Black Arrow 28nm 100Ghash Bitcoin ASIC from $0.49/GH/s - page 121.

y_boonstra

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Quote from: Metabolix on June 25, 2014, 11:24:51 PM

Hello guys, I have made a decision, this I sent to BA on 24th of June - Regarding to very bad communication with your company and still uncofirmed term of delivery of my order which I payed in advance (despite the fact that value of hardware is much lower than at the date of putting the order, and is still lowering with every day on), I forwarded this affair to my counsel who calculates my financial loss plus management costs. If a whole situation will not be successfully closed until 27th od June then it will be solved by lawsuit.

Still got no answer, anyone from Czech republic?

Good disisson, keep us updated

Metabolix

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Hello guys, I have made a decision, this I sent to BA on 24th of June - Regarding to very bad communication with your company and still uncofirmed term of delivery of my order which I payed in advance (despite the fact that value of hardware is much lower than at the date of putting the order, and is still lowering with every day on), I forwarded this affair to my counsel who calculates my financial loss plus management costs. If a whole situation will not be successfully closed until 27th od June then it will be solved by lawsuit.

Still got no answer, anyone from Czech republic?

ernie-

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So is the compensation for poor people like me that only ordered a single batch 1 X1 unit from Minersource still effectively zero? I don't call a buy 2 get one free offer really compensation as it requires further outlay, it's more of a discount coupon promo then true compensation.

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Quote from: DebitMe on June 25, 2014, 08:57:24 PM

Quote from: CryptoGuy on June 25, 2014, 08:40:27 PM

It's simple really. Minersource is subject to lawsuits since they're in the US. If they go down because of BA, no other reseller will ever touch them.

Bobsag has said that all of batch 1 will be shipped next Monday, that's the absolute last straw for me in terms of dates and leveraging the risk in accepting these units and what I think compensation will be. No tracking on Monday = Refund email will be sent. (Bobsag, if you think it may be Tuesday, let us know now and I'll give you a day grace period, otherwise there isn't much I can do come Monday with no tracking) I think I have been pretty reasonable up to this point, but as these dates that, "all of batch 1 will be shipped by XX" continue to be proclaimed, I am losing interest in these machines. Their expected ROI is negative as it is, the only saving grace is a compensation package that is worth it, but hope for anything worth while is quickly fading, and the risk is getting past my tolerance level.

Bobsag said on ecointalk that there were less than 5000 x1s ordered. So let's assume there was 4500. Let's also say 3000 were from MS and 2000 are batch 1. I really don't think they're getting 2000 on Monday. So Bobsag, can you elaborate on how the process will go. How many are you getting (you should know by now)?How many can go out a day to your customers? Surely all of batch 1 can't go out in one day.

Debitme: I think you should get that email ready

CryptoGuy

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It's simple really. Minersource is subject to lawsuits since they're in the US. If they go down because of BA, no other reseller will ever touch them.

lajz99

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Just stopping by to catch up so I feel better about my decisions...

nibbknot

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The Future Of Work

Quote from: thomas_s on June 25, 2014, 06:13:41 PM

Quote from: nibbknot on June 25, 2014, 06:12:10 PM

Quote from: ChuckBuck on June 25, 2014, 06:03:08 PM

Quote from: chomeop on June 25, 2014, 05:59:38 PM

Why is MS getting orders shipped to him?

There are quite a few of us who ordered and paid back in September last year before MS was even a re-seller.

My order is mid thirties, I have opened tickets saying I don't care if its RPI, ceaseless, no LCD.
WHERE THE FUCK IS MY ORDER?

This is infuriating!

Guessing re-sellers get dibs first before average Joe. Not how it should be, but distributors buy up so much stock, hard to not fulfill their orders first.

Funny how the other two resellers aren't getting any complaints from their customers.

I like how this post has been ignored in its entirety.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7493117

I'll bite. Exactly what sort of assembly could Matt possibly be doing that couldn't be done by BA to make the shipping process so streamline? What I'm seeing is a slowdown. Enlighten us please Mr. Former Co-Op guy.

