Black Arrow 28nm 100Ghash Bitcoin ASIC from $0.49/GH/s - page 310.

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Quote from: Stedsm on January 03, 2014, 01:08:19 AM

From BA:

" Dear Customers,

We have some updates:

The Minion:

We have our final specs for the Minion. Based on our library (we can only simulate the TT corner which is 0.85v @ 25C) and the power consumption is 0.6-0.65W/Ghash. We trust that underclocked and underpowered the Minion will achieve under 0.5W/ghash as promised.

This is not as good as our first simulations which were based only on Front End but this is where we need to stop. The time does not allow us to continue our effort towards seeking a lower power consumption.

We had to drop the frequency from 1.5Ghz to 1.0Ghz in order to achieve this efficiency. However we've increased the number of cores so the Minion will hash at the speed promised.

We had met all the timings for 1.5Ghz but the efficiency was 0.8W/Ghash and this is not something we could have accepted.

The minion driver:

We have also published the minion driver and we're happy to announce that it is steadily mining into cgminer. We've made the driver open source:

https://github.com/ckolivas/cgminer/blob/master/driver-minion.c

Batch 1 closed:

We have closed batch 1. All orders paid in 2014 will be shipped around 1st of May. "

Thanks for the update!

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100Ghash Bitcoin ASIC from $1.49/Ghash

That means $149 per this one ASIC?!
I do not see any product of this price on their site..?!
How can this be possible and true?
Sorry for my misunderstanding and thanks for clarifying and... clearance!

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Quote from: capitalaccent on January 03, 2014, 08:04:47 AM

Quote from: erk on January 03, 2014, 07:51:17 AM

We all know some ASIC manufactures are mining with THEIR equipment. However Black Arrow are a start up so where are they getting the chips from to make miners when their first wafer run has not been finished? Where is the evidence to back your claim?

As far as I know they manufacture their own minion chip miner, the only thing they need from other manufacturer are the boards on which their chips will be mounted. Am I right or wrong...?

No, they actually manufacture some boards based on Bitfury ASIC chips. The intend to make a Minion chip miner, after they make their first batch of Minion chips. As yet I believe they still need to prove they are an ASIC manufacturer.

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Quote from: erk on January 03, 2014, 07:51:17 AM

We all know some ASIC manufactures are mining with THEIR equipment. However Black Arrow are a start up so where are they getting the chips from to make miners when their first wafer run has not been finished? Where is the evidence to back your claim?

As far as I know they manufacture their own minion chip miner, the only thing they need from other manufacturer are the boards on which their chips will be mounted. Am I right or wrong...?

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Quote from: erk on January 03, 2014, 07:51:17 AM

Quote from: loshia on January 03, 2014, 04:42:18 AM

What i am saying that blackArow and other Asic Manufactures will (are already mining) mine until march and then sell it to you at incredible price of 1.49 paid today. What i say is that until march there will be a lot of batches mining before march comes and so on.
What i am saying is that we are the only ones to be blamed because of it not the manufactures. What i am saying is this that with preorder money taken today they cover 100% of their expenses for chip designing fabs and so on with zero risk and give us the crap left with no value in it when march comes and so on. Do you got the idea if no please put your money where you want and preorder today. If yes think about it. it is not business it is a robbery!

We all know some ASIC manufactures are mining with THEIR equipment. However Black Arrow are a start up so where are they getting the chips from to make miners when their first wafer run has not been finished? Where is the evidence to back your claim?

Being honest i have not read blackArow thread closely.So please excuse me it might not be the case for blackArow. Take my apology for that.
I was trying to say that the entire preorder thing is leading to nowhere for us the customers. We take all the risk and losses. Manufactures take the profit with zero risk that is all

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Quote from: loshia on January 03, 2014, 04:42:18 AM

What i am saying that blackArow and other Asic Manufactures will (are already mining) mine until march and then sell it to you at incredible price of 1.49 paid today. What i say is that until march there will be a lot of batches mining before march comes and so on.
What i am saying is that we are the only ones to be blamed because of it not the manufactures. What i am saying is this that with preorder money taken today they cover 100% of their expenses for chip designing fabs and so on with zero risk and give us the crap left with no value in it when march comes and so on. Do you got the idea if no please put your money where you want and preorder today. If yes think about it. it is not business it is a robbery!

