is this the cheapest 2 th machine?
also what can i do if i was also trying to buy the prospero x3 for $3999?
Topic: Black Arrow 28nm 100Ghash Bitcoin ASIC from $0.49/GH/s - page 360. (Read 787286 times)
The prospero x3 just went up 500$ *while* I was doing the checkout! (4499$ instead of 3999$).
The explanation is in the previous thread. However, we will offer you 2000Ghash for the price of 1300Ghash. Please contact us to give you a gift certificate for the difference.
for 3 grand I can have a 2 TH miner on 2/24/2013, why not just say March?
Genesis block quotes the estimation to be maybe 7 BTC over the lifefime of the product ~ $952 if we choose to keep todays Gox price of 136. What are your comments on this statement?
The prospero x3 just went up 500$ *while* I was doing the checkout! (4499$ instead of 3999$).
The explanation is in the previous thread. However, we will offer you 2000Ghash for the price of 1300Ghash. Please contact us to give you a gift certificate for the difference.
Shenzhen, 26 September, 2013: Black Arrow is proud to announce that it has upgraded the specifications of its Minion chip to 100 Ghash (up to 128 Ghash when overclocked).
Prospero X-1 will scan 100Ghash while using less than 55 Watts and Prospero X-3 will be able to scan an outstanding 2000Ghash while using less than 1050 Watt.
More details here:
http://www.blackarrowsoftware.com/store/prospero-x-1.html
http://www.blackarrowsoftware.com/store/prospero-x-3.html
http://www.blackarrowsoftware.com/store/minion.html
Customers who have placed and paid the orders until now are offered a free upgrade while customers who have placed orders but not yet paid still have 5 days from today to benefit of the free upgrade.
Our Lancelot customers will continue to benefit of the initial prices until 5th of September. We have emailed all Lancelot customers with information on how to use the trade-in program.
We are currently offering 35% discount to customers who pay their order in full and 20% discount to customers who wish to pay 50% in advance and 50% before shipment. After October 2013 we will reduce the discounts gradually until they reach their full retail price which is $415 for Prospero X1 (100Ghash) and $6999 for Prospero X3 (2000Ghash).
Please note that February deliveries are limited because we will produce a limited number of wafers. The remaining orders will need to wait 1 month more until the 2nd batch.
The current discounts and offers are limited. The promotion will stop once we've covered the engineering costs. We do not aim to make any profit on our first batch of ASICs and our sole target is to cover the manufacturing costs. We have funded more than 70% of the NRE from our own funds. We can get the remaining 30% from various investors but we wish to give our customers the opportunity to benefit of low prices while helping us complete this project.
Prospero X-1 will scan 100Ghash while using less than 55 Watts and Prospero X-3 will be able to scan an outstanding 2000Ghash while using less than 1050 Watt.
More details here:
http://www.blackarrowsoftware.com/store/prospero-x-1.html
http://www.blackarrowsoftware.com/store/prospero-x-3.html
http://www.blackarrowsoftware.com/store/minion.html
Customers who have placed and paid the orders until now are offered a free upgrade while customers who have placed orders but not yet paid still have 5 days from today to benefit of the free upgrade.
Our Lancelot customers will continue to benefit of the initial prices until 5th of September. We have emailed all Lancelot customers with information on how to use the trade-in program.
We are currently offering 35% discount to customers who pay their order in full and 20% discount to customers who wish to pay 50% in advance and 50% before shipment. After October 2013 we will reduce the discounts gradually until they reach their full retail price which is $415 for Prospero X1 (100Ghash) and $6999 for Prospero X3 (2000Ghash).
Please note that February deliveries are limited because we will produce a limited number of wafers. The remaining orders will need to wait 1 month more until the 2nd batch.
The current discounts and offers are limited. The promotion will stop once we've covered the engineering costs. We do not aim to make any profit on our first batch of ASICs and our sole target is to cover the manufacturing costs. We have funded more than 70% of the NRE from our own funds. We can get the remaining 30% from various investors but we wish to give our customers the opportunity to benefit of low prices while helping us complete this project.
The prospero x3 just went up 500$ *while* I was doing the checkout! (4499$ instead of 3999$).
Explanation?
Explanation?