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Quote from: nibbknot on June 25, 2014, 06:12:10 PM

Quote from: ChuckBuck on June 25, 2014, 06:03:08 PM

Quote from: chomeop on June 25, 2014, 05:59:38 PM

Why is MS getting orders shipped to him?

There are quite a few of us who ordered and paid back in September last year before MS was even a re-seller.

My order is mid thirties, I have opened tickets saying I don't care if its RPI, ceaseless, no LCD.
WHERE THE FUCK IS MY ORDER?

This is infuriating!

Guessing re-sellers get dibs first before average Joe. Not how it should be, but distributors buy up so much stock, hard to not fulfill their orders first.

Funny how the other two resellers aren't getting any complaints from their customers.

I like how this post has been ignored in its entirety.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7493117

nibbknot

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The Future Of Work

Quote from: ChuckBuck on June 25, 2014, 06:03:08 PM

Quote from: chomeop on June 25, 2014, 05:59:38 PM

Why is MS getting orders shipped to him?

There are quite a few of us who ordered and paid back in September last year before MS was even a re-seller.

My order is mid thirties, I have opened tickets saying I don't care if its RPI, ceaseless, no LCD.
WHERE THE FUCK IS MY ORDER?

This is infuriating!

Guessing re-sellers get dibs first before average Joe. Not how it should be, but distributors buy up so much stock, hard to not fulfill their orders first.

Funny how the other two resellers aren't getting any complaints from their customers.

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better everyday ♥

Quote from: chomeop on June 25, 2014, 05:59:38 PM

Why is MS getting orders shipped to him?

There are quite a few of us who ordered and paid back in September last year before MS was even a re-seller.

My order is mid thirties, I have opened tickets saying I don't care if its RPI, ceaseless, no LCD.
WHERE THE FUCK IS MY ORDER?

This is infuriating!

Guessing re-sellers get dibs first before average Joe. Not how it should be, but distributors buy up so much stock, hard to not fulfill their orders first.

chomeop

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Why is MS getting orders shipped to him?

There are quite a few of us who ordered and paid back in September last year before MS was even a re-seller.

My order is mid thirties, I have opened tickets saying I don't care if its RPI, ceaseless, no LCD.
WHERE THE FUCK IS MY ORDER?

This is infuriating!

nexus99

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Quote from: gamer4156 on June 25, 2014, 01:26:01 PM

I called in to see if I could Pick up my X-1 from MS and was told that they are out of stock and will be getting more in on monday.

That's good news. I am waiting on 5 more units...

david105396

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Quote from: ?? on ??

There's some evidence of what is really going on here from the ecointalk forum. They're "working" on 14nm, which basically confirms that we are exactly in the position of 55nm BFL customers waiting for delivery via a Ponzi on Monarch orders. Expect the compensation to only happen after preorders for the next project to open up.

It was already said back in November and is public knowledge. Nothing new.
https://www.blackarrowsoftware.com/support/index.php?/Knowledgebase/Article/View/35/0/what-are-black-arrow-plans-for-the-future-are-you-developing-new-devices

btct22

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Where the hell are the X-1's for people that bought direct from BA Huh

ohh we can make 20000 units a day they said.. we're ahead of schedule they said in f'ing nov/dec .. argh!!!

david105396

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Quote from: TheMinex on June 25, 2014, 09:47:38 AM

Quote from: bobsag3 on June 25, 2014, 09:23:41 AM

Quote from: TheMinex on June 25, 2014, 09:18:10 AM

tempestb I really doubt that BFL which produce the first melting PCIE board in the world can ever produce energy efficient HW.

Speaking about X1 ; david said that heatsink is not so hot at the touch, and all people read the internal chip temperature near 80°C. Heatsink with heatpipes should be very efficient to transfer heat, so deltaT between chip & exaust air shoul be very low. Is termal paste applied correctly???

