Which ASIC maker isn't asking for money up front? 
No money no matter.
No money no matter. Bitmain.
And were people parading up and down the streets with pitchfork in hand prior to release of U and S 1's?
Topic: Black Arrow 28nm 100Ghash Bitcoin ASIC from $0.49/GH/s - page 240. (Read 787053 times)
Bitmain.
And were people parading up and down the streets with pitchfork in hand prior to release of U and S 1's?
When we place a pre-order agree with the conditions and BA say very clear from the day one "whe use the money of your order to produce the miners so... no refunds" and "delays can happens" (more or less). You can ask nicely for a refund but is not your right.
That is not how it works. They have to communicate any delays, operate on a definite timeline, and if the delays are excessive (which usually is taken as two weeks by most US courts), they have to offer a refund. TOS only supersedes law if it's MORE restrictive on the vendor.
This is not new information. I'm not a lawyer, so I've no clue how they might be able to wiggle, but the basic principle is solid, and I'm not guessing.
I see... In that case BA can choose the form and the time of the refund? For example in a gift card or something like that?
When we place a pre-order agree with the conditions and BA say very clear from the day one "whe use the money of your order to produce the miners so... no refunds" and "delays can happens" (more or less). You can ask nicely for a refund but is not your right.
That is not how it works. They have to communicate any delays, operate on a definite timeline, and if the delays are excessive (which usually is taken as two weeks by most US courts), they have to offer a refund. TOS only supersedes law if it's MORE restrictive on the vendor.
This is not new information. I'm not a lawyer, so I've no clue how they might be able to wiggle, but the basic principle is solid, and I'm not guessing.
@Phinnaeus Gage
Thread is tl;dr, but minersource address via "contact us" on website is a UPS store. Definitely pre-ordering from their page /s
I noticed the same thing. When I was considering a purchase, but I decided not to after finding that. Thread is tl;dr, but minersource address via "contact us" on website is a UPS store. Definitely pre-ordering from their page /s
Yup thats our mail forwarding box.
how the hell did you get a avatar in your profile... ?
Date Registered: June 18, 2013, 06:55:14 AM
Lack of posts doesn't ACTUALLY a newbie make.
Lucky you! I ain't been stoned in so long I don't know what it feels like anymore
Banter aside, I hate how newbies get jumped here. Granted, some have it coming, but the "old boys club" mentality just ain't gonna get it. Bitcoin is going mainstream. It ain't there yet, but it's getting there. A year ago, a few people were aware of it. Now it's front page news even in Boise, Idaho, where the newspaper has made a century long career out of being behind the times.
We desperately need new people, and jumping somebody just for being new is stupid. In nature, Stupidity is a capital crime. Judgment is immediate, utterly impartial, and there is no appeal. In modern society we have made a religion out of protecting the stupid. Since stupid is ALWAYS a choice, that religion is not only false, it's fatal.
Which ASIC maker isn't asking for money up front? No money no matter.
No money no matter. Bitmain.
When we place a pre-order agree with the conditions and BA say very clear from the day one "whe use the money of your order to produce the miners so... no refunds" and "delays can happens" (more or less). You can ask nicely for a refund but is not your right.
Black Arrow has been taking Pre Orders for like 6 months !! They have easily made millions in Pre orders by now and they don't really have shit to show for it but more CGI pictures and more Pre order deals that make them look like its such a great deal for the price per Gh/s that you get. How many Pre order batches do you need to sale befor you even deliver on the first one !! LoL
Well, I cancelled and got a full refund (minus 20 dollars) from Minersource, was pretty quick and painless.
Lucky for you..........
I've been dealing with Matt @ Minersource for 2.5 weeks...
Now that my order has been canceled. Still no refund yet.
At one point, I got an email that wire is on my way (which I never received).
It was $49 off what I paid for my order.
This is exactly what I'm concerned about, cancelling but ending up with both no order spot and no money back.
bobsag3 / Matt
Please refund my money!
I just sent you another email!
@Phinnaeus Gage
Thread is tl;dr, but minersource address via "contact us" on website is a UPS store. Definitely pre-ordering from their page /s
I noticed the same thing. When I was considering a purchase, but I decided not to after finding that. Thread is tl;dr, but minersource address via "contact us" on website is a UPS store. Definitely pre-ordering from their page /s
Yup thats our mail forwarding box.
how the hell did you get a avatar in your profile... ?
Date Registered: June 18, 2013, 06:55:14 AM
Lack of posts doesn't ACTUALLY a newbie make.
Which ASIC maker isn't asking for money up front? No money no matter.
No money no matter. 
