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Quote from: smooth on February 03, 2014, 06:56:47 PM

Quote from: Lloydie on February 03, 2014, 06:46:58 PM

Quote from: OleOle on February 03, 2014, 06:41:59 PM

Read on, Lloydie, you're not even at the end of the conversation. You missed the post where the mod neatly negates the person you're ostensibly supporting then your champion flounders by trying to cherry-pick parts of my comments.

Did I forget to mention you're an asshat? Cheesy

Run along now, let's hear something that resembles a paragraph of original thought when you next post. I have to say that my post about you and the dead philosophers still makes me smile, especially as it only seems to have now dawned on you that you are the about-to-be-scammed, the scammed and the scammee.

You didn't know you were more than just an asshat, did you?

Wink

I know there is a good chance I've been scammed. The sick part are wankers like you and PG doing the I told you so's, asking for 10 Btc for info, producing "satire", and you "philosophy". Thanks but seriously get a fucking life. Be witty with your meaningless bullshit somewhere else. We do not thank you. We say Fuck Off to you with a middle finger. Make that one arm over the other with a raised fist.

I find you both incredibly entertaining. Don't change a thing.

I agree.

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Quote from: Flying Hellfish on February 03, 2014, 06:03:03 PM

Everybody always leaves out Bitmain. Selling and shipping only what they have in stock, those lads deserve some credit.

IMO They deserve a lot of credit. I don't know why they're so heavily overlooked. Maybe it is likely because they didn't rah-rah a bunch of idiots into pre-orders only to leave them hanging. I'm buying as many S1's as my plans allow, and I'd hazard a guess that almost every single person who is buying into Bitmain units is far, far better off than anyone involved in any of the pre-order screw-ups.

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Quote from: Lloydie on February 03, 2014, 06:46:58 PM

Quote from: OleOle on February 03, 2014, 06:41:59 PM

Read on, Lloydie, you're not even at the end of the conversation. You missed the post where the mod neatly negates the person you're ostensibly supporting then your champion flounders by trying to cherry-pick parts of my comments.

Did I forget to mention you're an asshat? Cheesy

Run along now, let's hear something that resembles a paragraph of original thought when you next post. I have to say that my post about you and the dead philosophers still makes me smile, especially as it only seems to have now dawned on you that you are the about-to-be-scammed, the scammed and the scammee.

You didn't know you were more than just an asshat, did you?

Wink

I know there is a good chance I've been scammed. The sick part are wankers like you and PG doing the I told you so's, asking for 10 Btc for info, producing "satire", and you "philosophy". Thanks but seriously get a fucking life. Be witty with your meaningless bullshit somewhere else. We do not thank you. We say Fuck Off to you with a middle finger. Make that one arm over the other with a raised fist.

I find you both incredibly entertaining. Don't change a thing.

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Quote from: GodfatherBond on February 03, 2014, 06:36:12 PM

Quote from: terrapinflyer on February 03, 2014, 05:16:40 PM

Quote from: Unacceptable on February 03, 2014, 04:54:59 PM

So,feb-march-april-maybe in may is 2 months Huh

Looks like 3 months at least if they do deliver by may 1st Roll Eyes

The original ship date was the end of Feb not the beginning. No one ever expected to see shipping before the end of Feb, if you did you where completely oblivious. So you math is a bit off, April-May(be) is 2 months.
Has anyone ever shipped on time?
Seriously, has anyone ever shipped on time?

Actually yes, KNC shipped on time.

Acutally, no they didn't. They may have only missed it by days/weeks, but they missed it.

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Quote from: OleOle on February 03, 2014, 06:41:59 PM

Read on, Lloydie, you're not even at the end of the conversation. You missed the post where the mod neatly negates the person you're ostensibly supporting then your champion flounders by trying to cherry-pick parts of my comments.

Did I forget to mention you're an asshat? Cheesy

Run along now, let's hear something that resembles a paragraph of original thought when you next post. I have to say that my post about you and the dead philosophers still makes me smile, especially as it only seems to have now dawned on you that you are the about-to-be-scammed, the scammed and the scammee.

You didn't know you were more than just an asshat, did you?

Wink

I know there is a good chance I've been scammed. The sick part are wankers like you and PG doing the I told you so's, asking for 10 Btc for info, producing "satire", and you "philosophy". Thanks but seriously get a fucking life. Be witty with your meaningless bullshit somewhere else. We do not thank you. We say Fuck Off to you with a middle finger. Make that one arm over the other with a raised fist.

