Black Arrow 28nm 100Ghash Bitcoin ASIC from $0.49/GH/s - page 244.

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Quote from: jimmothy on March 02, 2014, 12:58:33 AM

Quote from: Teodor on March 02, 2014, 12:51:04 AM

Quote from: jedimstr on March 02, 2014, 12:46:46 AM

ASICMiner is the company that made the Block Erupter USB, Block Erupter Blades, and the Block Erupter Cubes. They are working on a 40nm chip now for their next generation miners (which I hope will finally support Stratum directly).

40nm is already on the market on AntMiners.. I thought next gen chips are 28nm ?!
BleackArrow also promise since long time ago to come with 28nm chips but all these
may come too late when the difficulty will increase too much !!

Bitmain uses 55nm. Process size is not as important as optimization. Bitmain/Bitfury 55nm are both more efficient than knc 28nm. KNC 20nm will be less efficient than Asicminer 40nm.

Hard to believe a die shrink can't help power consumption,but Bitfury did a great job.I heard they also may have another die shrink chip coming too Shocked

ASICminer cubes are 110nm aren't they Huh

Beating 1 watt per GH seems hard for the 28nm guys Cheesy

Well,if BA can't hit that then there is something VERY wrong here Cheesy

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Quote from: Teodor on March 02, 2014, 12:51:04 AM

Quote from: jedimstr on March 02, 2014, 12:46:46 AM

ASICMiner is the company that made the Block Erupter USB, Block Erupter Blades, and the Block Erupter Cubes. They are working on a 40nm chip now for their next generation miners (which I hope will finally support Stratum directly).

40nm is already on the market on AntMiners.. I thought next gen chips are 28nm ?!
BleackArrow also promise since long time ago to come with 28nm chips but all these
may come too late when the difficulty will increase too much !!

All different chips and companies. I was talking specifically about ASICMiner's 40nm next generation chips.

Antminer is made by Bitmain and as jimmothy mentioned, they use a 55nm process.

So basically it was like I was saying, "Jaguar is about to release a new hybrid sports car."
And it's like you said, "there are already hybrids on the market from Toyota." *wtf?*

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I really like the antminer. I am going to convert my farm to them over the next little while.

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Quote from: jimmothy on March 02, 2014, 12:58:33 AM

Bitmain uses 55nm. Process size is not as important as optimization. Bitmain/Bitfury 55nm are both more efficient than knc 28nm. KNC 20nm will be less efficient than Asicminer 40nm.

You're right, thank you.

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Quote from: Teodor on March 02, 2014, 12:51:04 AM

Quote from: jedimstr on March 02, 2014, 12:46:46 AM

ASICMiner is the company that made the Block Erupter USB, Block Erupter Blades, and the Block Erupter Cubes. They are working on a 40nm chip now for their next generation miners (which I hope will finally support Stratum directly).

40nm is already on the market on AntMiners.. I thought next gen chips are 28nm ?!
BleackArrow also promise since long time ago to come with 28nm chips but all these
may come too late when the difficulty will increase too much !!

Bitmain uses 55nm. Process size is not as important as optimization. Bitmain/Bitfury 55nm are both more efficient than knc 28nm. KNC 20nm will be less efficient than Asicminer 40nm.

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Quote from: jedimstr on March 02, 2014, 12:46:46 AM

ASICMiner is the company that made the Block Erupter USB, Block Erupter Blades, and the Block Erupter Cubes. They are working on a 40nm chip now for their next generation miners (which I hope will finally support Stratum directly).

40nm is already on the market on AntMiners.. I thought next gen chips are 28nm ?!
BleackArrow also promise since long time ago to come with 28nm chips but all these
may come too late when the difficulty will increase too much !!

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Quote from: Teodor on March 02, 2014, 12:23:58 AM

Quote from: jimmothy on March 01, 2014, 11:48:40 PM

Quote from: Unacceptable on March 01, 2014, 11:40:34 PM

ASICminer has 40nm coming,but we have no idea of hashrate & cost per miner....as of yet.I'm watching though Wink

They look to be about .65-.80 watts per GH,MAYBE.so if they come up with a 250GH miner using 200 watts,it'll be a great thing!!! Watch for em!!!!!!!!!!!! Wink

Asicminer chips will be 0.2-0.35w/gh and $1-0.5/gh
About twice the efficiency and half the price of anyone else.

Sorry, I know about AntMiner, Avalon gen, but what is ASICMiner? Is the one sold by BlackArrow? Or who is manufacturing it? Thanks.

ASICMiner is the company that made the Block Erupter USB, Block Erupter Blades, and the Block Erupter Cubes. They are working on a 40nm chip now for their next generation miners (which I hope will finally support Stratum directly).

