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Topic: Black Arrow 28nm 100Ghash Bitcoin ASIC from $0.49/GH/s - page 102. (Read 787050 times)

sr. member
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Incorrect.
Chips are 1w/gh @ 120gh, ~.85w/gh @ 100gh. Tested on live units.


Sure. Even with what you said, compared to S3

              S3                     BA             Hex4M
Cost       450 (0.725btc)    4x360?       205 Euro + cost of 4 Minions
Avail      10-20 July             ??             2 to 4 weeks once Minion chips arrive (when?)
Power      366W                4x120W       4x120W
Speed      478GH               480GH          480GH


Enuff said.
hero member
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Hey Bobsag, was the surprise ever revealed and I missed it?  Or is it still under wraps?

Surprise was that BA was not going to Price/Hashrate Match per their previous promises....

Surprise!
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It's 1W/Gh/s @ 100Gh/s at the wall, the efficiency is the same no matter how you clock and volt it. They even mentioned this fact when they first got their chips.

Incorrect.
Chips are 1w/gh @ 120gh, ~.85w/gh @ 100gh. Tested on live units.







hero member
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Founder of Incakoin
Question: The difficulty is raising too fast! Will my miner produce any BTC by the time it ships?

Answer: Your miner will produce the most bitcoins compared to any other similar priced miner. We think the rising quota in network difficulty should slow down as the power hungry hardware currently on the market will not be soon worth running. With our products we try and make the best design possible for the 28nm process node. We have optimized the chip towards best efficiency and raise the hashing power while ensuring stability. The next step as we see it will be a lower process node. Every possible optimization has been done on our products.

Furthermore, the price per BTC is increasing at an ever increasing rate. As the price increases it will offset the difficulty.
sr. member
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WTF..

why did PENTAX and my post got delted ?

newbie
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It's 1W/Gh/s @ 100Gh/s at the wall, the efficiency is the same no matter how you clock and volt it. They even mentioned this fact when they first got their chips.

pls link

Efficiency for now is fixed cause voltages are locked @ 0,8 V, so by real measurement X1 has the same W/Gh/s clocked at 800Mhz or 1000Mhz. Let it run @ 500Mhz and drop the voltage @ 0,6 V et voilà efficiency will magically rise. Losses on voltage regulators will drop too. Every chip has its own limits but can perform differently depending on the working zone.

If the control board is capable of this ( there are some post where i ask it) what are they waiting for Huh
newbie
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Noone speaking about "Minion powered at 0.6V and the efficiency is 0.5W/ghash at the wall @ 50 Gh/s" Huh?

When will we see this result on an X1 or X3 Huh  
X1 working at this state could be the one low hashrate capable to run standalone in high efficiency
On X3 could be the only way for ppl who order a large amount of HW to handle compensation ( total power draw problmes )

Why work on X2, when few lines of code (+ few hours of 1 person ) can solve this givin you (very) little better immage @ cost near zero Huh??  

Lets do a little math here, 0.5W/Gh/s @ 50Gh/s = 1.2W/Gh/s @ 120Gh/s.

Ok, let's do some math (let's assume 5w x control board, we will not consider HW cost cause is the same in both cases) :

0.5 @ 50 + 5 = 30W total power draw = 0.720KWh daily @ 0.2 $/Kwh = OPERATIVE COST 0.144 $ --- BTC mined @ current diff 0.001495 = 0,9269 $/day

1 w/Gh/s (not 1,2 !!!) @120 Gh/s = 120 W and let's include control board = 2.88KWh @ 0.2 = 0.576$ --- BTC mined = 0.003588 = 2,2245 $/day

You can make 0.78$ day spending 0,144$ or 1.65$ day spending 0.576$.  Both are resonable but I prefer first option cause difficulty break even is much more far, as well as the probability of smaller adjustments.

Not to mention the fact that for someone who bought some X3 could be happy to comsume much more than half + probably not need A/C cooling.
newbie
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Noone speaking about "Minion powered at 0.6V and the efficiency is 0.5W/ghash at the wall @ 50 Gh/s" Huh?