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Quote from: terrapinflyer on February 03, 2014, 05:16:40 PM

Quote from: Unacceptable on February 03, 2014, 04:54:59 PM

So,feb-march-april-maybe in may is 2 months Huh

Looks like 3 months at least if they do deliver by may 1st Roll Eyes

The original ship date was the end of Feb not the beginning. No one ever expected to see shipping before the end of Feb, if you did you where completely oblivious. So you math is a bit off, April-May(be) is 2 months.
Has anyone ever shipped on time?
Seriously, has anyone ever shipped on time?

Actually yes, KNC shipped on time.

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Quote from: OleOle on February 03, 2014, 04:29:43 PM

Quote from: jimmothy on February 03, 2014, 04:18:58 PM

Quote from: OleOle on February 03, 2014, 04:09:56 PM

Quote from: ?? on ??

Hi ! Well.. PG is just trolling this forum in an unacceptable way.

Correction, there is no trolling. The information being provided and the holding of supposed responsible parties to account is more than acceptable, it is completely necessary and is one of the few reasons why any disclosure at all is taking place by a company who received funds in good faith from customers but whose good faith is far from being repaid.

You are delusional. Quit trolling and do something productive.

You come to this thread knowing that literally every asic manufacturer has experienced delays and act like you predicted the future when it was the same with BA.

Try not to pat yourself on the back too hard.

Notice how the only ones crying for a refund are the ones without orders from BA?

Seriously fuck off. We all knew that when preordering nonexistent hardware there would be a huge chance of delays and we accepted that fact when ordering.

We will get our (still best priced) hardware eventually and you will continue hopping from thread to thread letting everyone who preordered an asic know exactly how stupid they are.

Get a life

No mate, you can fuck off yourself asshole. When members of the community provide information that informs the community at large of nefarious dealings, inconsistent statements, broken promises and attempts to defraud, it sure as hell isn't trolling, it's holding people to account.

If you don't like it that's too fucking bad.

I do hope you get your hardware but in the meantime, direct any anger you have to those who've deliberately lied to you about realistic delivery dates, those who've suckered you in to take the investment risk normally taken by venture capitalists who also become part owners in the business and who have dangled you out on the customer thread with very limited upside, that is, assuming you get a product at all.

You may not like it, but your attempts to shout down meaningful criticism do you no service at all.

No ole, you Fuck Off. You are NOT providing meaningful criticism. Asshole.

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I think jimmothy is an example of customers what every asic preorder company desire

no offense

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Quote from: Flying Hellfish on February 03, 2014, 06:03:03 PM

Quote from: Unacceptable on February 03, 2014, 05:55:43 PM

Quote from: terrapinflyer on February 03, 2014, 05:16:40 PM

Quote from: Unacceptable on February 03, 2014, 04:54:59 PM

So,feb-march-april-maybe in may is 2 months Huh

Looks like 3 months at least if they do deliver by may 1st Roll Eyes

The original ship date was the end of Feb not the beginning. No one ever expected to see shipping before the end of Feb, if you did you where completely oblivious. So you math is a bit off, April-May(be) is 2 months.
Has anyone ever shipped on time?
Seriously, has anyone ever shipped on time?

I stand corrected,starting from march 10th,april 10th-may 10th is 2 months extra waiting..............

My orders are 1st batch,so yes I expected feb 24th to march 10th as my ship dates

Yes ASICminer-no delays,KNC-1-2 weeks,MBP-1 month I think,I'll be corrected,I'm sure Cheesy

Everybody always leaves out Bitmain. Selling and shipping only what they have in stock, those lads deserve some credit.

I told ya I'd be corrected!!!!!!!! Cheesy

Absolutely they do Wink

In fact I'm ordering 1 in a few hours & another in a week or 2 Cool

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Quote from: Unacceptable on February 03, 2014, 05:55:43 PM

Quote from: terrapinflyer on February 03, 2014, 05:16:40 PM

Quote from: Unacceptable on February 03, 2014, 04:54:59 PM

So,feb-march-april-maybe in may is 2 months Huh

Looks like 3 months at least if they do deliver by may 1st Roll Eyes

The original ship date was the end of Feb not the beginning. No one ever expected to see shipping before the end of Feb, if you did you where completely oblivious. So you math is a bit off, April-May(be) is 2 months.
Has anyone ever shipped on time?
Seriously, has anyone ever shipped on time?

I stand corrected,starting from march 10th,april 10th-may 10th is 2 months extra waiting..............

My orders are 1st batch,so yes I expected feb 24th to march 10th as my ship dates

Yes ASICminer-no delays,KNC-1-2 weeks,MBP-1 month I think,I'll be corrected,I'm sure Cheesy

Everybody always leaves out Bitmain. Selling and shipping only what they have in stock, those lads deserve some credit.