At today’s Bitcoin price and network hashing rate, X-1 would return $523 in 15 days and X-3 would return $10631 in 15 days [1]
[1] As Bitcoin network is currently growing, we expect that the actual revenue by the time of shipment to be lower than this.
[1] As Bitcoin network is currently growing, we expect that the actual revenue by the time of shipment to be lower than this.
Why not update with expected return from any public website as source (genesisblock or btcinvest for example)? It's not really fair to display ROI on todays difficulty rate. When you are not delivering today.
If you are delivering today fine , if you are delivering in february, try and calculate return in february on expected february difficulty numbers.
Im looking to order but need clear rules for both category too.
TIA
TIA
We are drafting them. We will post them on the website and here on the forum as soon as we have them finalized . We have to look into how to configure the shopping cart as well. Thank you for your patience. We work as fast as we can to keep up with you.
We are sorry if sometimes we seem to work slow. We are doing our best.
Im looking to order but need clear rules for both category too.
TIA
TIA
25% more Ghs than the cheaper competitor ? In the .28nm chip competitor or any die size ?
I'm willing to pre-order but need more info about how the price will be determined.
Will you still honor this "not yet clear" promise even if the competitors sells for less than 1$/Ghs ?
Or even lower than 0.50$/Ghs ?
This scenario is quite possible IMO..
I'm willing to pre-order but need more info about how the price will be determined.
Will you still honor this "not yet clear" promise even if the competitors sells for less than 1$/Ghs ?
Or even lower than 0.50$/Ghs ?
This scenario is quite possible IMO..
can you make new way to preorder ?
30% now, 70% on delivery ?
like on normal service buisness ?
This I already mentioned to them. You and I agree.
And we have posted the poll on our website http://www.blackarrowsoftware.com/store/sales-preference.html .
That's a good start, but I think bbxx and I were referring to partial preorder payment where the equipment price remains the same.
Not knocking you, just saying that's where we were coming from.
The price will be discounted, but not 25%. There are clients who want to pay in full but lower prices. It has to be a difference between these 2 categories.
Black Arrow whats going on with lancelot trade-in option? thanks!
Customers are already placing orders and we apply the discounts manually. There will be a mass email today with instructions for all our Lancelot customers. Thank you for your patience.
Black Arrow whats going on with lancelot trade-in option? thanks!
25% more Ghs than the cheaper competitor ? In the .28nm chip competitor or any die size ?
I'm willing to pre-order but need more info about how the price will be determined.
Will you still honor this "not yet clear" promise even if the competitors sells for less than 1$/Ghs ?
Or even lower than 0.50$/Ghs ?
This scenario is quite possible IMO..
I'm willing to pre-order but need more info about how the price will be determined.
Will you still honor this "not yet clear" promise even if the competitors sells for less than 1$/Ghs ?
Or even lower than 0.50$/Ghs ?
This scenario is quite possible IMO..
can you make new way to preorder ?
30% now, 70% on delivery ?
like on normal service buisness ?
This I already mentioned to them. You and I agree.
And we have posted the poll on our website http://www.blackarrowsoftware.com/store/sales-preference.html .
That's a good start, but I think bbxx and I were referring to partial preorder payment where the equipment price remains the same.
Not knocking you, just saying that's where we were coming from.
The price will be discounted, but not 25%. There are clients who want to pay in full but lower prices. It has to be a difference between these 2 categories.
25% more Ghs than the cheaper competitor ? In the .28nm chip competitor or any die size ?
I'm willing to pre-order but need more info about how the price will be determined.
Will you still honor this "not yet clear" promise even if the competitors sells for less than 1$/Ghs ?
Or even lower than 0.50$/Ghs ?
This scenario is quite possible IMO..
I'm willing to pre-order but need more info about how the price will be determined.
Will you still honor this "not yet clear" promise even if the competitors sells for less than 1$/Ghs ?
Or even lower than 0.50$/Ghs ?
This scenario is quite possible IMO..
can you make new way to preorder ?
30% now, 70% on delivery ?
like on normal service buisness ?
This I already mentioned to them. You and I agree.
And we have posted the poll on our website http://www.blackarrowsoftware.com/store/sales-preference.html .
That's a good start, but I think bbxx and I were referring to partial preorder payment where the equipment price remains the same.
Not knocking you, just saying that's where we were coming from.
+1
25% more Ghs than the cheaper competitor ? In the .28nm chip competitor or any die size ?
