Black Arrow 28nm 100Ghash Bitcoin ASIC from $0.49/GH/s - page 43.

Dallas5

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Quote from: Pentax on September 03, 2014, 07:35:40 PM

For those in Europe:

European consumers network

http://ec.europa.eu/consumers/ecc/index_en.htm

Europe also has a RAPEX system with is integrated with China that is set up to notify people of dangerous products.

http://ec.europa.eu/consumers/archive/safety/rapex/rapex_china_en.htm

Someone in the EU will have to pick up the ball on this. get in touch with the consumers network and determine how to file a RAPEX alert.

Thanks, also use it to report Minersource since they refuse to send refunds and are breaking the law.

heslo

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Quote from: goozman96 on September 03, 2014, 09:44:07 PM

Quote from: ?? on ??

Oh thank god I jumped ship and took the chips to built by Marto, this is a joke! By the way you have to respect the guts of BA,
1. They miss they're ship date by 7 months
2 they lie all the way through it
3 they send an exploding product when they said they that one of the pro's of waiting 7 months past due is non exploding products
4 they blame YOU for RUSHING them!
Rushing them, oh come on now the original ship date was february guys.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Only difference for me was thank God I got a refund from Minersource.

Lucky you! I'm still waiting and get no response to my tickets

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Quote from: alfabitcoin on September 03, 2014, 07:50:15 AM

Cendav posted image.

http://imgur.com/8Oq1KWJ

Notice "ok" written on the board. Ok my ass!

can someone post a picture of what it should look like?

ElGrandJefe

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Quote from: 5craziest on September 03, 2014, 12:08:19 PM

Quote from: DebitMe on September 03, 2014, 09:49:18 AM

Someone please post this on ecointalk as well...

HAHA BA, your scrypt chip is already obsolete!
https://www.bitmaintech.com/productDetail.htm?pid=00020140830074550960Um75pnzg06E3
3 watts at the wall same as yours, and $5 a MH! They beat you before you even taped out! Bitmain to the moon yet again while BA is left to wallow in their own cesspool of shit.

EDIT: And able to mine n-10, n-11, and n-12 lol BA your dead in the water

Do you really think they ever intended to produce a Scrypt miner? I always figured it was pie in the sky

Are you kidding? They're doing Scrypt and 14nm! They're gonna tape out next week! And then they're gonna go home and have sex with their wife, Morgan Fairchild! Yeah, that's the ticket!

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Quote from: 5craziest on September 03, 2014, 12:08:19 PM

Quote from: DebitMe on September 03, 2014, 09:49:18 AM

Someone please post this on ecointalk as well...

HAHA BA, your scrypt chip is already obsolete!
https://www.bitmaintech.com/productDetail.htm?pid=00020140830074550960Um75pnzg06E3
3 watts at the wall same as yours, and $5 a MH! They beat you before you even taped out! Bitmain to the moon yet again while BA is left to wallow in their own cesspool of shit.

EDIT: And able to mine n-10, n-11, and n-12 lol BA your dead in the water

Do you really think they ever intended to produce a Scrypt miner? I always figured it was pie in the sky

I really can't imagine ANYONE being STUPID enough to invest with this company after this last debacle. Before this black arrow had a rather neutral reputation.

Not only did they delay the release 7 months and back out of the price matching guarantee they were so cocky about. Which is the same thing as compensation, they can call it what ever they want, that is hook that got people to order from them. Then you find out the hardware you order could potentially kill you. Their response; well that is what you get for rushing us, paraphrased of course. Rushing them to delay..?

Now they are asking for money to try again a second time? Either they learned how to not fuck a company up by pretending to be a company with our funds and they are going to be able to do it. Or it is really a scam. Does it even matter? The chip scene is very competitive and there are people, BITMAINTECH, who recognized you can make loads more money by delivering than you can scamming.

Scam thirsty my friends.

So no, i have no doubts in my mind that they scrypt asic is a scam as well.

5craziest

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Quote from: DebitMe on September 03, 2014, 09:49:18 AM

Someone please post this on ecointalk as well...

HAHA BA, your scrypt chip is already obsolete!
https://www.bitmaintech.com/productDetail.htm?pid=00020140830074550960Um75pnzg06E3
3 watts at the wall same as yours, and $5 a MH! They beat you before you even taped out! Bitmain to the moon yet again while BA is left to wallow in their own cesspool of shit.