We all know some ASIC manufactures are mining with THEIR equipment. However Black Arrow are a start up so where are they getting the chips from to make miners when their first wafer run has not been finished? Where is the evidence to back your claim?

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Just been on the phone to BA. Those that have already ordered from me, are guaranteed batch 1 (assuming the money comes in, within the next few days).

loshia

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Quote from: Andrey on January 03, 2014, 04:36:04 AM

Quote from: loshia on January 03, 2014, 04:18:56 AM

Quote from: Unacceptable on January 03, 2014, 04:14:41 AM

Quote from: loshia on January 03, 2014, 03:55:10 AM

Quote from: TerraHasher on January 03, 2014, 03:45:54 AM

1st of may for orders paid today? Wowza, i guess its time to look to the competition.

There is no competition dude
What can be bought today will never make back in terms of BTC Roi, what can be bought tomorrow (mounts later) same shit

Quick and dirty calc may diff will be around 13,824,412,552
so even at $1.49/Ghash you are not breaking even
F...K

LMAO.........94 PETAhash....REALLY!!! Shocked

20-30 PETAhash is possible by may,if ALL companies ship EVERYTHING by then Roll Eyes

Where do they get these calculators Huh

Nevermind....yes 94 PETAhash....DO NOT BUY ANY ASIC's FOLKS !!!!!!!!!!! Grin

Maybe even 500 PETAhash,be VERY afraid of buying ASIC's Cheesy

You know that what is meant to be shipped by then is already mining. The question is when that time comes what is going to be shipped by the e ;)nd of the year
The numbers:
http://btcinvest.net/en/bitcoin-mining-profit-calculator.php
This madness will stop when FAB ASIC chip cost will not cover the profit from it. I really do hope that we are going to reach this soon so things in BTC world will calm down

Are you trying to say that 20-30 petahashes are already mining (but invisible to us) and the 94 petahashes you mention will descend upon us from Mars few monthes later?

Somehow I have hard time to believe in that.

What i am saying that blackArow and other Asic Manufactures will (are already mining) mine until march and then sell it to you at incredible price of 1.49 paid today. What i say is that until march there will be a lot of batches mining before march comes and so on.
What i am saying is that we are the only ones to be blamed because of it not the manufactures. What i am saying is this that with preorder money taken today they cover 100% of their expenses for chip designing fabs and so on with zero risk and give us the crap left with no value in it when march comes and so on. Do you got the idea if no please put your money where you want and preorder today. If yes think about it. it is not business it is a robbery!

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Quote from: Andrey on January 03, 2014, 04:36:04 AM

Quote from: loshia on January 03, 2014, 04:18:56 AM

Quote from: Unacceptable on January 03, 2014, 04:14:41 AM

Quote from: loshia on January 03, 2014, 03:55:10 AM

Quote from: TerraHasher on January 03, 2014, 03:45:54 AM

1st of may for orders paid today? Wowza, i guess its time to look to the competition.

There is no competition dude
What can be bought today will never make back in terms of BTC Roi, what can be bought tomorrow (mounts later) same shit

Quick and dirty calc may diff will be around 13,824,412,552
so even at $1.49/Ghash you are not breaking even
F...K

LMAO.........94 PETAhash....REALLY!!! Shocked

20-30 PETAhash is possible by may,if ALL companies ship EVERYTHING by then Roll Eyes

Where do they get these calculators Huh

Nevermind....yes 94 PETAhash....DO NOT BUY ANY ASIC's FOLKS !!!!!!!!!!! Grin

Maybe even 500 PETAhash,be VERY afraid of buying ASIC's Cheesy

You know that what is meant to be shipped by then is already mining. The question is when that time comes what is going to be shipped by the e ;)nd of the year
The numbers:
http://btcinvest.net/en/bitcoin-mining-profit-calculator.php
This madness will stop when FAB ASIC chip cost will not cover the profit from it. I really do hope that we are going to reach this soon so things in BTC world will calm down

Are you trying to say that 20-30 petahashes are already mining (but invisible to us) and the 94 petahashes you mention will descend upon us from Mars few monthes later?

