Black Arrow 28nm 100Ghash Bitcoin ASIC from $0.49/GH/s - page 130.

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Quote from: Dallas5 on June 21, 2014, 07:06:17 AM

Don't forget you got to pay import tax which will at least be a few 100 euro's.

This.

Opted to wait for fully functional units with all advertised features.
It'd rather resell fancy paperweights then unfinished ghettorigs.
I want the product i preordered, not some halffinished rushed cluster of untested hardware.
As for compensation, it has to be calculated based on the shipping date of the final miners.

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Can't help myself to check Black Arrow forum and here for more of their weekly bullshit.

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Quote from: btcminer84 on June 21, 2014, 06:47:07 AM

Quote from: notbatman on June 21, 2014, 05:47:53 AM

Is it true that customers who live behind the european curtain are looking at running a miner that could end up costing them money? How much life can they suck out of a customer?

Me, as a fucking german inmate behind the european curtain say: Unfortunately YES. They miners are nothing worth anymore due to high power costs.

Don't forget you got to pay import tax which will at least be a few 100 euro's.

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Quote from: notbatman on June 21, 2014, 05:47:53 AM

Is it true that customers who live behind the european curtain are looking at running a miner that could end up costing them money? How much life can they suck out of a customer?

Me, as a fucking german inmate behind the european curtain say: Unfortunately YES. They miners are nothing worth anymore due to high power costs.

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Any news on the shippment bobsag3 .

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I'm satisfied if I get 1TH/S cloud mining for a year from my 2x X1 order.. guess that's hoping a lot though.

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Lux e tenebris

Quote from: bobsag3 on June 20, 2014, 07:28:39 PM

Quote from: Bogart on June 20, 2014, 06:45:41 PM

Quote from: fivejonnyfive on June 20, 2014, 11:28:14 AM

With the caveat that the 5 month delay is quite bad, and the sincere hope of at BARE MINIMUM 1:1 compensation...

At least there is finally clear evidence of mass production!

1:3.3 compensation would be more appropriate.

Difficulty on Feb 24th when our miners were supposed to ship: 3,129,573,175
Difficulty today: 13,462,580,115

(Probably more by the time they actually ship.)

If anything, I would like to see something along these lines.

Plus even a bit more for the 3.3x power and we've got a deal Grin

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Quote from: Pistachio on June 20, 2014, 07:42:42 PM

Funny how the wording in part's of your post is just like that of the last email I received from Dan over at minersource Wink

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Minersource committed fraud when they took people's money under false pretenses to perpetuate BA's scam. X3 units do not exist at present and I highly doubt anyone will receive compensation units for X3s or X1s. There will be more delays and problems with the PCBs. My bet is Blackarrow will be filing bankruptcy right after they ship a few X3s and before anyone receives a refund from them. Minersource is responsible for what they sell on their site. I don't want to hear any of this crap that it's BA fault. You decided to resell their non-existent equipment, no one forced you. I am in contact with Bitpay and the FTC. I will continue to pursue this to the fullest.

Quote from: fivejonnyfive on June 20, 2014, 07:22:44 PM

Quote from: Pistachio on June 20, 2014, 05:58:50 PM

Well your buddies are refusing to give me a refund for the PSUs that they don't even possess and that were meant to solve a problem that they created. The compensation units are not real and will never ship. This is a scam. Minersource knowing or not participated in committing fraud.

They also offered to refund you the same amount of dollars you paid.

Also: They'll probably be late, and it will probably be far from enough compensation, but I bet the compensation units will actually ship.

Finally: Minersource in no way "created" any problem. They got the same promises from BA that we all did. And if they acted in good faith - and all evidence so far indicates that they did (I'm not extending that faith to BA, yet) then they were merely a victim of the fraud and not culpable as you suggest.

The fact that you are unwilling to take any semblance of culpability for the fact that you ordered a unit which says directly on the page "No free shipping for non-minersource orders" and are subsequently bitching about having to pay for shipping - you have personality problems my friend. No hate. But seriously?