EDIT: And able to mine n-10, n-11, and n-12 lol BA your dead in the water

Do you really think they ever intended to produce a Scrypt miner? I always figured it was pie in the sky

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Quote from: LoneStar43 on September 02, 2014, 11:15:31 AM

Just a fyi. I just received a tracking number for my 3 X1's from Minersource. Order and paid date - 2013-12-13

How does it make you feel that I paid 12/25/13 and got my X1's a couple weeks ago? Psh, shipping order my ass.

alfabitcoin

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Cendav posted image.

http://imgur.com/8Oq1KWJ

Notice "ok" written on the board. Ok my ass!

eXOBeX

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Quote from: notbatman on September 03, 2014, 03:06:44 AM

Quoted from "My X3 caught fire!!" on eCoin Talk.

Q: "Also, BA. Could you please have someone quote me to host this equipment in china?" -- cendav

A: "Hosting in China is difficult: the Chinese firewall cuts us off from the pool and the power is expensive" -- blackarrow

So hosted miners and rent-a-minion was just a lie then?

I'm guessing rent-a-minion customers will be sent BTC from the coins BA took from them as payment based on calculations of what X Gh/s would currently make on a pool.

Hey Captain, has anybody mentioned that your a filthy scumbag?

I imagine they're less inclined to host themselves now they know they're a legitimate threat to life (rather than just wallet & sanity) with the new improved self-combustion feature...

Essential kit for any BA mining rack: http://www.rackmountfireprotection.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=51

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Quote from: sirsmokesalot on September 02, 2014, 04:01:43 PM

It is a good thing there is no known issue with the x1s, right? Because the issue is with the x-3. Chevy has an issue with luminas, doesn't mean all chevy cars are screwed..?

Has anyone who got the X-1's inspected them for bloating caps yet probably not seeing how there should of been no reason too.

There are a few solid caps in the X1 itself, plus conventional (i.e. not solid) electrolytics in the X1 PSU that look to be half decent. There's a video here that shows what's inside. X1 caps visible at 23:49, X1 PSU caps at 28:47.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtxVxqPmN7k

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Quote from: Lexx2k on September 02, 2014, 09:43:30 PM

Quote from: SimonBeCoinin on September 02, 2014, 03:56:46 PM

Quote from: y_boonstra on September 02, 2014, 02:56:22 PM

Quote from: alfabitcoin on September 02, 2014, 01:36:25 PM

Another excuse, BA how lame!!

ugabuga, on 02 Sept 2014 - 6:44 PM, said:

I'm confused .... after all the "stuff that did not explode" after all, explodes Huh

?

can someone explain?

.............................

On the hashboard there are no electrolytic capacitors. Everything is solid. They cannot explode with flame.

This 1500uF electrolytic capacitor ended on this board by mistake: We have added it while trying to debug the noise in the SPI and forgot to delete it from the BOM. By the time we got the backplanes they were already mounted. We did not think that it might be a problem and we were pushed by you (customer) to ship asap therefore we have not removed them. Removing them would have caused at least 1 day delay.

We also don't need the 470uF solid capacitors from the backplane.

That is ofcourse bullshit and they know it..
they have a huge problem on their hands cause the machine is CE certified. that means that if something happend house on fire, human electrocution and its caused by the BA miner they are responsible !!

Authorities would ask the TCD files of the miners. (Technicel Construction Dossier) if is not complete our the product did not pass certain test well you will loss your balls ....

it is absolutely bullshit.

so they had this cap that shouldn't have been on the BOM, but was.

and if they're not supposedly doing anything, why was there enough load on them to blow them and start a fire.

these guys are fucked. these caps are likely indicative of another problem. just putting bigger/different caps in the system doesn't solve the underlying issue of whatever caused these to fail.

are we supposed to believe that they over-rated every other part BUT the caps so we'll be fine as soon as they upgrade the caps?

BS. this is more likely a design flaw that goes well beyond the caps.

Feel free to provide better design if you are so proficient, with analysis and free time. Why don't you get one and fix the issue? I love the people that can discuss a lot of things throw crap and stuff but cannot even make their home PC work.
Issue points only at one thing, that it has to be investigated beyond someone pointing a finger and saying "LOOK a problem!", it's like playing captain obvious.
Hope future of the technology does not depend on such people, that are able to make analysis and conclusions based on who knows what.

Good luck anyway.

LOL.

Iff you are working for BA, then you know nothing of the consequensess and laws surounding CE certification.

I am a electrical engineer and i also have to provide infromation regarding my disign woch includes calculations eg safty calculations / risk calculations etc etc.. so don't tell me what to do or how to do it, im mearly informing ppl their rights !!

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Hey, go easy guys, or you'll make all of BA's engineers cry again with your harsh criticism. Then the salt in their tears will degrade the boards they ship, decreasing their performance or possibly even making them explode even more.

And it will be all our fault for making them cry.

All. Our. Fault.

heslo

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Quote from: alfabitcoin on September 02, 2014, 01:36:25 PM

Another excuse, BA how lame!!

ugabuga, on 02 Sept 2014 - 6:44 PM, said:

I'm confused .... after all the "stuff that did not explode" after all, explodes Huh

?

can someone explain?

