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Topic: Bitmain will be releasing S15 and T15 on 8/11/2018 - page 13. (Read 31485 times)

legendary
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For years?   bzzzzzzt

There is no new "more efficient" node anticipated to BUILD miners on for years.
Is that hard for you to understand?

In fact, there is some question how much longer semiconductor node CAN continue to progress - GMO's over-optimistic projections to the contrary.
Intel and IBM in particular have both stated that "pure silicon" has reached the end of the road - IBM's current "next gen" process design work uses a MIXED silicon/germanium die while Intel has been quite mum on their plans for anything past their current 10nm node.

The old "new miner model every 6 months" routine died when ASIC mining hardware caught up with semiconductor state-of-the-art at the 14nm node (S9 and such), and CAN'T ever return.



Just noticed something I find a bit iffy about the S15/T15.

"exposed die" design on the chips.

Does anyone remember the massive FAIL issues associated with that concept on the Athlon Thunderbird/Palomino and same timeframe Pentium 3 generation CPUs that ALSO used an exposed die?

Probably less of an issue with the "glue-on" heatsinks Bitmain uses, but still a bit iffy - and definitely NOT THE NORM that Bitmain claims in that part of their "overview."
legendary
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Hard to say what's going on with them ATM, I'm pretty sure they sold out the first day launch. Whether they call that batch1 or label things in that manner anymore.

Can't be hurting as I still see the 2 unit max per order through the site.

Well were already seeing a large price decrease whether that holds as the new normal or not is yet to be seen.
hero member
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I also feel before these even ship out, either price of bitcoin will go down or difficulty will jump up a considerable amount.  They will also have "batch 2" orders in a week or two at a much lower price to compete but with another 1-2 month shipping delay.
They did this with the S5, S7 and S9.  S4 there wasn't much competition and it was a true shortage of miners versus demand at that time so at times prices would go up and stay up.
Back when it was an actual good deal, they sold out and stayed sold out until the next batch.  I haven't seen the S15 or T15 sold out for several days now.

Edit: well, there is the bitcoin price fall.
full member
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We are not retail.
We'll there're more for sale should anyone want one.
member
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4 s9's 2 821's
Much higher efficiency, which has always been a good justification for a new miner model costing more per hash.
S15 will be profitable for years, the S9 will probably be a money loser at 3 cent electric by this time next year.

For years?   bzzzzzzt
legendary
Activity: 1498
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Exactly right, these S15's are overpriced by almost 40%...

Much higher efficiency, which has always been a good justification for a new miner model costing more per hash.
S15 will be profitable for years, the S9 will probably be a money loser at 3 cent electric by this time next year.
full member
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At this point, its better to do absolutely nothing and maintain the farm as it were. Bitmain will definitely lower the price anyways because from what I've heard, the preorders were subpar at best. Either that or Btc price goes up alot......in which case it makes more sense still to do nothing and hold your Bitcoin.........
legendary
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'The right to privacy matters'
just buy BTC for same money... as next november u wont have same btc by mining. And if you like u can buy one S15 for 400usd that time and continue mining Cheesy
i dont know,mabye i sounds sceptical, but there are better miners than S15 and i see better option to buy btc directly when the price is relative low and save your nerve, noise,etc.. however 5cents sounds good.
for last 6 months diff went up from 4T to 7T+its almost double = your profit half. and then in 12months it will be even less. so if u see today that u will mine with S15 in year 0.36 then u are mistaken. if u will mine 0.2 that wil be success. now u can buy for 2 000usd around 0.3BTC lets say.

my point is it is overpriced, it should got for 800-1000 max with psu.

https://www.coinwarz.com/difficulty-charts/bitcoin-difficulty-chart

the diff has not risen much  since august 24th.
jr. member
Activity: 169
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At 5 cents per kw I'm getting the money back next November....
Unless:
-it brakes down till then
-I get a hike in electricity prices
-Difficulty goes up (lols on this one)

Not that keen on mining again but till now seems like the s9 would still be the better option short term if only talking about bitmain products

just buy BTC for same money... as next november u wont have same btc by mining. And if you like u can buy one S15 for 400usd that time and continue mining Cheesy
i dont know,mabye i sounds sceptical, but there are better miners than S15 and i see better option to buy btc directly when the price is relative low and save your nerve, noise,etc.. however 5cents sounds good.
for last 6 months diff went up from 4T to 7T+its almost double = your profit half. and then in 12months it will be even less. so if u see today that u will mine with S15 in year 0.36 then u are mistaken. if u will mine 0.2 that wil be success. now u can buy for 2 000usd around 0.3BTC lets say.

my point is it is overpriced, it should got for 800-1000 max with psu.

https://www.coinwarz.com/difficulty-charts/bitcoin-difficulty-chart
legendary
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Blackjack.fun
At 5 cents per kw I'm getting the money back next November....
Unless:
-it brakes down till then
-I get a hike in electricity prices
-Difficulty goes up (lols on this one)

Not that keen on mining again but till now seems like the s9 would still be the better option short term if only talking about bitmain products
legendary
Activity: 4256
Merit: 8551
'The right to privacy matters'
Exactly right, these S15's are overpriced by almost 40%...

they work if you have high power cost and run on 50 watt setting.  

if you have 15 cent power they turn profit of $23.70 a month

if you have a m10  it loses $22.36 a month.

now that is a frozen moment in time  and for long term  it is going to change a lot.

also bch is Daily Yield: ≈0.00037295 BCH Per TH/s    so 28 th is 0.01044 bch or  $5.99 a day with a split coming very soon.