Everybody else in this thread, including the employees of minersource, is frustrated with BA. Your problem is of YOUR OWN CREATION. It has been offered to be resolved for you for what I find to be fair terms and you reject them.

nobody even refused you a refund. they offered you a refund in equivalent USD but you want the BTC amount. If the exchange rate went the other way, you'd want the USD amount. Take what you can get. QED.

Do your thing bro. I honestly don't care I just think you're acting like a child.

"Funny" that my message sounds like minersource's? No. It's just logic. Apparently my decuction regarding the situation is accurate. I don't work for them I just buy from them and sure they pay a small bit for my signature but that obliges me not to do this. I've recieved a total of $30 from them and need a lot more to shill. I live in NYC not CO FYI.

Also: I'm versed in the law, and the FTC and bitpay will likely laugh in your face.
Do your thing man I really don't care. Just trying to inject logic.

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Quote from: Bogart on June 20, 2014, 06:45:41 PM

Quote from: fivejonnyfive on June 20, 2014, 11:28:14 AM

With the caveat that the 5 month delay is quite bad, and the sincere hope of at BARE MINIMUM 1:1 compensation...

At least there is finally clear evidence of mass production!

1:3.3 compensation would be more appropriate.

Difficulty on Feb 24th when our miners were supposed to ship: 3,129,573,175
Difficulty today: 13,462,580,115

(Probably more by the time they actually ship.)

If anything, I would like to see something along these lines.

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Quote from: Pistachio on June 20, 2014, 05:58:50 PM

Well your buddies are refusing to give me a refund for the PSUs that they don't even possess and that were meant to solve a problem that they created. The compensation units are not real and will never ship. This is a scam. Minersource knowing or not participated in committing fraud.

They also offered to refund you the same amount of dollars you paid.

Also: They'll probably be late, and it will probably be far from enough compensation, but I bet the compensation units will actually ship.

Finally: Minersource in no way "created" any problem. They got the same promises from BA that we all did. And if they acted in good faith - and all evidence so far indicates that they did (I'm not extending that faith to BA, yet) then they were merely a victim of the fraud and not culpable as you suggest.

The fact that you are unwilling to take any semblance of culpability for the fact that you ordered a unit which says directly on the page "No free shipping for non-minersource orders" and are subsequently bitching about having to pay for shipping - you have personality problems my friend. No hate. But seriously?

Everybody else in this thread, including the employees of minersource, is frustrated with BA. Your problem is of YOUR OWN CREATION. It has been offered to be resolved for you for what I find to be fair terms and you reject them.

nobody even refused you a refund. they offered you a refund in equivalent USD but you want the BTC amount. If the exchange rate went the other way, you'd want the USD amount. Take what you can get. QED.

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Quote from: fivejonnyfive on June 20, 2014, 11:28:14 AM

With the caveat that the 5 month delay is quite bad, and the sincere hope of at BARE MINIMUM 1:1 compensation...

At least there is finally clear evidence of mass production!

1:3.3 compensation would be more appropriate.

Difficulty on Feb 24th when our miners were supposed to ship: 3,129,573,175
Difficulty today: 13,462,580,115

(Probably more by the time they actually ship.)

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I said the same thing about Terrahash and I received lots of hate for it. Then my posts were deleted. So, this response is expected. Welcome to Terrahash 2.0.

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Well your buddies are refusing to give me a refund for the PSUs that they don't even possess and that were meant to solve a problem that they created. The compensation units are not real and will never ship. This is a scam. Minersource knowing or not participated in committing fraud.

Quote from: fivejonnyfive on June 20, 2014, 05:13:25 PM

Quote from: Pistachio on June 20, 2014, 02:46:50 PM

They told me different before I ordered. Besides, why are defending them so much? Do you really think how they are handling this situation is okay?

Quote from: fivejonnyfive on June 20, 2014, 02:44:03 PM

Quote from: Pistachio on June 20, 2014, 02:40:51 PM

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Quote from: Pistachio on June 20, 2014, 02:27:04 PM

Update: Minersource contacted me and said that I need to pay another $30 for shipping or get a refund based on a reduced amount of BTC because the exchange rate has changed. They said they don't even have the PSUs in stock despite listing them on their website as "in stock" over a month ago. I filed a complaint with the FTC and I am waiting for a response from Minersource. Roll Eyes

Anyone know which payment processing company they use, so I can contact them next?