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Quote from: terrapinflyer on February 03, 2014, 05:16:40 PM

Quote from: Unacceptable on February 03, 2014, 04:54:59 PM

So,feb-march-april-maybe in may is 2 months Huh

Looks like 3 months at least if they do deliver by may 1st Roll Eyes

The original ship date was the end of Feb not the beginning. No one ever expected to see shipping before the end of Feb, if you did you where completely oblivious. So you math is a bit off, April-May(be) is 2 months.
Has anyone ever shipped on time?
Seriously, has anyone ever shipped on time?

I stand corrected,starting from march 10th,april 10th-may 10th is 2 months extra waiting..............

My orders are 1st batch,so yes I expected feb 24th to march 10th as my ship dates

Yes ASICminer-no delays,KNC-1-2 weeks,MBP-1 month I think,I'll be corrected,I'm sure Cheesy

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Quote from: gmaxwell on February 03, 2014, 05:20:56 PM

Quote from: jimmothy on February 03, 2014, 04:44:43 PM

FUN FACT: Literally EVERYONE who preordered an asic from ANY manufacturer that delivered made a profit in USD if they mined for a week or two then resold the hardware.

The only people who think they are getting scammed are the nerds who think that btc mining must result in a positive ROI in btc and think that the hardware manufacturer can be held accountable for that.

This is going a bit off-topic... but it really shouldn't be left unchallenged.

I think you're taking an exceptionally stupid position here. You have a stack of USD, you could do at least three things:
(0) Sit on your USD and do nothing.
(1) Buy Bitcoin.
(2) But a Bitcoin miner.

If (2) yields less bitcoin than you would have gotten with (1) you are worse off in every way. The miner takes up space, consumes power, has shipping and delivery risks, and is just as worthless as the Bitcoin if Bitcoin loses value, but is far less liquid. You take all the risks of owning Bitcoin, multiplied by illiquidity, plus some hardware specific risks.

There is no scenario in which (2) is better than (1) if (2) yields less Bitcoin, not if bitcoin goes up in value, not if it goes down, not if bitcoin becomes worthless, not on a boat, not with a goat.

Unless you want to consider incompetent people with no self control who can't manage to buy and hold things on their own— in which case I'll gladly offer second signer service for multisig at far less of a loss than ripoff prices from asic hardware vendors and a lot fewer risks.

I can actually think of a few cases where 2 is better than 1 or 0.

If you receive your miner and btc rate stays constant there would be little incentive for people to pour money in to new hardware or at least as quickly as expected. This could mean difficulty is much less than predicted and everyone reaches roi.

alternatively the price of btc could go up and you might only reach 50% roi but if you resell your miner after using it for a month you could probably reach a positive roi or come very close in btc terms (usd would reach positive roi in this case)

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Quote from: OleOle

I think you'll find that there are plenty of people who are disappointed with the conduct of BA, that's what this thread has been discussing for the last ten pages or more, so read back if you're unclear what different people have stated, I'm not going to generalise their reactions like you did in an attempt to prove my point. Suffice to say there's more than a handful of voices expressing discontent.

You asked, "Why are you so mad?" which is really quite ironic as you jumped on my earlier comment where I stated that 'there was no trolling, only a necessary holding to account' and then told me to fuck off. So am I mad? No, not really, so I just told you to fuck off back. Fair's fair, isn't it?

You're right there was some disappointment but only from maybe 5 people who actually purchased a preorder. If you cant look at PGs 5 pages worth of posts in this thread and don't see trolling I don't know if you can be helped. He did the same shit in the hashfast thread and they are now shipping hardware with decent specs.

We have been told by bobsag3 (very reputable seller) that they are going to be talking with BA to clarify about the delays and refunds even though they are not obligated to give refunds according to their agreement terms so no need to panic.

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Quote from: jimmothy on February 03, 2014, 04:44:43 PM

FUN FACT: Literally EVERYONE who preordered an asic from ANY manufacturer that delivered made a profit in USD if they mined for a week or two then resold the hardware.

The only people who think they are getting scammed are the nerds who think that btc mining must result in a positive ROI in btc and think that the hardware manufacturer can be held accountable for that.

This is going a bit off-topic... but it really shouldn't be left unchallenged.

I think you're taking an exceptionally stupid position here. You have a stack of USD, you could do at least three things:
(0) Sit on your USD and do nothing.
(1) Buy Bitcoin.
(2) But a Bitcoin miner.

If (2) yields less bitcoin than you would have gotten with (1) you are worse off in every way. The miner takes up space, consumes power, has shipping and delivery risks, and is just as worthless as the Bitcoin if Bitcoin loses value, but is far less liquid. You take all the risks of owning Bitcoin, multiplied by illiquidity, plus some hardware specific risks.