Well this now looks even worse, even BFL is offering pretty good compensation plans for their tardiness. An extra 250% of hashing power for batch 1 customers! Puts BA to shame. You know your behind the times when you out BFL, BFL.
Yea bfl is totally putting BA to shame..
A $5000 monarch has gone from 600gh -> 1000gh
Where as a $4000 prospero has gone from 2000gh -> 2900gh
Jimmothy, I have not bothered you or your comments on BA this entire time. I have seen your input as valid and have even taken to heart some of the things that you have said. And yet you come out attacking everyone no matter what.
A prospero is ~$6,000 first of all, BA is giving their "compensation" package to everyone, not just those who paid at the very first price. Also the $5000 monarch is going from 600 GH to 1.6 TH, please understand the full package before trying to refute.
Hopefully the 2.9 TH/s will be able to be run at a home, given the high power consumption running at that level, it will be a stretch to fit one of the X-3 boxes on a circuit.
BFL is actually giving the hardware to their customers whereas I get cloud mining that I cannot even resell when it becomes (if not already shipped as) worthless.
BFL is delaying 5 weeks, BA is delaying 8 weeks. (I understand this may change based on companies pasts, but for now that's what we have to go on, all biases aside). I am sure I do not have to tell you how precious 3 weeks can be in the mining world, unless you are BA and do not care about your customers interests in making a profit because all you do is manufacture mining equipment.
I thought BA compensation was only for batch 1 orders.
Bfl is not delaying 5 weeks. They promised delivery of every month since november. They will not ship in 5 weeks or even 2 months.
Anyways the 250% compensation is only for the earliest orders for a monarch and comparing it to the earliest orders of a prospero it is still lacking.
My point is that because they ripped off their customers so much, they can afford to give a better compensation.
I too wish we could get double the hashrate for compensation but that would mean we would be getting hardware for around $1/gh and BA couldn't afford it. Asicminer gen3 chips alone will be $1/gh
So is there any real life pictures of any chips or pcb boards or anything yet !!! Or just fake ass cgi pictures that posted on there website !! LoL what a joke !! Please correct me if im wrong would love to see some pictures ...
Well, I cancelled and got a full refund (minus 20 dollars) from Minersource, was pretty quick and painless.
Lucky for you..........
I've been dealing with Matt @ Minersource for 2.5 weeks...
Now that my order has been canceled. Still no refund yet.
At one point, I got an email that wire is on my way (which I never received).
It was $49 off what I paid for my order.
Well this now looks even worse, even BFL is offering pretty good compensation plans for their tardiness. An extra 250% of hashing power for batch 1 customers! Puts BA to shame. You know your behind the times when you out BFL, BFL.
Yea bfl is totally putting BA to shame..
A $5000 monarch has gone from 600gh -> 1000gh
Where as a $4000 prospero has gone from 2000gh -> 2900gh
Well, I cancelled and got a full refund (minus 20 dollars) from Minersource, was pretty quick and painless.
I still have not gotten a refund from Minersource and I asked for it quite some time ago. So how is it you get a refund yet I don't?
Seriously, 0.344 BTC should be an easy thing to refund me yet they refuse to do it.
Well, I cancelled and got a full refund (minus 20 dollars) from Minersource, was pretty quick and painless.
Hello, so can anybody exactly tell me, when blackarrow will be shipped? My miner had to be shipped on March 20th, but as I know it was delayed. So when I for it to get shipped?
Read through this thread longer. Black Arrow is delayed until May. Both batch 1 and 2s shipped 1st and 2 week of May (supposedly).
Hello, so can anybody exactly tell me, when blackarrow will be shipped? My miner had to be shipped on March 20th, but as I know it was delayed. So when I for it to get shipped?
@Phinnaeus Gage
Thread is tl;dr, but minersource address via "contact us" on website is a UPS store. Definitely pre-ordering from their page /s
I noticed the same thing. When I was considering a purchase, but I decided not to after finding that. Thread is tl;dr, but minersource address via "contact us" on website is a UPS store. Definitely pre-ordering from their page /s
Yup thats our mail forwarding box.
how the hell did you get a avatar in your profile... ?
Date Registered: June 18, 2013, 06:55:14 AM
Lack of posts doesn't ACTUALLY a newbie make.
I sell my Batch 1 order (1 prospero x-3) with the compensation. Details --> http://ecointalk.net/topic/560-i-sell-my-order-n-322x-1-prospero-x-3/
Wait, what?
Compensation plan?
You mean you believed the "25% virtual hashing" that will allegedly be provided in lieu of delivery of the actual products you ordered and paid for?
This is what's been called the "75% scam" which is a more accurate description as you're losing 75% of the hashing that you anticipated.
I think it's quite clear what I sell.
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