btc is Daily Yield: ≈0.00003396 BTC Per TH/s   so 28th is  0.00095088 btc or     $6.09 a day  with no split
member
Activity: 658
Merit: 21
4 s9's 2 821's
392USD included PSU for 14,5TH S9j. yes less profitability than S15 (14,5TH vs 28TH), however i mentioned that for those people with free/cheap electricity is S9j better option as give more hash (29TH vs 28TH) and cost less (800 vs 1500). someone whi has really free electricity, can have 4x S9j for same price 58TH vs 28TH....
just sayin...for people with expensive electricity is better option to BUY BTC directly.. someone with medium electricity rate, well,the need to really think about it...

https://shop.bitmain.com/product/detail?pid=00020181107140901162lNTbtb4n06D4

Exactly right, these S15's are overpriced by almost 40%...
jr. member
Activity: 169
Merit: 1
Don't forget to factor in the cost of 2 power supplies for the S9 option - and the MUCH lower efficiency that will eliminate it's profitability in the not-too-distant future.

392USD included PSU for 14,5TH S9j. yes less profitability than S15 (14,5TH vs 28TH), however i mentioned that for those people with free/cheap electricity is S9j better option as give more hash (29TH vs 28TH) and cost less (800 vs 1500). someone whi has really free electricity, can have 4x S9j for same price 58TH vs 28TH....
just sayin...for people with expensive electricity is better option to BUY BTC directly.. someone with medium electricity rate, well,the need to really think about it...

https://shop.bitmain.com/product/detail?pid=00020181107140901162lNTbtb4n06D4
legendary
Activity: 1498
Merit: 1030
guys, S15 is crap. like comeone..2k usd with all customs,shipings,etc and doin 6usd per day with free electricity and 2.5usd with 0.1per kwh..
count the ROI ffs..2000usd price and 2,5usd per day...so 800days IF all stays same (diff, hash) which do not stay,everyone know that,right. it is better to buy BTC now for 2k usd,like 0.3 or so and u save nerves, noise, electricity.

someone who has free electricity,better buy S9i 14.5TH included PSU for 400usd+customs. 2x S9j still better hash than s15 and u still save money like 2x (600-700usd) vs 2000usd.

Ebang E11++ is doing 44TH / 1900W on 10nm samsung...and cost around 2000-2500usd...

if S15 would cost 800usd, i would buy one, but in this case..of course they make quality machines (i havent had any trouble with them)

Don't forget to factor in the cost of 2 power supplies for the S9 option - and the MUCH lower efficiency that will eliminate it's profitability in the not-too-distant future.
full member
Activity: 1022
Merit: 221
We are not retail.
With tariff and shipping, Bitmain price is at least $2k ($1475 + $407 tariff + $130 shipping). Blokforge is $2200 shipped with card fees. If you have Bitmain coupons I suppose it may be better to order direct, but I'd rather support a U.S. business when difference is minimal especially when they've helped me out with free product in the past.

Well if they're giving stuff away that's fun. Coupons go to our clients for use not to add to our profits.
jr. member
Activity: 169
Merit: 1
guys, S15 is crap. like comeone..2k usd with all customs,shipings,etc and doin 6usd per day with free electricity and 2.5usd with 0.1per kwh..
count the ROI ffs..2000usd price and 2,5usd per day...so 800days IF all stays same (diff, hash) which do not stay,everyone know that,right. it is better to buy BTC now for 2k usd,like 0.3 or so and u save nerves, noise, electricity.

someone who has free electricity,better buy S9i 14.5TH included PSU for 400usd+customs. 2x S9j still better hash than s15 and u still save money like 2x (600-700usd) vs 2000usd.

Ebang E11++ is doing 44TH / 1900W on 10nm samsung...and cost around 2000-2500usd...

if S15 would cost 800usd, i would buy one, but in this case..of course they make quality machines (i havent had any trouble with them)
full member
Activity: 1022
Merit: 221
We are not retail.
Are you selling them?

https://minefarmbuy.com/

Maybe I will get one from you all.

Shoot me a pm as I am not sure of your pricing

Unless it's a group buy pricing is static with us and we return unused funds. S15 we might be able to get US batch 1 in volume but probably not a single unit. This is were resellers like Blokforge are good. I don't think we've sourced for them yet but would be cool to collaborate with another US company especially if they're good poeple to work with like sidehack and GS have been.
full member
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No you'll still need to add in shipping and card fees at checkout with them, ordering from Bitmain is much cheaper.

With tariff and shipping, Bitmain price is at least $2k ($1475 + $407 tariff + $130 shipping). Blokforge is $2200 shipped with card fees. If you have Bitmain coupons I suppose it may be better to order direct, but I'd rather support a U.S. business when difference is minimal especially when they've helped me out with free product in the past.
legendary
Activity: 4256
Merit: 8551
'The right to privacy matters'
No you'll still need to add in shipping and card fees at checkout with them, ordering from Bitmain is much cheaper.

Are you selling them?

https://minefarmbuy.com/

Maybe I will get one from you all.

Shoot me a pm as I am not sure of your pricing
full member
Activity: 1022
Merit: 221
We are not retail.
I wouldn't spend crypto on it. Blokforge has them available with credit card and total is about the same you'd pay ordering from Bitmain after tariff and shipping if you're in the U.S. Pricing is better than anything else on the market and I don't see price dropping unless Innosilicon, Canaan, or another manufacturer engages in a  price war.

No you'll still need to add in shipping and card fees at checkout with them, ordering from Bitmain is much cheaper.
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