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Topic: Black Arrow 28nm 100Ghash Bitcoin ASIC from $0.49/GH/s - page 271. (Read 787053 times)

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Thank you Bobsag3 for your travel to GB and all those fresh informations.

What bout people who ordered at the end of November and paid +1050 USD at the beginning of december, 5.990 USD... Bach 1 full price... Sad

That will remain the price being for now as far as I know.
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Hey, Matt. Does BA give BA re-sellers a discount and an extra 25% frequent flyer miles?  Grin

We get a discount on the equipment yes (lol duh), but all the airfare is 100% out of my pocket. I paid to see them in person because I wanted answers. Harder to dodge when you show up to their office Tongue


But in all fairness, it was a fairly pleasant set of meetings, lots of things that need to be fixed are hopefully going to start, especially communication. The biggest thing I got off the meeting was they are in this for the long run, not just the minion.

EDIT: I WISH I GOT EXTRA MILES.
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Thank you Bobsag3 for your travel to GB and all those fresh informations.

What bout people who ordered at the end of November and paid +1050 USD at the beginning of december, 5.990 USD... Bach 1 full price... Sad
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So there has been no revision to the 25% for 4 months offer?

Not at this time. Our meetings were more preliminary than anything, we will have more in the next few days.

And what about refunds Huh

No official statement from me about this Sad
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So we'd receive them in the middle of May essentially?

No, with this delay at least minersource will be hiring additional people, we expect to get both batch 1 and 2 out the door within 2 weeks.

Also:

For further compensation from minersource, all 2nd day air packages will be upgraded to next day saver, all next day customers will get their shipping refunded. We may also be including a special gift Smiley

Within 2 weeks from today (2/6/2014)?

No, hopefully 2 weeks from May 1.
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better everyday ♥
Think it's Batch 1 and 2 shipped first 2 weeks of May.
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So we'd receive them in the middle of May essentially?

No, with this delay at least minersource will be hiring additional people, we expect to get both batch 1 and 2 out the door within 2 weeks.

Also:

For further compensation from minersource, all 2nd day air packages will be upgraded to next day saver, all next day customers will get their shipping refunded. We may also be including a special gift Smiley

Within 2 weeks from today (2/6/2014)?
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So there has been no revision to the 25% for 4 months offer?

Not at this time. Our meetings were more preliminary than anything, we will have more in the next few days.

And what about refunds Huh
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So we'd receive them in the middle of May essentially?

No, with this delay at least minersource will be hiring additional people, we expect to get both batch 1 and 2 out the door within 2 weeks.

Also:

For further compensation from minersource, all 2nd day air packages will be upgraded to next day saver, all next day customers will get their shipping refunded. We may also be including a special gift Smiley

How exactly is this going to work, I haven't heard of BAS official confirmation that the assembly of the goods would be done and shipped within 2 weeks.
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So there has been no revision to the 25% for 4 months offer?

Not at this time. Our meetings were more preliminary than anything, we will have more in the next few days.
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I appreciate it.

I have arrived back in denver, I will get some quick things out quick, then going to pass out.


Communication:
BA and the re sellers are putting together a new system of communication, to aid in the internal communication, and the communication with our customers and the community. We are looking at a bevy of options, including some sort of newsletter, to official twitter. Please let us know if you have any suggestions.

Customer Service:
I have completed highering of additional guys here at minersource, and they are working through training now. Expect better response times, and phone hours in the future. BA has also hired many additional staff and should see an improvement as well.

Tape out/Verisilicon/Chips
Besides what is covered under NDA (I know I know... but a NDA is a NDA), I can assure you I have seen the full contracts with BA and Verisilicon, and that BA has paid them in full. The other re sellers can confirm this. Based on all the info I have, the May 1 day is quite firm. No guarantees as you guys know by now, but thats the best I can do.

Status of other Parts:
The PCBs pretty much designed (waiting for those final pin specs as said before), the heatsinks are done, the custom 1400w psus are done, the controller and its software are in their final phases. I will get additional info and pictures on this as soon as I can.

We will also have a much greater presence at trade shows, we will publish a list as soon as we sign up for them. We will at least be at Quakecon 2014.


EDIT2:
I have some pics from the trip... nothing really important or relevant, but id be happy to post them if anyone wants.

Just quoting this cuz I missed it and I'm sure others may have as well.

Also stops me from editing it. Ill stand by these words to the best of my abilities.
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So we'd receive them in the middle of May essentially?

No, with this delay at least minersource will be hiring additional people, we expect to get both batch 1 and 2 out the door within 2 weeks.

Also:

For further compensation from minersource, all 2nd day air packages will be upgraded to next day saver, all next day customers will get their shipping refunded. We may also be including a special gift Smiley
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Weren't we told that they didn't have the capacity to ship all of batch 1 at once? That's why they had a batch 1 round 1 and round 2. Now, all of a sudden, they can ship all of batch 1 together, PLUS all of batch 2?
I'd like an explanation for that one..

They have the production capacity to make both batches in 1 week, but shipping for them and us will take at least 2 weeks per batch.
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Nobody in their right mind cares about BA "succeeding" or whatever that even means.