.............................

On the hashboard there are no electrolytic capacitors. Everything is solid. They cannot explode with flame.

This 1500uF electrolytic capacitor ended on this board by mistake: We have added it while trying to debug the noise in the SPI and forgot to delete it from the BOM. By the time we got the backplanes they were already mounted. We did not think that it might be a problem and we were pushed by you (customer) to ship asap therefore we have not removed them. Removing them would have caused at least 1 day delay.

We also don't need the 470uF solid capacitors from the backplane.

Hahaha dickheads. It's the customers fault, yep, gotcha!

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Quote from: Lexx2k on September 02, 2014, 09:43:30 PM

Quote from: SimonBeCoinin on September 02, 2014, 03:56:46 PM

Quote from: y_boonstra on September 02, 2014, 02:56:22 PM

Quote from: alfabitcoin on September 02, 2014, 01:36:25 PM

Another excuse, BA how lame!!

ugabuga, on 02 Sept 2014 - 6:44 PM, said:

I'm confused .... after all the "stuff that did not explode" after all, explodes Huh

?

can someone explain?

.............................

On the hashboard there are no electrolytic capacitors. Everything is solid. They cannot explode with flame.

This 1500uF electrolytic capacitor ended on this board by mistake: We have added it while trying to debug the noise in the SPI and forgot to delete it from the BOM. By the time we got the backplanes they were already mounted. We did not think that it might be a problem and we were pushed by you (customer) to ship asap therefore we have not removed them. Removing them would have caused at least 1 day delay.

We also don't need the 470uF solid capacitors from the backplane.

That is ofcourse bullshit and they know it..
they have a huge problem on their hands cause the machine is CE certified. that means that if something happend house on fire, human electrocution and its caused by the BA miner they are responsible !!

Authorities would ask the TCD files of the miners. (Technicel Construction Dossier) if is not complete our the product did not pass certain test well you will loss your balls ....

it is absolutely bullshit.

so they had this cap that shouldn't have been on the BOM, but was.

and if they're not supposedly doing anything, why was there enough load on them to blow them and start a fire.

these guys are fucked. these caps are likely indicative of another problem. just putting bigger/different caps in the system doesn't solve the underlying issue of whatever caused these to fail.

are we supposed to believe that they over-rated every other part BUT the caps so we'll be fine as soon as they upgrade the caps?

BS. this is more likely a design flaw that goes well beyond the caps.

Feel free to provide better design if you are so proficient, with analysis and free time. Why don't you get one and fix the issue? I love the people that can discuss a lot of things throw crap and stuff but cannot even make their home PC work.
Issue points only at one thing, that it has to be investigated beyond someone pointing a finger and saying "LOOK a problem!", it's like playing captain obvious.
Hope future of the technology does not depend on such people, that are able to make analysis and conclusions based on who knows what.

Good luck anyway.

@Lexx2k
Why would simonbecoinin fix and provide better design? Its not his job, its yours at BA. Take responsibillity once and stop with making lame excuses.

P.s.
And he did not concluded anything, he think its most likely design flaw.

Edit
Reading trough your previous post I concluded you work for BA. Are you? Andbyou forgot to remove the caps from the BOM because you were pressed by customers. So again, its not BA fault, its ours - customers.

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Quote from: SimonBeCoinin on September 02, 2014, 03:56:46 PM

Quote from: y_boonstra on September 02, 2014, 02:56:22 PM

Quote from: alfabitcoin on September 02, 2014, 01:36:25 PM

Another excuse, BA how lame!!

ugabuga, on 02 Sept 2014 - 6:44 PM, said:

I'm confused .... after all the "stuff that did not explode" after all, explodes Huh

?

can someone explain?

.............................

On the hashboard there are no electrolytic capacitors. Everything is solid. They cannot explode with flame.

This 1500uF electrolytic capacitor ended on this board by mistake: We have added it while trying to debug the noise in the SPI and forgot to delete it from the BOM. By the time we got the backplanes they were already mounted. We did not think that it might be a problem and we were pushed by you (customer) to ship asap therefore we have not removed them. Removing them would have caused at least 1 day delay.

We also don't need the 470uF solid capacitors from the backplane.

That is ofcourse bullshit and they know it..
they have a huge problem on their hands cause the machine is CE certified. that means that if something happend house on fire, human electrocution and its caused by the BA miner they are responsible !!