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Quote from: Teodor on March 02, 2014, 12:23:58 AM

Quote from: jimmothy on March 01, 2014, 11:48:40 PM

Quote from: Unacceptable on March 01, 2014, 11:40:34 PM

ASICminer has 40nm coming,but we have no idea of hashrate & cost per miner....as of yet.I'm watching though Wink

They look to be about .65-.80 watts per GH,MAYBE.so if they come up with a 250GH miner using 200 watts,it'll be a great thing!!! Watch for em!!!!!!!!!!!! Wink

Asicminer chips will be 0.2-0.35w/gh and $1-0.5/gh
About twice the efficiency and half the price of anyone else.

Sorry, I know about AntMiner, Avalon gen, but what is ASICMiner? Is the one sold by BlackArrow? Or who is manufacturing it? Thanks.

Those are just for the ASIC chips jimmothy ............now add all the electronic components & you'll get about what I stated,I could be wrong because they haven't released any final info on anything Roll Eyes

Watch this thread for info,its about the shares,but info about chips does trickle in there:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.17940

Here's the main thread :

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/annasicminer-publicly-looking-for-potential-customerspartners-for-new-chips-438359

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Quote from: Teodor on March 02, 2014, 12:23:58 AM

Quote from: jimmothy on March 01, 2014, 11:48:40 PM

Quote from: Unacceptable on March 01, 2014, 11:40:34 PM

ASICminer has 40nm coming,but we have no idea of hashrate & cost per miner....as of yet.I'm watching though Wink

They look to be about .65-.80 watts per GH,MAYBE.so if they come up with a 250GH miner using 200 watts,it'll be a great thing!!! Watch for em!!!!!!!!!!!! Wink

Asicminer chips will be 0.2-0.35w/gh and $1-0.5/gh
About twice the efficiency and half the price of anyone else.

Sorry, I know about AntMiner, Avalon gen, but what is ASICMiner? Is the one sold by BlackArrow? Or who is manufacturing it? Thanks.

Separate company.

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Quote from: jimmothy on March 01, 2014, 11:48:40 PM

Quote from: Unacceptable on March 01, 2014, 11:40:34 PM

ASICminer has 40nm coming,but we have no idea of hashrate & cost per miner....as of yet.I'm watching though Wink

They look to be about .65-.80 watts per GH,MAYBE.so if they come up with a 250GH miner using 200 watts,it'll be a great thing!!! Watch for em!!!!!!!!!!!! Wink

Asicminer chips will be 0.2-0.35w/gh and $1-0.5/gh
About twice the efficiency and half the price of anyone else.

Sorry, I know about AntMiner, Avalon gen, but what is ASICMiner? Is the one sold by BlackArrow? Or who is manufacturing it? Thanks.

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Quote from: Unacceptable on March 01, 2014, 11:40:34 PM

ASICminer has 40nm coming,but we have no idea of hashrate & cost per miner....as of yet.I'm watching though Wink

They look to be about .65-.80 watts per GH,MAYBE.so if they come up with a 250GH miner using 200 watts,it'll be a great thing!!! Watch for em!!!!!!!!!!!! Wink

Asicminer chips will be 0.2-0.35w/gh and $1-0.5/gh

About twice the efficiency and half the price of anyone else.

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Quote from: Zman8881 on March 01, 2014, 11:40:20 PM

Just did some calculations and if the difficulty rises to what it's expected to be at (19,637,607,557) in May 2014, the X1 won't be profitable at all. Will probably go with the AntMiner S1

AntMiner are smart, they adjust their sell price as the diff goes up.

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Quote from: Zman8881 on March 01, 2014, 11:29:58 PM

Quote from: TinkerTom on March 01, 2014, 05:47:27 PM

Quote from: Zman8881 on March 01, 2014, 03:13:06 PM

Hi, I'm new to bitcoin mining. I am starting with a small budget and thinking about beginning with an X1 from minersource.net. I am wondering if BlackArrow and minersource (authorized reseller) are legitimate.

You're probably better off buying an AntMiner S1 and getting delivery right away. Minersource carries those and posted a pic a few days ago of pallets full of them. The X-1 delivery won't happen until May -- if you decide to go that route I wouldn't prepay at this point -- wait and make your decision then depending on difficulty, etc.

To your point, I think other than one prolific poster here, people tend to feel bobsag3 is legit. He's been in business quite a while and does hosting and sales. The guy disparaging him here hasn't turned up any disgruntled customers, just a steady stream of minutia.

Thanks. The problem with an AntMiner is that it's $900. I'm on around a $200-$400 budget. Any other good miners or should I wait and see about the X1?