Customers only care about receiving delivery within a reasonable amount of time to make some kind of return. Either BA performs at that level or they don't. If they don't, then they won't have customers again.

Prospero had two things going for it to make anybody choose BA over competitors for pre-order:

1. Early expected delivery date
2. Reasonable USD price

Now that #1 is completely out the window, in order for this project to be a "success", customers have to feel that it worth it to have ordered in the first place. That's going to require more than 25% purchased hash power hosted for 4 months starting two months later best case scenario.

If this project turns out to not have been remotely worth it for batch 1 customers, then customers have to conclude that BA most likely threw a bogus date out there just to collect orders. It looks incredibly suspicious that the delay happens to exactly land on the date originally announced for batch 2, as though even the revised date is just pulled out of thin air too. All the typed-out apologies in the world are not going to save BA if they find after this project that they're not able to operate in this space anymore.
what if there never was a feb batch 1, batch one is batch 2 and batch 2 is batch one....
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It looks incredibly suspicious that the delay happens to exactly land on the date originally announced for batch 2, as though even the revised date is just pulled out of thin air too. All the typed-out apologies in the world are not going to save BA if they find after this project that they're not able to operate in this space anymore.

Not necessarily...they already had two runs in the pipe line...but the first Fab run was a wash...so now they have to double the second production run to make up for Batch1. So it makes sense for them to ship at Batch2.
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Wow, that's an unexpected change (yes I did read the whole lot). I'm not saying anyone is right or wrong or can be (dis)trusted....I can almost only conclude you must have spotted something in whatever has been driving your quest that makes you doubt your previous statements (maybe only ever so slightly). Interesting...

After reading posts and PMs by bitcoiners I admire and/or trust with their opinions, it somewhat place enough doubt in my stance pertaining to Matt Carson, that I felt it prudent to chill a bit. Overall, it still doesn't feel right, and I will continue to monitor the situation as future events unfold.

I appreciate it.

I have arrived back in denver, I will get some quick things out quick, then going to pass out.


Communication:
BA and the re sellers are putting together a new system of communication, to aid in the internal communication, and the communication with our customers and the community. We are looking at a bevy of options, including some sort of newsletter, to official twitter. Please let us know if you have any suggestions.

Customer Service:
I have completed highering of additional guys here at minersource, and they are working through training now. Expect better response times, and phone hours in the future. BA has also hired many additional staff and should see an improvement as well.

Tape out/Verisilicon/Chips
Besides what is covered under NDA (I know I know... but a NDA is a NDA), I can assure you I have seen the full contracts with BA and Verisilicon, and that BA has paid them in full. The other re sellers can confirm this. Based on all the info I have, the May 1 day is quite firm. No guarantees as you guys know by now, but thats the best I can do.

Status of other Parts:
The PCBs pretty much designed (waiting for those final pin specs as said before), the heatsinks are done, the custom 1400w psus are done, the controller and its software are in their final phases. I will get additional info and pictures on this as soon as I can.

We will also have a much greater presence at trade shows, we will publish a list as soon as we sign up for them. We will at least be at Quakecon 2014.


EDIT2:
I have some pics from the trip... nothing really important or relevant, but id be happy to post them if anyone wants.
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Can someone please update this thread with information worth posting. This is getting way out of hand.

We should have more information soon. Definitely within 24-48 hours.

we're a majority here that hope success for the project that Black Arrow LEAD lately, and concerning these trolls who make anti advertising we know why you do that and your bitcoins you put them in your asshole, fagots Cheesy
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Can someone please update this thread with information worth posting. This is getting way out of hand.

We should have more information soon. Definitely within 24-48 hours.

Thanks Matt, looking forward to a substantive update.
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We should have more information soon. Definitely within 24-48 hours.

Thx, looking forward to news!


Thanks, bud, but even the Mighty Phinn is prone to err, so always try to see every side of the story in case I mess up, not saying that this is the case here, but I am going into chill mode and will continue to monitor this thread. If I read/feel something that doesn't smell the past test, I'm post a kindly penned question, ending with a "Thanks, bud."

~Bruno Kucinskas

Wow, that's an unexpected change (yes I did read the whole lot). I'm not saying anyone is right or wrong or can be (dis)trusted....I can almost only conclude you must have spotted something in whatever has been driving your quest that makes you doubt your previous statements (maybe only ever so slightly). Interesting...

It is my understanding that from tapeout to receiving packaged chips averages about five weeks. This means that you (as in your team, not necessarily you personally) were aware on or about December 15th that you would be unable to hit the target. 

But he did say they should have notified earlier....implying directly when they found out about the delay, which, like you mention, did not happen.
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I'm sorry, biomech, how do you figure we waited till the last second to announce we're going to be late? We announced it a full month before deadline. We didn't hit the deadline and string people along with nonsense. We absolutely should have announced it sooner. We absolutely did not wait till the last second.

It is my understanding that from tapeout to receiving packaged chips averages about five weeks. This means that you (as in your team, not necessarily you personally) were aware on or about December 15th that you would be unable to hit the target.

Note that I am not an engineer, but that seems to be the consensus from the engineers I know as well as a number of sources on the web.
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