Topic: Bitmain's Released Antminer S9, World's First 16nm Miner Ready to Order - page 155. (Read 531172 times)

Most people complaining about the new auto firmware fall into 2 groups:
1) Home users who decided to put it on their older rigs.
2) Home users who bought a new model S9 that has optimal frequency programmed per chip.

For group 1, the older firmware is still available (provided they haven't installed the newest version [V3] which Bitmain, literally, told them not to install).
For group 2, there is no practical reason to purchase a $1,500 piece of equipment (which is tested and proven to work as optimally as possible) and want to turn it into something else.

I do understand that people want to get started and are trying to balance buying a high performance piece of equipment with personal environments. That being said, what Bitmain is doing, and it's their job to do so, is creating equipment that has the highest yield possible. Every ~14 days, every S9 has less and less yield; that is an inescapable fact of mining. Being mad at a company because they aren't producing new machines that allow you to reduce ROI, when ROI is self reducing already, is just bonkers.

Well your explanation doesn't make Bitmain's decision about dropping features less shitty in my opinion.

And I'm not comparing a gaming console with a miner, it was just an example to give the idea what I'm meaning.

Edit: Not to mention that PS3 is a gaming console designed for home use, whereas the S9 isn't either of those things.

Yeah, but taking off some features is a shitty thing to do. Kind of like what Sony made with the Playstation 3 back in the days.

There's literally no part of that which is true. Either you purchased a new model machine which is configured differently than older models or one random day you decided to change the software. Bitmain didn't take control of your older model and force an update onto it.

so basically your saying if the possibility is there we shouldnt and have no right to want the features that we have had up to this point. im not talkin about different versions of miners either...s9's have had freq control since day 1 of their release bitmain just took the ability to manually set it away. if bitmain took the ability away do you think its hard to add the ability back? if they coded everything they use 100% fresh then i can be more accepting of them controlling their firmware but since barely anything related to their firmware actually belongs to them its hard to agree with you buddy. ontop of that you have other seasoned miners saying the same thing im saying but your right....simply because you provide wild comparisons that arent even in the realm of what is practical. whats next?? using a rocket to travel overseas instead of flying in an airplane?! be more serious with your replies.

there u go bein rigid again buddy. u would think someone with the username computergenie would know things arent as rigid as ur making them out to be but its fine if you want to continue thinking that way. just as long as you are ready to accept that nearly every product and device can and will be used in more than one way without you freakin out with smoke comin from your ears. the world isnt black and white so please learn to understand that in the future. this is a good first step.

Thank you for reaffirming my thoughts!

Unless you know of (and want) any new features in a new firmware; have some existing issue that new firmware fixes; or just want to "test it out", never update any hardware firmware "just because it exists".

In a text-based forum, there literally aren't enough ways to stress what a bad idea it is to flash a piece of hardware with a firmware you don't know about (not to mention the fact that more than 1 company has created a firmware update that, once installed, renders going back to older versions impossible).

Thanks for the info!  I am a home miner and that is exactly what I had planned to do (~3 month cleaning cycles).

One more question for the board...

What about firmware updates?  Is the consensus to update anytime there is a new one?  Wait X amount of time for any issues with a new firmware to bubble to the surface?  Or only do it if your miner has issues?

I reboot mine every 14-30 days for cleaning purposes (depending on the season); for "home users", I'd suggest for every 2-3 months cleaning and/or only when issues.

To get away from the pizza oven talk for a second... 

What is everyone's strategy around rebooting S9's?  Is it "best practice" to reboot them on some sort of schedule or only do so when you experience issues?

Thanks!

Yes, there are software remnants for the old versions of CGMiner... Imagine that, the newest versions of the ASIC software are less like the PC version that let you mine with a CPU; who'da thunk it?  

Because it makes sense to use this to go to the grocery store (and no place else) every day:

noy true. the setting was built into the miner before and was removed. the miner runs a freq check to clock the miner to the max possible speeds those boards can handle so essentially the miner does the same exact thing to allowing the user to set a limit or an under clocked freq wouldn't add much to developing the firmware especially since most of what they use for firmware is stolen from other miner developers. I run miners in 2 locations with roof top dedicated ac units and those miners run at 100%. allowing people to under clock them when running at home will actually bring them MORE business because not everyone has a setup like mine or others and are forced to run them at home or not at all. cutting out an entire market isnt smart for any business especially when its the market that created said company. do u think bitmain would be ne thing if home miners didnt buy their hardware?

I get your comparisons i really do but the devices you listed have issues....a pizza oven is large so cooking something small isnt practical....a cement mixer is the same way....buying a server....well idk what your point there is people use servers as home PC's all the time for whatever reason. most dont install win 7 and so on on it because the hardware is designed for server os's but some can handle non server os just fine and have drivers added to it. some people like having the best of the best for whatever reason even if they dont need it. but even with all the items you listed your forgetting 1 things....they all have flexibility when it comes to how it gets used. can you tell me where the s9 flexibility is?? i dont recall you listing any of that in your reply.

if we went by your logic that would mean someone that buys a truck can only use it to haul stuff and not as a daily driver....people buying a mac can only use it to do video editing and pic editing.....people with an xbox one can only play xbox one games....well last i checked 360 games work on the xbox one. now why is that?? its called FLEXIBILITY. no condition is ever 100% the same no matter how perfect it is there are always going to be variations and regular manufacturers dont limit their devices to 1 and only 1 use. can a carrot peeler also be used on a potato or even an apple or what about a cucumber?? next time dont be so rigid with your thinking. you will end up hitting a brick wall later on down the road and unless you change your views on stuff you wont ever get around it.

Because they aren't meant to be for "home use". Since my automobile analogy flopped, I'll try one that's a closer parallel...

What you're talking about is akin to buying a rack server, wanting to put Windows XP on it, and use it for nothing more than using a browser for Facebook and email.

S9s aren't created to adjust to your home environment; you're meant to take the environment you run them and adjust it to them.

Would you buy an industrial pizza oven and ask why it doesn't have a setting to warm just 1 bagel?
Would you buy an industrial cement mixer and ask why it doesn't have a setting to mix just 1 cup of plaster?
Would you buy an jack-hammer and ask why it doesn't have a setting to drive a finish-nail into fine furniture?

i know i would....it would be useful to home miners too that want to run their miners in the summer so they can underclock them during peak/high temp hours and run them at normal speeds when the temps drop and power rates are lower. i run 1 s9 in my basement to keep it warm in the winter but it costs too much to run these things in the house during the summer at least for me. in the winter they replace the space heaters i would use to heat rooms but high traffic areas of the house get an underclocked s7 not an s9.

im not sure why they refuse to add the ability to underclock the miner. i would think most people wouldnt/dont overclock their s7's-9's so removing the ability to underclock them is a bit confusing to me and i never really understood it.

More than likely it isn't time just yet,when the miners get outdated (like in a few days    ) someone will start the hacking,always do 

I am missing a tech discussion on the thread. Are there no technophiles here?

There are a number of issues which would be interesting to look at:

• Hacking the hashboards
• Hacking the controllers
• Auditing the boot process

To achieve the following:

• Performance Monitoring
• Frequency tuning
• Fan tuning
• Remote control

Probably we are all head deep in our daily lives running the hamster wheel, that spare time comes at a premium?

Nevermind. I think I answered my own question. Had a typo in the bmminer.sh file.

Does anyone have a clue why single-board-test listens on port 6060, when running /etc/init.d/bmminer restart


Then nothing happens and bmmminer *does not start*

It's one of the pages at Slush Pool.