Authorities would ask the TCD files of the miners. (Technicel Construction Dossier) if is not complete our the product did not pass certain test well you will loss your balls ....

it is absolutely bullshit.

so they had this cap that shouldn't have been on the BOM, but was.

and if they're not supposedly doing anything, why was there enough load on them to blow them and start a fire.

these guys are fucked. these caps are likely indicative of another problem. just putting bigger/different caps in the system doesn't solve the underlying issue of whatever caused these to fail.

are we supposed to believe that they over-rated every other part BUT the caps so we'll be fine as soon as they upgrade the caps?

BS. this is more likely a design flaw that goes well beyond the caps.

Feel free to provide better design if you are so proficient, with analysis and free time. Why don't you get one and fix the issue? I love the people that can discuss a lot of things throw crap and stuff but cannot even make their home PC work.
Issue points only at one thing, that it has to be investigated beyond someone pointing a finger and saying "LOOK a problem!", it's like playing captain obvious.
Hope future of the technology does not depend on such people, that are able to make analysis and conclusions based on who knows what.

Good luck anyway.

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Quote from: sirsmokesalot on September 02, 2014, 05:42:42 PM

I can't get the stupid lcds to display the stats but meh.

Access the miners tru the lcds using Chrome & miners network IP not the default local one

//moved miner to a blowupandburn safe spot -_-

Unacceptable

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Quote from: DebitMe on September 02, 2014, 01:29:51 PM

It's the Bitfury Boards all over again. Anyone else having major deja vu?

Here's how it will play out based on the past, they will identify the problem, which is something they did wrong. They will find someone who can fix it in your home country, all you have to do is pay to send it to them and back. And the missed mining time, well you have been waiting thing long haven't ya? Whats a few more weeks gonna do?

You are no longer shipping X3's?? Said as if you were actually shipping them to begin with. Oh no, the 2 X3's that were supposed to go out today won't make it out the door, looks like another month or two back in our data center for "stress testing".

& the Drillbit fiasco Roll Eyes

Amazing..........it appears BFL wasn't the only one to not "learn" from their past "endeavors" Shocked

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Quote from: Ren13B on September 02, 2014, 04:19:02 PM

There seems to be no or very little interest on ebay for X1's. If I'm lucky I could sell my one fully working unit for about $100 but my other unit throws a ton off errors and I can barely average 75gh/s out of it. The dodgy unit didn't even work when I got it but I was able to get it hashing after pulling it apart and reseating the cables and hash board. Bottom line is these things are junk and I don't feel comfortable selling them.

Quote from: sirsmokesalot on September 02, 2014, 03:02:20 PM

Why can't you ebay them? Mine showed up, ima use em until they are sold. I really came to terms about losing this money a few months ago so now i figure even if i can get SOMETHING for them it is still better than nothing.

If your rating is 100% like mine I wouldn't want it ruined by selling BA's shit to a buyer and like you said i've been watching the pricing your correct on the $100 which may seem like something vs nothing to some but with all the risk you take now with hazards involved and your rating being harmed that $100 looks a lot like nothing to me .

Not cray concerned about my rating really, i hate to give ba any credit at all but so far my x1s have been okay. I can't get the stupid lcds to display the stats but meh. The lcd would have been cool if they came out in feb, coming out as late as they did, the lcd is like a bad joke more than anything when you think ANY time spent was devoted to that but yeah. So far they have worked as advertised. Pulled down my listings, i did have 6 watchers on them, which is a bit compared to my past ebay history with items that have sold. I felt pretty confident i coulda sold them but i would lose sleep if i sold someone something that killed them. Fuckin conscience

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There seems to be no or very little interest on ebay for X1's. If I'm lucky I could sell my one fully working unit for about $100 but my other unit throws a ton off errors and I can barely average 75gh/s out of it. The dodgy unit didn't even work when I got it but I was able to get it hashing after pulling it apart and reseating the cables and hash board. Bottom line is these things are junk and I don't feel comfortable selling them.

Quote from: sirsmokesalot on September 02, 2014, 03:02:20 PM

Why can't you ebay them? Mine showed up, ima use em until they are sold. I really came to terms about losing this money a few months ago so now i figure even if i can get SOMETHING for them it is still better than nothing.

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It is a good thing there is no known issue with the x1s, right? Because the issue is with the x-3. Chevy has an issue with luminas, doesn't mean all chevy cars are screwed..? Waahh waaahhh it's a fire hazzard. Yeah yeah, one dude, although to be fair it is most likely the one dude with all the x3s ba has shipped.

It has crossed my mind, that the company was so inept they couldn't deliver the item until umpteen number of months after their initial delay, that how could they possibly build anything that isn't going to maim or kill someone.

So yeah, best interest of all parties to cut my losses, rehash a little pain and deal with the loss of money then. The dollar i might make a day is hardly worth the potential of harm to my self and i guess someone else. Roll Eyes

So to recap. Delays, refusals of refunds, the items that you mine with will most likely kill you. Survey says, Black arrow, you da shit Grin

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