Just get a refund i don't see the issue. Sure they said it was instock but we all knew that wasn't the case and they should have converted it to fiat instantly if they were waiting on their supplier but since you are doing a refund from BA just take the refund.

They accepted 0.8028BTC under false pretenses for a product they do not even have. Why should they make money off the volatility in the BTC exchange rate? I should receive back the BTC I sent.

They aren't making money. They converted your bitcoin directly to fiat and will now convert that fiat directly to bitcoin.

Furthermore - minersource doesn't differentiate between "In Stock" and "Pre Order" in their store. Pre order items that are available for purchase say "In stock".
Since they said "item ships for free with your current order" a reasonable person would assume these would get shipped when the miners get shipped. The x1 psus for instance are probably on their way with the miners.

Seriously - calm down. You're falling out of your dress.

I'm defending minersource because I think they're doing the best they can reasonably do and have gotten something of the shaft from BA just like the rest of us.

I've ordered like 90% of the hardware I'm currently using from them and they're alright.

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did anyone consult some lawyer about this?is there any chance we can do something because I feel this not gonna finish good :DD

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Quote from: Pistachio on June 20, 2014, 02:46:50 PM

They told me different before I ordered. Besides, why are defending them so much? Do you really think how they are handling this situation is okay?

Quote from: fivejonnyfive on June 20, 2014, 02:44:03 PM

Quote from: Pistachio on June 20, 2014, 02:40:51 PM

Quote from: ?? on ??

Quote from: Pistachio on June 20, 2014, 02:27:04 PM

Update: Minersource contacted me and said that I need to pay another $30 for shipping or get a refund based on a reduced amount of BTC because the exchange rate has changed. They said they don't even have the PSUs in stock despite listing them on their website as "in stock" over a month ago. I filed a complaint with the FTC and I am waiting for a response from Minersource. Roll Eyes

Anyone know which payment processing company they use, so I can contact them next?

Just get a refund i don't see the issue. Sure they said it was instock but we all knew that wasn't the case and they should have converted it to fiat instantly if they were waiting on their supplier but since you are doing a refund from BA just take the refund.

They accepted 0.8028BTC under false pretenses for a product they do not even have. Why should they make money off the volatility in the BTC exchange rate? I should receive back the BTC I sent.

They aren't making money. They converted your bitcoin directly to fiat and will now convert that fiat directly to bitcoin.

Furthermore - minersource doesn't differentiate between "In Stock" and "Pre Order" in their store. Pre order items that are available for purchase say "In stock".
Since they said "item ships for free with your current order" a reasonable person would assume these would get shipped when the miners get shipped. The x1 psus for instance are probably on their way with the miners.

Seriously - calm down. You're falling out of your dress.

I'm defending minersource because I think they're doing the best they can reasonably do and have gotten something of the shaft from BA just like the rest of us.

I've ordered like 90% of the hardware I'm currently using from them and they're alright.

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better everyday ♥

Now, what would be even more ironic is if Butterfly Lab's Monarch somehow makes a cameo appearance in someone's home before the X-3.

Nah, that's some fairy tale shit. Tongue

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Quote from: DebitMe on June 20, 2014, 04:08:39 PM

Quote from: ChuckBuck on June 20, 2014, 03:54:22 PM

Wow if it was 2013, I would've guessed BA's X-3 beat out KNC's Neptune to the market if I was a betting man.

So wrong about that:

http://s3.postimg.org/i6mrr7d0z/Nept.gif

Pathetic....

But...But...There's no LCD, how will one ever configure it or know what they are running at? BA "produces" luxury machines that the average bitcoiner just wouldn't understand. Psh, it doesn't even come with a custom PSU, no wonder it got to market so quick.

Lol

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Quote from: DebitMe on June 20, 2014, 04:08:39 PM

But...But...There's no LCD, how will one ever configure it or know what they are running at? BA "produces" luxury machines that the average bitcoiner just wouldn't understand. Psh, it doesn't even come with a custom PSU, no wonder it got to market so quick.

Actually, the neptune comes with an LCD. =P

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where's my lcd?

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Shipping today?

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