Topic: bitZino - Bitcoin Casino - Blackjack, Roulette, 3 Card Poker, Slots and more! - page 34. (Read 82361 times)

I'm talking about the 'bet per click' box, not the bet sizing box, in case you misunderstood.

Although I think I'd also like to see the full set of 4 buttons in the bet sizing box, not just the 2 to make the bets bigger.


Thanks.  I'm sure you'll have it all back soon. 

I just noticed I have to click 4 times per spin if I want to double my previous bet:
1) repeat last
2) click bet
3) click x2
4) spin

It's a little cumbersome compared to doing the same on blackjack (where I think I can just click x2 and then play) but then roulette is more complex than blackjack when it comes to placing bets.

How about an "auto repeat last" checkbox?

I like the changes you've made.  The focus in the text input box is good, but I still have to delete the previous bet.  It's conceivable that I'd type my new bet but forget to delete the previous bet, and end up with something huge in the field.  Would it be better to have the old amount selected, so that typing will delete it?

Finally, I notice that the spin animation freezes for a split second shortly before it stops.  I'm guessing that happens when you get the winning number from the server.  At that point the "repeat last" button stops being greyed out, and the "spinning" button changes back to "spin".  But the animation continues after the UI has updated.  It's a little distracting, and would look smoother if the updates were done after the spin finishes, not during the spin.

Playing around some more... I think it would be helpful to know how much you have on the table.

I haven't had the chance to play with real bitcoins yet, but I did with play money and I noticed a small bug: while the ball is spinning, it is possible to click on clear bets button. This increases your balance again, although once the ball is done spinning it gets corrected and you see the correct amount again.

Also I agree with Casascius's about the popup dialog: I think it would be better if it only shows when you click on an already placed bet. Although you already answered that point

For the rest, great job! I love the clean, minimalistic design of bitZino and the way roulette is implemented fits in nicely.

+1 as well... I love this kind of explanation and transparency.  And now that you have more than BJ I might actually 'give' you some money!

Thanks! I almost felt bad to launch roulette so shortly after making that post, because I wanted to continue discussing it But instead I had to derail the conversation, haha.

I haven't played your roulette yet, but I just wanted to say thank you for the explanation of how you assess risk of ruin. I found it very interesting.

That's a great idea. We don't do that yet, but we definitely should be! We'll add it shortly.


Yikes! That was a bug that got introduced when we launched roulette. Fortunately it was just a display bug. It's been fixed now!

We also pushed out some of the minor bug fixes and tweaks discussed earlier:
- Bet per click is now correctly remembered between hands.
- Reclicking on a bet will increment the bet, rather than dismissing the popup.
  -We decided to not do the change where we only show the popup on the second click - it turned out that this was somewhat of a confusing flow - it was non-obvious why the popup would show sometimes and not other times.
  -We also tweaked the behavior so that the bet is not incremented if the popup isn't already showing unless it's the first click. This allows you to click on a bet to make edits to it without having the bet be modified first.
- The input box gets focus automatically when the bet popup appears (only on non-mobile devices).
- The style of winning bets is changed to have a white drop shadow instead of a red shadow.

Still to do today is some animation timing tweaks, as well as experimentation with hover effects.

Thanks for all the feedback, and keep it coming!

The video poker has a bug - if you press the Bet button while it is greyed out (because you're supposed to hit Draw), the game malfunctions with the following message: Out of Sync You have modified this table in another window Your previous action has not been taken. This table has been refreshed, and you can now continue playing.

A large number of video poker games have the bet/draw button be the same or in the same position, so it is natural to want to click the same position after choosing which cards to hold.

Also, and you may already do this, can you data tag the field so that only the numeric keys show on mobile devices?


EDIT:  Here is a link: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6753600/iphone-development-how-to-display-a-numeric-keyboard

I just realize I never really addressed this in my last post.

We had this behavior at first, but it was really bad on mobile devices, because it brought up the onscreen keyboard, which blocked half the screen. However, I agree that it would be nice on non-mobile devices to have this behavior. I'll see if I can get this to behave ideally on both.

I like this idea a lot. Overall this just seems like a much smoother flow. I'll implement this. Along with Dooglus's recommendations above, I think the overall flow for betting will be much better once we make these changes.