When will we see this result on an X1 or X3 Huh 
X1 working at this state could be the one low hashrate capable to run standalone in high efficiency
On X3 could be the only way for ppl who order a large amount of HW to handle compensation ( total power draw problmes )

Why work on X2, when few lines of code (+ few hours of 1 person ) can solve this givin you (very) little better immage @ cost near zero Huh?? 
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After running some numbers, I am willing to pay $25 per chip.  If you have chips on the way or in hand and are interested in getting out of the game, please let me know.  Will buy in packs of 8.  Due to the length it may take to get these onto boards and actually hashing, that is the best price I can give at this time.

I think most everyone would be willing to pay 25 bucks per chip. After assembly that's somewhere south of $1 per GH/S.

8 chips for a 4 chip board. = $200
and 150 bucks for coolers and PSU and controller.

$350 for 400-480 GH/S.

Not a bad deal.

Yea, but look at the uncertainties.  It is 2 to 4 weeks to get them put onto the boards once Technobit gets them.  It could take a week or more to get Technobit the chips, plus time to mail back, setup, and get everything running.  You are probably looking at miners 3 to 6 weeks down the road, and who knows what the environment would be like.  I am hesitant at $25 ea, and I probably won't take many at that price before dropping down to $20 or below.

Dude, you have balls of steel. Trying to influence the market value of these chips in such an obvious way. I know you've got your twisted little heart set on sinking the company and making the enigineers cry, but you're taking it too far. Now maybe your price is a fair street price, but tell me why you suddenly want anything to do with a BA product after the amount of vitriol you've spewed in their direction?

It's about making money/BTC.......same as,why would anyone buy anything from Avalon  Roll Eyes

I get it, but I got the impression that ANY price was too high for Mr. James Stuart. It just plays out to me as either a two-faced money grab, or a sabotage attempt.
legendary
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After running some numbers, I am willing to pay $25 per chip.  If you have chips on the way or in hand and are interested in getting out of the game, please let me know.  Will buy in packs of 8.  Due to the length it may take to get these onto boards and actually hashing, that is the best price I can give at this time.

I think most everyone would be willing to pay 25 bucks per chip. After assembly that's somewhere south of $1 per GH/S.

8 chips for a 4 chip board. = $200
and 150 bucks for coolers and PSU and controller.

$350 for 400-480 GH/S.

Not a bad deal.

Yea, but look at the uncertainties.  It is 2 to 4 weeks to get them put onto the boards once Technobit gets them.  It could take a week or more to get Technobit the chips, plus time to mail back, setup, and get everything running.  You are probably looking at miners 3 to 6 weeks down the road, and who knows what the environment would be like.  I am hesitant at $25 ea, and I probably won't take many at that price before dropping down to $20 or below.

Dude, you have balls of steel. Trying to influence the market value of these chips in such an obvious way. I know you've got your twisted little heart set on sinking the company and making the enigineers cry, but you're taking it too far. Now maybe your price is a fair street price, but tell me why you suddenly want anything to do with a BA product after the amount of vitriol you've spewed in their direction?

It's about making money/BTC.......same as,why would anyone buy anything from Avalon  Roll Eyes
newbie
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After running some numbers, I am willing to pay $25 per chip.  If you have chips on the way or in hand and are interested in getting out of the game, please let me know.  Will buy in packs of 8.  Due to the length it may take to get these onto boards and actually hashing, that is the best price I can give at this time.

I think most everyone would be willing to pay 25 bucks per chip. After assembly that's somewhere south of $1 per GH/S.

8 chips for a 4 chip board. = $200
and 150 bucks for coolers and PSU and controller.

$350 for 400-480 GH/S.

Not a bad deal.

Yea, but look at the uncertainties.  It is 2 to 4 weeks to get them put onto the boards once Technobit gets them.  It could take a week or more to get Technobit the chips, plus time to mail back, setup, and get everything running.  You are probably looking at miners 3 to 6 weeks down the road, and who knows what the environment would be like.  I am hesitant at $25 ea, and I probably won't take many at that price before dropping down to $20 or below.

Dude, you have balls of steel. Trying to influence the market value of these chips in such an obvious way. I know you've got your twisted little heart set on sinking the company and making the enigineers cry, but you're taking it too far. Now maybe your price is a fair street price, but tell me why you suddenly want anything to do with a BA product after the amount of vitriol you've spewed in their direction?
legendary
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Sorry for your loss. What other miners do you own or have on pre-order?

