters and as a the single most important part of a miner is the completed hash boards that means they must be built outside of China. Not easy to do as there are really not that many PCB assembly houses in other countries that can handle such power and temp dense boards much less make bazillions of them per batch. Just ask IMET (AMT A1 miner days) about the learning curve on working with them...

BM, Canaan, Inno and others have it easy in China since Shenzhen and surrounding areas is packed with such suppliers thanks to the crypto miner boom...

edit: added a bit & fixed typos

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Quote from: Biffa on September 09, 2019, 04:32:38 PM

Plus it doesn't matter where its shipped from, its where its made that matters. So unless they are actually making the circuit boards and assembling the miners in Malaysia then surely they'd have to declare it as made in China.

hmm yea I did not think of that - let me fetch the email I had gotten from them.

here it is, for orders of 200 - 500 miners:

I am actually thinking of getting some of the T17s as they are just under 1200 - can get 3 of them for the price of a S17E.

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Yeah gear is more industrialized. Many 3000 watt units. Costing 2000 usd and up. This all makes a smaller miner on the edge.

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Quote from: Searing on September 09, 2019, 10:28:34 AM

... With what I pay with electric in the USA per kWh, even without the 27.6% tariff/import fees, not gonna fly.

Anyway, others on here may have some redress, if/when the USA Tariffs are pulled yet this fall.

Myself, still seems I'm out of mining of any note until probably well into next year, 2020.

Sucks. Them's the breaks.

Brad

I'm in the same boat. Hopefully the tariff bs ends, but I won't hold my breath.
Even without the tariffs, I still need a more efficient miner with my electrical costs. Looks like I'll be waiting.

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Quote from: Biffa on September 09, 2019, 04:32:38 PM

Plus it doesn't matter where its shipped from, its where its made that matters. So unless they are actually making the circuit boards and assembling the miners in Malaysia then surely they'd have to declare it as made in China.

which is yet another reason why it is too much to ask of an escrow.

I can see 100 x 1665 = 166500 x .276 = 45954 in tariffs on the t17e

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Plus it doesn't matter where its shipped from, its where its made that matters. So unless they are actually making the circuit boards and assembling the miners in Malaysia then surely they'd have to declare it as made in China.

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I have to say I can't do escrow due to the newer coin tax rules in the states. Moving 100000 or more in coin will just cause me grief.

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yes - it was Bitmain who told me they will ship from Malaysia to US for large orders. and it would be direct - no shipping to there and then from there to the US. I have 5 cent electric and still out of it. the tariffs are enough to keep me away.

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I think the link above puts the VAT for Malaysia at 10%? If lucky 6%? Says something about 'sales tax' as well? No to mention who the hell is shipping this from Malaysia?

If Bitmain, that would be ideal, in that you'd only have the regular 'East Asia' to the USA shipping price. But if the first you have to ship to malaysia..then someone 'trustworthy' dorks about a week or so and then ships it so someone else 'trustworthy' for the group buy in the USA from Maylasia (2.6% import fee) and then finally after maybe another week or two lost in this shipping merry go round...it is shipped to the proper address. Man, I'd hate to escrow this puppy from either end of the chain.

Whatever I'm still out of this, but as an observer, with my 9.5c to 10c kWh electric prices. Sigh!

I'd also be in such a group buy in the onesie or twosie camp anyway Sad

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not sure, all I know is the guy told me that they can ship from Malaysia to avoid the tariff but that it has to be a pretty large order. no onesie twosie orders.

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Quote from: MoparMiningLLC on September 08, 2019, 10:34:52 PM

what screws it all up is the tariff's though - Bitmain has told me that they can ship from Malaysia but the MOQ is way out of my price range.

I will be most likely hoping to get my hands on T15's from within the US where I dont need to run two damn lines to the PSU - another expense which forces me to either have half the miners or leaves me needing to install more outlets - with only 20 outlets currently I can handle 20 T15/S15 and only 10 T17/S17

If I can find the 15's at a decent enough price it will more than make up for the reduction in hash rate.

now someone please buy my 13 S9's for 3k a piece lol

Malaysia from what I can tell has a VAT see below of 10%?

https://www.avalara.com/vatlive/en/country-guides/asia/malaysia.html

Then add shipping to that from both China and then from Maylasia (maybe both) also, how fast can they flip them out the door to the USA?

make sure it is not by ship! There would be at best IMHO, another 2-week lag to get them. Then of course if to the USA, shipping from the group buy USA location? (Not sure how this works).

Anyway, looks like a real mess to do and/or escrow, IMHO.

With my electric price even direct from Malaysia, it would be a heck of an optimistic stretch, but for others good luck.

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Quote from: Philipma1957cellphone on September 09, 2019, 08:34:14 AM

with this gear I am looking at 4300 for 106 th. It arrives 60-70 days. I just paid 2600 for 50 th the t3 50 it was costly. And will take 80 days if it comes by the 15 of sept.

thats right you share cost right? I am not that lucky, though you share profits too. I had to pay $330 tariffs on a 1400 machine, I cannot imagine what it would be on a $3k machine.

Quote from: octomob on September 09, 2019, 10:17:10 AM

Also ordered 6 S17e's , 6 T17e's and 6 normal T17-38's. Will be waiting

to mine with or to resell?

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Well, Bitmain has its prices out now it seems.

https://shop.bitmain.com/

With what I pay with electric in the USA per kWh, even without the 27.6% tariff/import fees, not gonna fly.

Anyway, others on here may have some redress, if/when the USA Tariffs are pulled yet this fall.

Myself, still seems I'm out of mining of any note until probably well into next year, 2020.

Sucks. Them's the breaks.

Brad

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Also ordered 6 S17e's , 6 T17e's and 6 normal T17-38's. Will be waiting

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Quote from: MoparMiningLLC on September 09, 2019, 08:31:30 AM

nice! I am envious. I just cannot justify it with the tariff.

with this gear I am looking at 4300 for 106 th. It arrives 60-70 days. I just paid 2600 for 50 th the t3 50 it was costly. And will take 80 days if it comes by the 15 of sept.

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Quote from: philipma1957 on September 09, 2019, 06:10:41 AM

well order both sort it out later ie pay for the cheap one.

I decided to buy 2 t17e's for 3550 with the shipping

https://btc1.trezor.io/tx/bcdda9dd2120c27e490c4c63cb9e433c791917fc10772a6fa4c06eaf627a8042

https://btc1.trezor.io/address/1Ag9YvxtYoo1D34aKm6BwTug54NJc5aWzo

https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1Ag9YvxtYoo1D34aKm6BwTug54NJc5aWzo

nice! I am envious. I just cannot justify it with the tariff.

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Having mined with the t17 s17pro m20s m21s the two plug design is better. So I grabbed max hash by getting 2 t17e for 3550 vs 1 s17e for 2900 I rather have the 106 th hash then the 64th.

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basically.. we will charge you what we think you will pay and if someone else tries to undercut (m21, etc) we will adjust price with coupons.

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So a new way to hurt the customer. They force a loan to them. Have to give them credit for finding new and better ways to put it all on the buyer.

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