I'm willing to pre-order but need more info about how the price will be determined.
Will you still honor this "not yet clear" promise even if the competitors sells for less than 1$/Ghs ?
Or even lower than 0.50$/Ghs ?
This scenario is quite possible IMO..
I'm willing to pre-order but need more info about how the price will be determined.
Will you still honor this "not yet clear" promise even if the competitors sells for less than 1$/Ghs ?
Or even lower than 0.50$/Ghs ?
This scenario is quite possible IMO..
can you make new way to preorder ?
30% now, 70% on delivery ?
like on normal service buisness ?
This I already mentioned to them. You and I agree.
And we have posted the poll on our website http://www.blackarrowsoftware.com/store/sales-preference.html .
That's a good start, but I think bbxx and I were referring to partial preorder payment where the equipment price remains the same.
Not knocking you, just saying that's where we were coming from.
25% more Ghs than the cheaper competitor ? In the .28nm chip competitor or any die size ?
I'm willing to pre-order but need more info about how the price will be determined.
Will you still honor this "not yet clear" promise even if the competitors sells for less than 1$/Ghs ?
Or even lower than 0.50$/Ghs ?
This scenario is quite possible IMO..
I'm willing to pre-order but need more info about how the price will be determined.
Will you still honor this "not yet clear" promise even if the competitors sells for less than 1$/Ghs ?
Or even lower than 0.50$/Ghs ?
This scenario is quite possible IMO..
can you make new way to preorder ?
30% now, 70% on delivery ?
like on normal service buisness ?
This I already mentioned to them. You and I agree.
And we have posted the poll on our website http://www.blackarrowsoftware.com/store/sales-preference.html .
25% more Ghs than the cheaper competitor ? In the .28nm chip competitor or any die size ?
I'm willing to pre-order but need more info about how the price will be determined.
Will you still honor this "not yet clear" promise even if the competitors sells for less than 1$/Ghs ?
Or even lower than 0.50$/Ghs ?
This scenario is quite possible IMO..
I'm willing to pre-order but need more info about how the price will be determined.
Will you still honor this "not yet clear" promise even if the competitors sells for less than 1$/Ghs ?
Or even lower than 0.50$/Ghs ?
This scenario is quite possible IMO..
can you make new way to preorder ?
30% now, 70% on delivery ?
like on normal service buisness ?
This I already mentioned to them. You and I agree.
25% more Ghs than the cheaper competitor ? In the .28nm chip competitor or any die size ?
I'm willing to pre-order but need more info about how the price will be determined.
Will you still honor this "not yet clear" promise even if the competitors sells for less than 1$/Ghs ?
Or even lower than 0.50$/Ghs ?
This scenario is quite possible IMO..
I'm willing to pre-order but need more info about how the price will be determined.
Will you still honor this "not yet clear" promise even if the competitors sells for less than 1$/Ghs ?
Or even lower than 0.50$/Ghs ?
This scenario is quite possible IMO..
can you make new way to preorder ?
30% now, 70% on delivery ?
like on normal service buisness ?
25% more Ghs than the cheaper competitor ? In the .28nm chip competitor or any die size ?
I'm willing to pre-order but need more info about how the price will be determined.
Will you still honor this "not yet clear" promise even if the competitors sells for less than 1$/Ghs ?
Or even lower than 0.50$/Ghs ?
This scenario is quite possible IMO..
So if you sell 1 $ less than the cheapest competitor for the same Ghs, promise fullfilled ?
25% less $ / ghs ?
Wish you can provide cd some official numbers.. please
I'm willing to pre-order but need more info about how the price will be determined.
Will you still honor this "not yet clear" promise even if the competitors sells for less than 1$/Ghs ?
Or even lower than 0.50$/Ghs ?
This scenario is quite possible IMO..
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What we are trying to say is:
- We do not know what will happen with Bitcoin difficulty/revenue in February or December or even tomorrow. We do not avoid questions. We do not have an answer. Nobody has. On that date in February we will sell cheaper than our competition. This is our promise. If products from competition will have ROI in February than our products will have as well.
Hope this statement is more clear.
- We do not know what will happen with Bitcoin difficulty/revenue in February or December or even tomorrow. We do not avoid questions. We do not have an answer. Nobody has. On that date in February we will sell cheaper than our competition. This is our promise. If products from competition will have ROI in February than our products will have as well.