Somehow I have hard time to believe in that.

Dude,you never heard of INVISIcoin Huh

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Quote from: loshia on January 03, 2014, 04:18:56 AM

Quote from: Unacceptable on January 03, 2014, 04:14:41 AM

Quote from: loshia on January 03, 2014, 03:55:10 AM

Quote from: TerraHasher on January 03, 2014, 03:45:54 AM

1st of may for orders paid today? Wowza, i guess its time to look to the competition.

There is no competition dude
What can be bought today will never make back in terms of BTC Roi, what can be bought tomorrow (mounts later) same shit

Quick and dirty calc may diff will be around 13,824,412,552
so even at $1.49/Ghash you are not breaking even
F...K

LMAO.........94 PETAhash....REALLY!!! Shocked

20-30 PETAhash is possible by may,if ALL companies ship EVERYTHING by then Roll Eyes

Where do they get these calculators Huh

Nevermind....yes 94 PETAhash....DO NOT BUY ANY ASIC's FOLKS !!!!!!!!!!! Grin

Maybe even 500 PETAhash,be VERY afraid of buying ASIC's Cheesy

You know that what is meant to be shipped by then is already mining. The question is when that time comes what is going to be shipped by the e ;)nd of the year
The numbers:
http://btcinvest.net/en/bitcoin-mining-profit-calculator.php
This madness will stop when FAB ASIC chip cost will not cover the profit from it. I really do hope that we are going to reach this soon so things in BTC world will calm down

Are you trying to say that 20-30 petahashes are already mining (but invisible to us) and the 94 petahashes you mention will descend upon us from Mars few monthes later?

Somehow I have hard time to believe in that.

loshia

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Quote from: Unacceptable on January 03, 2014, 04:14:41 AM

Quote from: loshia on January 03, 2014, 03:55:10 AM

Quote from: TerraHasher on January 03, 2014, 03:45:54 AM

1st of may for orders paid today? Wowza, i guess its time to look to the competition.

There is no competition dude
What can be bought today will never make back in terms of BTC Roi, what can be bought tomorrow (mounts later) same shit

Quick and dirty calc may diff will be around 13,824,412,552
so even at $1.49/Ghash you are not breaking even
F...K

LMAO.........94 PETAhash....REALLY!!! Shocked

20-30 PETAhash is possible by may,if ALL companies ship EVERYTHING by then Roll Eyes

Where do they get these calculators Huh

Nevermind....yes 94 PETAhash....DO NOT BUY ANY ASIC's FOLKS !!!!!!!!!!! Grin

Maybe even 500 PETAhash,be VERY afraid of buying ASIC's Cheesy

You know that what is meant to be shipped by then is already mining. The question is when that time comes what is going to be shipped by the e ;)nd of the year
The numbers:
http://btcinvest.net/en/bitcoin-mining-profit-calculator.php
This madness will stop when FAB ASIC chip cost will not cover the profit from it. I really do hope that we are going to reach this soon so things in BTC world will calm down

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shhhhhhhhh. diff is going to the mooon!

Unacceptable

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Quote from: loshia on January 03, 2014, 03:55:10 AM

Quote from: TerraHasher on January 03, 2014, 03:45:54 AM

1st of may for orders paid today? Wowza, i guess its time to look to the competition.

There is no competition dude
What can be bought today will never make back in terms of BTC Roi, what can be bought tomorrow (mounts later) same shit

Quick and dirty calc may diff will be around 13,824,412,552
so even at $1.49/Ghash you are not breaking even
F...K

LMAO.........94 PETAhash....REALLY!!! Shocked

20-30 PETAhash is possible by may,if ALL companies ship EVERYTHING by then Roll Eyes

Where do they get these calculators Huh

Nevermind....yes 94 PETAhash....DO NOT BUY ANY ASIC's FOLKS !!!!!!!!!!! Grin

Maybe even 500 PETAhash,be VERY afraid of buying ASIC's Cheesy

loshia

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Quote from: TerraHasher on January 03, 2014, 04:01:55 AM

Quote from: loshia on January 03, 2014, 03:55:10 AM

Quote from: TerraHasher on January 03, 2014, 03:45:54 AM

1st of may for orders paid today? Wowza, i guess its time to look to the competition.

