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Topic: Black Arrow 28nm 100Ghash Bitcoin ASIC from $0.49/GH/s - page 215. (Read 787257 times)

newbie
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Customers who have not purchased an even numbers of X1s, will also receive a free X1 miner on their next purchase of a X1 miner.

Ordered only 1 X1 batch 1, so let me clear my view:

Ordered X1 because was the best compromise between low cost, low power & high efficienty.

BA is in late (for me risk to have a worst delay than BFL Shocked) with his promeses and we don't know exactly power draws and effecienty at the wall. Cause of this you ask us to spend more money to have a compensation.
I know BA is now in a really hard phase, but when I read new compensation plan it was ISTANTANLEY CLEAR to me that those condition are really bad in my situation:

- have to spend more money (new order (which price Huh first even batchers spend 290$ instead actual 373$ ?? ), maybe addictional power supply & shipping, AND NEW assurance for bank transfer to be sure you got my exactly money.
- maybe there was a why that i purchase only one X1 and BA is forceing this decision ( not to mention that power draw and efficienty at the time was well lower than actual not yet confirmed )
- i don't wanna handle to resell your surplus hardware

What I expect BA do:
A compensation plan without spend more money, or BTC equivalent refound.

What I'll do if that condition is not matched:
not follow your actual compensation plan & not support anymore BA. I ordered the X1 with money I well know I could loose, so plans that force to spend more money for me is just ridicolous in the reality that after so many time we don't know when & what we get
sr. member
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All I want is a confirmed date on batch2 x1's please is that so damn hard to do.
sr. member
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50% compensation in hardware isn't bad, only downside is you actually have to spend more money (shipping+power supply) to receive the compensation. Still I think it's better then the previous compensation.

Now, what will I receive first:

  • My money back in dollars?
  • My money back in btc?
  • My prospero X1's?
newbie
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  If any additional cash outlay is required for "compensation," it is not compensation at all.  It is a suggestive sale.
It is the same as the very common suggestive sale "buy 2, get 1 free."  Proper compensation is when additional
hardware/hosting/etc. is provided gratis with no extra costs involved with respect to the customer.
newbie
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So there is no mention of a ship date for X1 and now BA wants customers to send more money to cover shipping on the 50% compensation?!?  That shipping cost should be covered by BA, very bad form to make people pay even more to be compensated for your delays.
hero member
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I understand the compensation, but how is this price matching at shipping time supposed to work for those who already paid?  Do we get some kind of refund?  Does that money apply towards what we're paying for the PSU and shipping of our bonus unit?  Is it just nothing?  How does that fit into the picture?
sr. member
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BlackArrow, serious question.... I purchased only ONE X1, I have no desire to purchase another so where does that leave me in the scheme of things with the compensation plan? Do those who only purchased one unit receive a bit of a refund? Are we out of luck until we order more? It seems only those who spent more money are being rewarded however we all equally funded this endeavor. At the same time, this compensation plan is definitely a step in the right direction, I think if this was announced the first time around there would have been a lot less worry/cancellations of orders. Please keep me advised

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How will those of us with a single x1 be compensated? Not even the original 25% hosting?

I would be satisfied with 40% hosted hashrate but that's just me.

I'm really not looking to spend more money especially before you guys are shipping in stock hardware.

But if we do decide to place another order for an x1 in a month or two from minersource will we automatically be sent the free x1?

And will the free x1 be in addition to the "25% discount on all future orders "?

I believe all single x1 orders will get 2, but I will be checking.

I am also working on a separate compensation plan for my customers on top of anything BA is offering. Also, any questions about the current compensation, please give us till Tuesday so I can check everything.
It does say you will get a free x1 when you next order a x1 or even a x3 if you ordered a single unit.
legendary
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BlackArrow, serious question.... I purchased only ONE X1, I have no desire to purchase another so where does that leave me in the scheme of things with the compensation plan? Do those who only purchased one unit receive a bit of a refund? Are we out of luck until we order more? It seems only those who spent more money are being rewarded however we all equally funded this endeavor. At the same time, this compensation plan is definitely a step in the right direction, I think if this was announced the first time around there would have been a lot less worry/cancellations of orders. Please keep me advised

+1

How will those of us with a single x1 be compensated? Not even the original 25% hosting?