This one may be tough. I think it could potentially get confusing for users too. I'll do some experimentation though and see if it's workable.


This makes sense.

This fits with a long-standing issue we've been meaning to address which is just providing general animation options for all of our games (ie, fast/slow/no animations).


I'll experiment with this. I suspect it could potentially be confusing/overwhelming (I generally don't like to have too much stuff happen on mouseover). You can also always click the "Repeat" button, and then click "Clear" to effectively see a preview.


This makes sense. I'll do it.

Thanks for the detailed feedback! I added a quarter BTC to your account to show my appreciation

Yikes! I agree - details definitely matter, and I don't want to send the wrong impression with such a silly spelling mistake.

It's fixed now Thanks!

Some more ideas for your Roulette UI after a little bit of playing:

1. the popup menu when you place a chip.  This should be gotten rid of for single clicks.  Lots of players like to just throw chips on number spots, and this popup menu gets in the way of just joy-clicking the table.  However, it would make sense for the popup menu to appear if a user has clicked an existing bet, so they can declare whether they are removing it or changing it.

Example behavior: on the spot "27": first click should place 1 chip there (or current setting of "Bet per click") and nothing more.  Second click should place a second chip there (balance permitting), as well as pop up the menu.  Each additional click on the same spot should increase the bet by 1xBetPerClick.

2. Allow bets to be dragged around on the table, including dragging a bet to "my chips" to remove it from the table.

3. make the wheel spin slower by default, but add an option so it can be sped up or the spinning "skipped" directly to the end result with a click.

4. when mousing over Repeat Last, show what bets are about to be Repeated using transparency.

5. Lengthen the fade time for losing bets - or put a delay in front of it.  They fade away too fast for you to go and see "what you did wrong" (rhetorically of course) or how "close" you were.

Please spellcheck the OP, "featuring" should have an A in it.  In casino software, the details matter, and this is an easy fix.

Ah yes, this is indeed a bug. We have a fix which we'll be pushing out shortly shortly. Thanks!

What's your username on bitZino? I'll comp you some BTC for helping to find this bug.

Thanks


Yeah, now that I think about it, I agree, red is associated with losing. I like your suggestion of white instead, it looks pretty good.


This makes a lot of sense. I'll make this change. The only thing to consider is how to easily close the popup (since that's the current behavior of re-clicking). You can actually just click anywhere on the table to close it, but that's not necessarily obvious. I think I'll add a 'X' to the top right.


Yeah, this does actually make sense. We're going to have to re-think the popup box somewhat though - I don't want to make it too much bigger. We'll see what we can come up with.

I comped you a quarter BTC, Dooglus for being so helpful with the bug reports and suggestions. Keep it coming though!

Thanks for the feedback everyone, and keep it coming! I love launching new features to this forum, you guys are great!

When I click on a number to bet, there's a box I can type into to edit the bet size.  It doesn't have keyboard focus until I click on the box.  Could that be changed?  I want to be able to click 'red' then immediately type '27' rather than having to click the text entry box first.

I hadn't even noticed the 'bet per click'.  It gets reset to 1 for me too.  "per click" in the wording seems to suggest that each click will bet that amount, so if I click twice on a number it bets twice that amount (see my second comment in my previous post).

Also I'd like to see the 'x2 +1 -1 1/2' buttons next to the 'bet per click' box, just like there are for the bet sizing box for blackjack.

I agree.  That's a fantastic interface.  I like how you pare the games down to the bare essentials rather than trying to reproduce the physical games.

2 comments:

* I'm not sure about outlining winning bets in red.  Red's somehow a "losing" colour for me, and also suggests something about the red/black result.  I'd pick a colour that isn't red or black.  Perhaps a light (white, cyan, yellow?) colour.  I mean the red outline on the '36' below:



* When I click on the table it places a bet of '1'.  I'd like to be able to click again in the same spot to increment the bet.  So if I want to bet '3', I could just click 3 times.  Currently I have to click once then target the little '+1' button which isn't even always in the same position relative to where I clicked.  Sometimes it's above and sometimes it's below the mouse cursor.

When that's all I can come up with to complain about you know you've done something right!  

For roulette, the "bet per click" is getting reset to 1 every time I spin.

Haha, shoot, I knew I was forgetting something btw,  I'm pretty sure you're the bet proof-reader I know