There is no competition dude
What can be bought today will never make back in terms of BTC Roi, what can be bought tomorrow (mounts later) same shit

Quick and dirty calc may diff will be around 13,824,412,552
so even at $1.49/Ghash yuo are not breaking even
F...K

Breaking even? since when has bitcoin been about instant profit? It took me 3 years for the hardware i bought back then to turn "profit" now. It will be no different now. BTmine, vision man, Antminer. all available now. Can all but make up the difference between ordering and getting now and waiting for the difficulty to increase a few dozen times between now and May. May not make a higher $ amount. but will make a ton more coin than waiting until May for machines.

Any way i am not arguing with you dude I have always said that making a deal should be profitable for both parties not just for one. I am not playing this game not anymore

Let me tell you that when asics were knocking at the door BTCASIC/AVALON batch1 times i spent 20K for FPGA's and it took me 5 mounths to make money. Now the point is how much i am going to loose if spent 20K for BTmine or Antminer. I guess at least 60%. On some time on it just not covering electricity you know that do you?

I am more to buy BTC for 20K Or to spent 20K for some charity apart of BTC world.

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Quote from: loshia on January 03, 2014, 03:55:10 AM

Quote from: TerraHasher on January 03, 2014, 03:45:54 AM

1st of may for orders paid today? Wowza, i guess its time to look to the competition.

There is no competition dude
What can be bought today will never make back in terms of BTC Roi, what can be bought tomorrow (mounts later) same shit

Quick and dirty calc may diff will be around 13,824,412,552
so even at $1.49/Ghash yuo are not breaking even
F...K

Breaking even? since when has bitcoin been about instant profit? It took me 3 years for the hardware i bought back then to turn "profit" now. It will be no different now. BTmine, vision man, Antminer. all available now. Can all but make up the difference between ordering and getting now and waiting for the difficulty to increase a few dozen times between now and May. May not make a higher $ amount. but will make a ton more coin than waiting until May for machines.

loshia

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Quote from: TerraHasher on January 03, 2014, 03:45:54 AM

1st of may for orders paid today? Wowza, i guess its time to look to the competition.

There is no competition dude
What can be bought today will never make back in terms of BTC Roi, what can be bought tomorrow (mounts later) same shit

Quick and dirty calc may diff will be around 13,824,412,552
so even at $1.49/Ghash you are not breaking even
F...K

TerraHasher

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1st of may for orders paid today? Wowza, i guess its time to look to the competition.

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Quote from: nosferatujeff on January 02, 2014, 04:27:30 PM

Quote from: BlackArrow Matt on January 02, 2014, 02:10:58 PM

Will see if we can get an update for everyone soon.

Thank you Matt.

+1 Yes Matt please update us about the Prospero miners.

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Quote from: nosferatujeff on December 31, 2013, 09:28:05 PM

Black Arrow LTD:

Could we please have an engineering update on the progress of the Minion ASIC? Thank you for your time.

From BA:

" Dear Customers,

We have some updates:

The Minion:

We have our final specs for the Minion. Based on our library (we can only simulate the TT corner which is 0.85v @ 25C) and the power consumption is 0.6-0.65W/Ghash. We trust that underclocked and underpowered the Minion will achieve under 0.5W/ghash as promised.

This is not as good as our first simulations which were based only on Front End but this is where we need to stop. The time does not allow us to continue our effort towards seeking a lower power consumption.

We had to drop the frequency from 1.5Ghz to 1.0Ghz in order to achieve this efficiency. However we've increased the number of cores so the Minion will hash at the speed promised.

We had met all the timings for 1.5Ghz but the efficiency was 0.8W/Ghash and this is not something we could have accepted.

The minion driver:

We have also published the minion driver and we're happy to announce that it is steadily mining into cgminer. We've made the driver open source:

https://github.com/ckolivas/cgminer/blob/master/driver-minion.c

Batch 1 closed:

We have closed batch 1. All orders paid in 2014 will be shipped around 1st of May. "

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Working on my Reseller Account:

Work in Progress:
http://minermarket.net/
password:
draild

Payments will be through Bitpay and Wire.
Still need to determine Shipping stuff.

Thank you.

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