Hope this statement is more clear.
So if you sell 1 $ less than the cheapest competitor for the same Ghs, promise fullfilled ?
25% less $ / ghs ?
Wish you can provide cd some official numbers.. please
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If it's coming from us they should be more than capable to explain all aspects of their model/plans, much like you would if you were going to a bank for a loan or going in front of investors--they want to know what's going on to see how much risk there is vs reward. When these companies are hesitant to do that, buyers should take extra care with their decision.
Not to mention in most real-life scenarios, you're not using 100% of the crowdfunding as your required capital--it's usually part of it, or, you're limiting sales quantities the first run and only requiring partial payment from the crowd. IE get in on this big mining machine, it's retail cost is $5000. Pay $2000 now and when we're entering the final phase of building, you'll be required to remit the remainder of payment. And you constantly let folks know about milestones met. This builds trust super quickly.
Not to mention in most real-life scenarios, you're not using 100% of the crowdfunding as your required capital--it's usually part of it, or, you're limiting sales quantities the first run and only requiring partial payment from the crowd. IE get in on this big mining machine, it's retail cost is $5000. Pay $2000 now and when we're entering the final phase of building, you'll be required to remit the remainder of payment. And you constantly let folks know about milestones met. This builds trust super quickly.
We are considering this. We have done it before with Lancelot(Group manufacturing). We will make a Poll on our website to see if this something that customers are interested in.
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I like the idea of where blackarrow is going, but they're dodging basic questions. To make claims against a competitor and then try to use the same math to put themselves in a better light, without providing the support for it, is kindof unprofessional. Directly asked about it at least 3 times, dodged all of them, dancing around the issue. That makes me wonder.
I mean if you're going to say "my system will ROI but my competitor's wont" and then someone runs the math and calls BS, you should respond to that.
I mean if you're going to say "my system will ROI but my competitor's wont" and then someone runs the math and calls BS, you should respond to that.
What we are trying to say is:
- We do not know what will happen with Bitcoin difficulty/revenue in February or December or even tomorrow. We do not avoid questions. We do not have an answer. Nobody has. On that date in February we will sell cheaper than our competition. This is our promise. If products from competition will have ROI in February than our products will have as well.
Hope this statement is more clear.
This does clear it up more for me in my head. I suppose I was too nailed to the numbers. Thanks.
I'm trying to do a bit of "due diligence" digging - this is not a hostile post.
The site http://www.blackarrowsoftware.com/store/ has IP address 50.87.87.85 and its server is apparently in Provo, Utah. The only other site hosted by this server is cardreaderfactory.com according to http://www.urlvoid.com/ip/50.87.87.85/
Back in May there was some kind of group buy for Lancelots from cardreaderfactory that collapsed (I think): https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ended-cardreaderfactory-lancelot-group-purchase-due-to-seller-business-practice-193129 - I was not paying attention to that thread at the time.
I'm wondering if blackarrow could provide details on the history and relationships involved, and could perhaps comment on the choice of Provo, Utah for a server site.
The site http://www.blackarrowsoftware.com/store/ has IP address 50.87.87.85 and its server is apparently in Provo, Utah. The only other site hosted by this server is cardreaderfactory.com according to http://www.urlvoid.com/ip/50.87.87.85/
Back in May there was some kind of group buy for Lancelots from cardreaderfactory that collapsed (I think): https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ended-cardreaderfactory-lancelot-group-purchase-due-to-seller-business-practice-193129 - I was not paying attention to that thread at the time.
I'm wondering if blackarrow could provide details on the history and relationships involved, and could perhaps comment on the choice of Provo, Utah for a server site.
Cardreaderfactory is a different business fully equipped and experienced to sell online. We have used it to sell Lancelot. We did not accept group buy at that time and we do not accept now. But we welcome resellers. The reason why we do not accept group buy was explained in this thread. Please read it.
Also please read the BlackArrow thread for Lancelot sales: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/discontinued-lancelot-heavy-duty-400-mega-hashes-2-x-fpga-mining-board-187549 It will give you more perspective about history and relationships.
We have now decided to keep the business separate in order to avoid confusions.
We fully understand your concern and you are welcome to visit our office any time. The office address is on our website at http://www.blackarrowsoftware.com/store/contact-us.html
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