It takes money/BTC to make money/BTC,you gotta start somewhere & Ants are about as cheap as your gonna get & GET EM NOW!!!!!!!!!!! Grin

ALL ASIC makers are going to large hashrate,massive power consumption miners that can only be used in a datacenter.They are sick & tired of us little fokkers & dealing with "chump change"........ Roll Eyes

ASICminer has 40nm coming,but we have no idea of hashrate & cost per miner....as of yet.I'm watching though Wink

They look to be about .65-.80 watts per GH,MAYBE.so if they come up with a 250GH miner using 200 watts,it'll be a great thing!!! Watch for em!!!!!!!!!!!! Wink

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Just did some calculations and if the difficulty rises to what it's expected to be at (19,637,607,557) in May 2014, the X1 won't be profitable at all. Will probably go with the AntMiner S1

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Quote from: Zman8881 on March 01, 2014, 11:29:58 PM

Quote from: TinkerTom on March 01, 2014, 05:47:27 PM

Quote from: Zman8881 on March 01, 2014, 03:13:06 PM

Hi, I'm new to bitcoin mining. I am starting with a small budget and thinking about beginning with an X1 from minersource.net. I am wondering if BlackArrow and minersource (authorized reseller) are legitimate.

You're probably better off buying an AntMiner S1 and getting delivery right away. Minersource carries those and posted a pic a few days ago of pallets full of them. The X-1 delivery won't happen until May -- if you decide to go that route I wouldn't prepay at this point -- wait and make your decision then depending on difficulty, etc.

To your point, I think other than one prolific poster here, people tend to feel bobsag3 is legit. He's been in business quite a while and does hosting and sales. The guy disparaging him here hasn't turned up any disgruntled customers, just a steady stream of minutia.

Thanks. The problem with an AntMiner is that it's $900. I'm on around a $200-$400 budget. Any other good miners or should I wait and see about the X1?

Wait for asicminer gen3 devices or wait until blackarrow is shipping prosperos.

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Quote from: TinkerTom on March 01, 2014, 05:47:27 PM

Quote from: Zman8881 on March 01, 2014, 03:13:06 PM

Hi, I'm new to bitcoin mining. I am starting with a small budget and thinking about beginning with an X1 from minersource.net. I am wondering if BlackArrow and minersource (authorized reseller) are legitimate.

You're probably better off buying an AntMiner S1 and getting delivery right away. Minersource carries those and posted a pic a few days ago of pallets full of them. The X-1 delivery won't happen until May -- if you decide to go that route I wouldn't prepay at this point -- wait and make your decision then depending on difficulty, etc.

To your point, I think other than one prolific poster here, people tend to feel bobsag3 is legit. He's been in business quite a while and does hosting and sales. The guy disparaging him here hasn't turned up any disgruntled customers, just a steady stream of minutia.

Thanks. The problem with an AntMiner is that it's $900. I'm on around a $200-$400 budget. Any other good miners or should I wait and see about the X1?

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Quote from: TinkerTom on March 01, 2014, 05:47:27 PM

Quote from: Zman8881 on March 01, 2014, 03:13:06 PM

Hi, I'm new to bitcoin mining. I am starting with a small budget and thinking about beginning with an X1 from minersource.net. I am wondering if BlackArrow and minersource (authorized reseller) are legitimate.

You're probably better off buying an AntMiner S1 and getting delivery right away. Minersource carries those and posted a pic a few days ago of pallets full of them. The X-1 delivery won't happen until May -- if you decide to go that route I wouldn't prepay at this point -- wait and make your decision then depending on difficulty, etc.

To your point, I think other than one prolific poster here, people tend to feel bobsag3 is legit. He's been in business quite a while and does hosting and sales. The guy disparaging him here hasn't turned up any disgruntled customers, just a steady stream of minutia.

Good advice!! Antminers are awesome & should have a decent resale value for few more months,so you can sell em & upgrade to newer miners later Cool

At least for me....bobsag3 did well with communications about my BA orders & refunded me with no qualms at all.I have not bought anything from him,but I have dealt with him on my Drillbit stuff & he did very well there Wink

I'm waiting to see if BA can actually hold to their "new" timeframe before "pre-ordering" any thing AGAIN from them Wink

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Quote from: Zman8881 on March 01, 2014, 03:13:06 PM

Hi, I'm new to bitcoin mining. I am starting with a small budget and thinking about beginning with an X1 from minersource.net. I am wondering if BlackArrow and minersource (authorized reseller) are legitimate.

You're probably better off buying an AntMiner S1 and getting delivery right away. Minersource carries those and posted a pic a few days ago of pallets full of them. The X-1 delivery won't happen until May -- if you decide to go that route I wouldn't prepay at this point -- wait and make your decision then depending on difficulty, etc.

To your point, I think other than one prolific poster here, people tend to feel bobsag3 is legit. He's been in business quite a while and does hosting and sales. The guy disparaging him here hasn't turned up any disgruntled customers, just a steady stream of minutia.

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Hi, I'm new to bitcoin mining. I am starting with a small budget and thinking about beginning with an X1 from minersource.net. I am wondering if BlackArrow and minersource (authorized reseller) are legitimate.

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better everyday ♥

Quote from: Phinnaeus Gage on March 01, 2014, 05:29:55 AM

Hope all is cool over here in this thread. AMT's been digging me a new asshole for the past couple days.

Yes, PG. BA and Bobsag3/Minersource have actually thrown us some bones to pick apart for a couple days.

Better than the period of silence before the delay news.

Thanks for always checking in and keeping these guys on their toes. Wink

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