Fortunately none other than my x1.

I couldn't even bring myself to preorder the s3 because as with every competent company, bitmain will have no problem selling from stock if their hardware is solid.

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Hope any straggler MS customers opts for refund or Gift card comp.  Minersource is the only decent thing to come out of this Black Arrow debacle.  They've treated me well and been very responsive.  Total opposite from those BA ass rapists...

The thing is I really doubt minersource has enough funds to refund everyone. I'm a fan of MS as well which is partially why I held off on requesting a refund for so long.

The other reason was because I thought BA would give us reasonable compensation like tripling each order or exchange miners for 10 x amount of chips.

I must admit that you make weird choices. You choose to do a full pre-order with BA, but you didn't pre-order from bitmain who has much better reputation than BA who is stalling since February.
legendary
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After running some numbers, I am willing to pay $25 per chip.  If you have chips on the way or in hand and are interested in getting out of the game, please let me know.  Will buy in packs of 8.  Due to the length it may take to get these onto boards and actually hashing, that is the best price I can give at this time.

I think most everyone would be willing to pay 25 bucks per chip. After assembly that's somewhere south of $1 per GH/S.

8 chips for a 4 chip board. = $200
and 150 bucks for coolers and PSU and controller.

$350 for 400-480 GH/S.

Not a bad deal.
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So who has chips in hand they are willing to sell?  Anyone besides BA directly I would consider buying their chips.  Chips must be in hand.

We will have 400 chips on Thursday in hand.

Do you know what your price point will be?

There seems to be a lot misinformation about these, has someone compiled a list of what is exactly needed for these to get up an running?

Also, will I be contacted for my hosting or do I need to email you guys?

Same price as BA's site at time of order.
Technobit has it listed on his site what you need for each miner.

Do you have a link to your assembly group deal?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=681085.new#new
legendary
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So who has chips in hand they are willing to sell?  Anyone besides BA directly I would consider buying their chips.  Chips must be in hand.

We will have 400 chips on Thursday in hand.

Do you know what your price point will be?

There seems to be a lot misinformation about these, has someone compiled a list of what is exactly needed for these to get up an running?

Also, will I be contacted for my hosting or do I need to email you guys?

Same price as BA's site at time of order.
Technobit has it listed on his site what you need for each miner.

Do you have a link to your assembly group deal?
hero member
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Owner, Minersource.net
So who has chips in hand they are willing to sell?  Anyone besides BA directly I would consider buying their chips.  Chips must be in hand.

We will have 400 chips on Thursday in hand.

Do you know what your price point will be?

There seems to be a lot misinformation about these, has someone compiled a list of what is exactly needed for these to get up an running?

Also, will I be contacted for my hosting or do I need to email you guys?

Same price as BA's site at time of order.
Technobit has it listed on his site what you need for each miner.
legendary
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Hey Flappy, are you the UK reseller?

Yes  Smiley

Dear FlappySocks, if you are the UK reseller, could you please send an update email to your customers like when you went to China to see BA?
When do you expect the orders to be delivered? What options do we have? Do we get 3TH's as promised by BA? Chips instead of miners? Power Supply included with compensation unit? Are you able to offer refunds like MS is doing?
That would be nice.

hero member
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Owner, Minersource.net
So who has chips in hand they are willing to sell?  Anyone besides BA directly I would consider buying their chips.  Chips must be in hand.

We will have 400 chips on Thursday in hand.
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Not to discourage anyone... but in addition to getting the boards populated with the chips you need cooling (do the boards from Technobit include the fans?), a box for mounting, power supplies, connectors/cables. Some sort of front end that can communicate with all the boards, hosting... who is going to provide all that and more importantly at what cost?
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As I understand there is no working prototype till now from technobit so good luck there too...
Sorry if you think it is not right to be posted here
I do not think you are well informed:
7 Hex4M Minion based boards on a single TP-link




actually, I'm glad you have.  I am wondering if you have stock to handle a crush of customers asking for 25 stuffed boards each and if you will offer a price break at 100 minions.

so, what is the lead and what is the cost for people that may want to decide to convert their X-3 orders to 100 minion chips and convert them to working boards

please be conservative on the lead/capacity issue. 
Our assembly service is2 weeks after the chips got here.
WE have enough PCB's coming in end of this week
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