I would be satisfied with 40% hosted hashrate but that's just me.

I'm really not looking to spend more money especially before you guys are shipping in stock hardware.

But if we do decide to place another order for an x1 in a month or two from minersource will we automatically be sent the free x1?

And will the free x1 be in addition to the "25% discount on all future orders "?

I believe all single x1 orders will get 2, but I will be checking.

I am also working on a separate compensation plan for my customers on top of anything BA is offering. Also, any questions about the current compensation, please give us till Tuesday so I can check everything.

Thanks Matt, I do have to say on your end you've been MORE than reasonable. It's been hard for you too because you're essentially the meat in the sandwich getting screwed from both ends. I look forward to confirmation for those of us who purchased a single X1. I won't really complain about buying an additional PSU if this is the case.
hero member
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Owner, Minersource.net
Thank you very much Matt for taking care of your customers. I just wish you would import my order into your new site.

We are down to the last few, that have to be moved manually. ~90% done.
hero member
Activity: 546
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Owner, Minersource.net
BlackArrow, serious question.... I purchased only ONE X1, I have no desire to purchase another so where does that leave me in the scheme of things with the compensation plan? Do those who only purchased one unit receive a bit of a refund? Are we out of luck until we order more? It seems only those who spent more money are being rewarded however we all equally funded this endeavor. At the same time, this compensation plan is definitely a step in the right direction, I think if this was announced the first time around there would have been a lot less worry/cancellations of orders. Please keep me advised

+1

How will those of us with a single x1 be compensated? Not even the original 25% hosting?

I would be satisfied with 40% hosted hashrate but that's just me.

I'm really not looking to spend more money especially before you guys are shipping in stock hardware.

But if we do decide to place another order for an x1 in a month or two from minersource will we automatically be sent the free x1?

And will the free x1 be in addition to the "25% discount on all future orders "?

I believe all single x1 orders will get 2, but I will be checking.

I am also working on a separate compensation plan for my customers on top of anything BA is offering. Also, any questions about the current compensation, please give us till Tuesday so I can check everything.
legendary
Activity: 1235
Merit: 1202
Hosting has it's benefits and drawbacks.

Because its impossible to ship half a prospero I assume it would be more viable for them to just give us the equivalent hosting.

Although we wont get to resell our compensation, we also wouldn't have to pay for electricity which would be nice considering currently 10% of our earnings would be spent on electricity.

Agreed, hence why I'd prefer a discount on my already purchased miner, giving me a better chance of ROI, not costing anyone extra shipping/customs/etc and seeing it as a bit of a thank you. I'd probably be more inclined to purchase again too, although never a pre-order. The fact that I have to spend money to be compensated leaves a bit of a bad taste in my mouth TBH
hero member
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Hosting has it's benefits and drawbacks.

Because its impossible to ship half a prospero I assume it would be more viable for them to just give us the equivalent hosting.

Although we wont get to resell our compensation, we also wouldn't have to pay for electricity which would be nice considering currently 10% of our earnings would be spent on electricity.
legendary
Activity: 1235
Merit: 1202
BlackArrow, serious question.... I purchased only ONE X1, I have no desire to purchase another so where does that leave me in the scheme of things with the compensation plan? Do those who only purchased one unit receive a bit of a refund? Are we out of luck until we order more? It seems only those who spent more money are being rewarded however we all equally funded this endeavor. At the same time, this compensation plan is definitely a step in the right direction, I think if this was announced the first time around there would have been a lot less worry/cancellations of orders. Please keep me advised

+1

How will those of us with a single x1 be compensated? Not even the original 25% hosting?