There is no scenario in which (2) is better than (1) if (2) yields less Bitcoin, not if bitcoin goes up in value, not if it goes down, not if bitcoin becomes worthless, not on a boat, not with a goat.

Unless you want to consider incompetent people with no self control who can't manage to buy and hold things on their own— in which case I'll gladly offer second signer service for multisig at far less of a loss than ripoff prices from asic hardware vendors and a lot fewer risks.

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Quote from: Unacceptable on February 03, 2014, 04:54:59 PM

So,feb-march-april-maybe in may is 2 months Huh

Looks like 3 months at least if they do deliver by may 1st Roll Eyes

The original ship date was the end of Feb not the beginning. No one ever expected to see shipping before the end of Feb, if you did you where completely oblivious. So you math is a bit off, April-May(be) is 2 months.
Has anyone ever shipped on time?
Seriously, has anyone ever shipped on time?

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Have Black Arrow done the tape out yet?

Last I read, it had been delayed.

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Heh... I love this thread.

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So,feb-march-april-maybe in may is 2 months Huh

Looks like 3 months at least if they do deliver by may 1st Roll Eyes

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Quote from: OleOle on February 03, 2014, 04:29:43 PM

Quote from: jimmothy on February 03, 2014, 04:18:58 PM

Quote from: OleOle on February 03, 2014, 04:09:56 PM

Quote from: ?? on ??

Hi ! Well.. PG is just trolling this forum in an unacceptable way.

Correction, there is no trolling. The information being provided and the holding of supposed responsible parties to account is more than acceptable, it is completely necessary and is one of the few reasons why any disclosure at all is taking place by a company who received funds in good faith from customers but whose good faith is far from being repaid.

You are delusional. Quit trolling and do something productive.

You come to this thread knowing that literally every asic manufacturer has experienced delays and act like you predicted the future when it was the same with BA.

Try not to pat yourself on the back too hard.

Notice how the only ones crying for a refund are the ones without orders from BA?

Seriously fuck off. We all knew that when preordering nonexistent hardware there would be a huge chance of delays and we accepted that fact when ordering.

We will get our (still best priced) hardware eventually and you will continue hopping from thread to thread letting everyone who preordered an asic know exactly how stupid they are.

Get a life

No mate, you can fuck off yourself asshole. When members of the community provide information that informs the community at large of nefarious dealings, inconsistent statements, broken promises and attempts to defraud, it sure as hell isn't trolling, it's holding people to account.

If you don't like it that's too fucking bad.

I do hope you get your hardware but in the meantime, direct any anger you have to those who've deliberately lied to you about realistic delivery dates, those who've suckered you in to take the investment risk normally taken by venture capitalists who also become part owners in the business and who have dangled you out on the customer thread with very limited upside, that is, assuming you get a product at all.

You may not like it, but your attempts to shout down meaningful criticism do you no service at all.

FUN FACT: Literally EVERYONE who preordered an asic from ANY manufacturer that delivered made a profit in USD if they mined for a week or two then resold the hardware.

The only people who think they are getting scammed are the nerds who think that btc mining must result in a positive ROI in btc and think that the hardware manufacturer can be held accountable for that.

Why are you so mad? The people in this thread who have invested thousands are not even a fraction as irritated as you and PG.

BA is 2 months late. Thats it. If you don't want delays don't preorder a hypothetical product. If you don't mind possible delays and want a spot in line for one of the most cost efficient asics available you might be interested in preordering.

You might want to rethink what you consider "meaningful criticism" because you and PG have done nothing but cry about a delay and scream for refunds even though you never ordered anything from them and never planned to. This is nothing more than "I told you so" but nobody had disagreed in the first place that there would likely be delays.

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Quote from: OleOle on February 03, 2014, 04:09:56 PM

Quote from: ?? on ??

Hi ! Well.. PG is just trolling this forum in an unacceptable way.

Correction, there is no trolling. The information being provided and the holding of supposed responsible parties to account is more than acceptable, it is completely necessary and is one of the few reasons why any disclosure at all is taking place by a company who received funds in good faith from customers but whose good faith is far from being repaid.

You are delusional. Quit trolling and do something productive.

You come to this thread knowing that literally every asic manufacturer has experienced delays and act like you predicted the future when it was the same with BA.

Try not to pat yourself on the back too hard.

Notice how the only ones crying for a refund are the ones without orders from BA?

Seriously fuck off. We all knew that when preordering nonexistent hardware there would be a huge chance of delays and we accepted that fact when ordering.

We will get our (still best priced) hardware eventually and you will continue hopping from thread to thread letting everyone who preordered an asic know exactly how stupid they are.

Get a life

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