Reading Bob's mesures what I think is this:

1 - More than 120Gh @ under 120W is good, cause freq can be adjust between 1200 Mhz and 800 Mhz, it seems like BA choose to deliver all hardware OC by default (correct me if I worng).

2 - If we get less than 1 W/Gh in max freq state, there must be room to improve it in lower speed states, but doing it for the moment dosen't seems to increase efficiency significantly.

3 - Possible cause. Chip + power regulators have better dynamic power dissipation than static power dissipation which is good, and this could be why errors increase lowering frequency ( makeing this, chip is forced to pass more time where it dosen't like - especially if it is hot )

Fixes - try anything possible to cool more chip ( this will be good for efficiency & stability at any state ).
- control voltages (Bob said on ecoin that this will be possible, I suggest david to write this in firsts order on the work to do list for programmers, cause achieving for example 0,7 W/Gh will seriously impove BA situation ).

Bob (or anyone else) , is there any drop in temperatures when you run @ 1000Mhz or lower Huh

I dont think the software based temp sensors, or their software is not working. Our X1s report either 0, 60 or 80c, nothing else.

Clocking to 800mhz only drops the speed, does not seem to impact power consumption all that much. Seems the sweet spot is 1000-1100mhz.

I didn't said sw is not working, only suggest BA implement voltage controls as fast as they can (I see temperatures only HW related) Wink

. The fact that 800Mhz drops only speed, fully support my thesis. Grin

Would be a shame we can't acieve the better energy consumption only for those little details Roll Eyes

Sry ninjaboon but I see this as a general X1 topic and I don't want to make bob and david start to loose time jumping along btctalk. Those detalis could be usefull of every X1 future older too.

The chip can still be tuned and tweaked. The thermal paste is applied properly and does its job well. While I was working on my X-1 I got it running but forgot I didn't have the fan on it. The heatsink and thermal paste work very well

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Quote from: ?? on ??

Fine with me, i will get out of the scam as soon as possible from now on im on a strict NO PREORDERS rule.

I wish more people would stop pre-ordering. It's fueling one of the worst behaved industries I have ever seen. There is a class action going against Cointerra atm.

http://www.coindesk.com/cointerra-mediation-class-action-lawsuit/

Most of the ASIC manufacturers have failed to deliver on their pre-order promises. This type of funding is bad for all, and should stop. Other industries rely on venture capital with strict controls not pre-orders.

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Quote from: ?? on ??

There's some evidence of what is really going on here from the ecointalk forum. They're "working" on 14nm, which basically confirms that we are exactly in the position of 55nm BFL customers waiting for delivery via a Ponzi on Monarch orders. Expect the compensation to only happen after preorders for the next project to open up.

If they intend to fund a 14nm (is that even available yet?) chip they are going to struggle considering their track record. They would have to produce AMAZING compensation to show the world that they won't get screwed if they preorder with Black Arrow.

The only reason BFL was able to get initial Monarch preorders was that the 55nm miners were so late, and shipping was so slow that folks felt they wouldn't get their money back by the time they got their miner, so they went to the front of the line on the now "very late" Monarchs. They didn't foresee the sudden rise in Bitcoin value that at least allowed the 55nm line to make back the Fiat people spent rather than the Bitcoins. Those people must feel completely depressed about how much they've lost out trusting them twice.

And like Black Arrow, they forecast completely unrealistic release dates to gather as many preorders as possible.

sorehammer

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lol plus send you a few extra units to do and send on to other customers

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Quote from: sorehammer on June 25, 2014, 01:25:09 PM

kingcolex that would do me fine.

It would me to, but lets see what they end up deciding on, honestly i don't expect ANYTHING lower than 100% but it should definitely be 200% (as an x2 would probably be close on price for them to manufactor (no lcd, have all inhouse parts just a throw together and go))

That would be too easy though

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I called in to see if I could Pick up my X-1 from MS and was told that they are out of stock and will be getting more in on monday.

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