I would be satisfied with 40% hosted hashrate but that's just me.

I'm really not looking to spend more money especially before you guys are shipping in stock hardware.

But if we do decide to place another order for an x1 in a month or two from minersource will we automatically be sent the free x1?

And will the free x1 be in addition to the "25% discount on all future orders "?

To be honest I never really gave two shits about the hosted mining (40% is great and all, then you're left with your dick in your hands after 6 months) and would rather physical hardware or a discount on what I have already purchased. My missus has already (she mentioned it to me before I asked) said to just purchase an extra X1 to get the "free" X1 but I personally believe this as a bit of a slap in the face. I'm already out of pocket then I need to reach further down into my pockets to get together more cash in order to be compensated? Sorry BA, I want to work with you and I understand you too have a business to run but this is unacceptable. I hope that it will be explained/clarified further by you to remove this confusion.

Thanks Smiley
hero member
Activity: 770
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BlackArrow, serious question.... I purchased only ONE X1, I have no desire to purchase another so where does that leave me in the scheme of things with the compensation plan? Do those who only purchased one unit receive a bit of a refund? Are we out of luck until we order more? It seems only those who spent more money are being rewarded however we all equally funded this endeavor. At the same time, this compensation plan is definitely a step in the right direction, I think if this was announced the first time around there would have been a lot less worry/cancellations of orders. Please keep me advised

+1

How will those of us with a single x1 be compensated? Not even the original 25% hosting?

I would be satisfied with 40% hosted hashrate but that's just me.

I'm really not looking to spend more money especially before you guys are shipping in stock hardware.

But if we do decide to place another order for an x1 in a month or two from minersource will we automatically be sent the free x1?

And will the free x1 be in addition to the "25% discount on all future orders "?
hero member
Activity: 770
Merit: 509
I was gonna try to get funds together to buy an S2..


seriously? out of the frying pan and into the fire, mate, do some more research first, please.

I had read they had a rough start, but they are a company with an actual track record. I have had zero issues with my s1's. At the time it would have been a preorder for them. Not quite sure what was that bad about them when they were first announced?

There is nothing wrong with bitmain. They have provided more hashrate than any other manufacturer.
hero member
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I was gonna try to get funds together to buy an S2..


seriously? out of the frying pan and into the fire, mate, do some more research first, please.

I had read they had a rough start, but they are a company with an actual track record. I have had zero issues with my s1's. At the time it would have been a preorder for them. Not quite sure what was that bad about them when they were first announced?
legendary
Activity: 1235
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BlackArrow, serious question.... I purchased only ONE X1, I have no desire to purchase another so where does that leave me in the scheme of things with the compensation plan? Do those who only purchased one unit receive a bit of a refund? Are we out of luck until we order more? It seems only those who spent more money are being rewarded however we all equally funded this endeavor. At the same time, this compensation plan is definitely a step in the right direction, I think if this was announced the first time around there would have been a lot less worry/cancellations of orders. Please keep me advised
RHA
sr. member
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Blackarrow, you will have to correct the invoices carefully. Don't use "zero USD" price for the third module - it causes great problems at the custom office (it was experienced with Bitmine.ch orders with 50% compensation). The value of the order must be proportionally divided and allocated to each module.
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"As our shipping is few days away"

How is mid-May to early June a few days away?

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"Every X3 purchased will now contain 3 * 1Thash modules"

"The extra hardware will not include power supply or shipping but they will be available to purchase from our store."

So every customer now has to wire more money or their order won't be shipped?

I know a Nigerian prince who's making a better offer!

I hope immigration shipps your ass back to Romania.

Like coal miners at the company store...
legendary
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IF/When you guys finally get these, wonder how much dust will be on them?

Sure BA isn't the same group as BFL?

Keep promising to keep you silent, but if you bitch at all, no compensation? LMAO
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