Topic: Black Arrow R9-12 threads, DZ Miners Co-op. Plz move ?s and discussion here. - page 19. (Read 25184 times)

Well, my offer to try and help try and get a particularly problematic stack working still stands, I have plenty of spare hardware and even a good Hakko soldering station though if the problem is really all the boards then I guess black arrow really has to address this.  Anyways, have fun in Hong Kong/China.  Make sure to eat some good dim sum or something.

Perhaps Black Arrow would consider extending the old pre-order discount price through the end of December for the Co-Op as a good will offer. If after a vote the decision is made to sell the hardware, the round participants could then have the option to get additional discounted R17 shares.

Thanks for being patient with this Bullet Run.

Another thing bobsag3 and crew had to deal with was: the flu!

He didn't mention this part but they had to deal with the flu on top of all the hardware failing.

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Oh BOY 

Whatever makes your life easier is what I am up for. If selling makes you guys sleep better by all means pull the trigger.

We haven't F'd you we made sweet sweet love....lol

I want to chime in here as I have what I would consider a fairly significant investment. In most GB's the GB coordinator(s) are not responsible for the hash rate against advertised hash rate. These boards have obviously been a challenge from the beginning. We knew were getting bleeding edge when this whole thing started. They (Black Arrow) are not shipping product until Feb 2014. I would think they would want our products to perform to avoid a bad rep and I can only assume they are trying as hard as they can.
I don't really care at this point what the majority vote turns out to be but I do want to say this..

These guys have done a unbelievable job with the coordination, setup and constant monitoring. I have been part of several so called investments and I have been fucked by 2/3 of them. In no case have I seen guys go this type of distance to make things "right".

Regardless how this turns out I want to thank you guys for making this as good as it could be. 
 

Its half a problem with the PIs (they seem to get lazy/tired /die) and the rate drops off slowly, and Ive had some problems with the last V1 controllers and I will be picking up ~20 more of them to help me pin down the problems. Its just a very very time consuming process... because what may work to fix one stack will not work on the others.

Black Arrow has alos offered to rework them into V2 boards (much much better stability), and we are working on a plan to ship in increments to downsize theamount of hashrate down.

Wow, I thought this new hashrate was with the Jupiter taken off because it looks like it had dropped even after the replacement batch of boards came in.  How did the hashrate go lower after the new batch of boards arrived?  I thought the hashrate had dropped because there was a switch over to only bitfury boards or something.  So the bitfury boards are only hashing at 2.3Thash then?  This is really disappointing especially given how much money bitcoins are worth now, is Black Arrow going to make this right or what?

I honestly think we need to try running the miners on something other than raspberry pi's to see if this can be salvaged or something, this is insane how unreliable they've been.  If you think that we can get the hashrate working properly someday then please keep trying but I think the problem here is that maybe we're stretched too thin on manpower to keep something as finicky as bitfuries hashing away properly.

I would like to ROI in BTC though so I'd prefer to keep mining if possible at the original promised hashrate.  What exactly is the problem with the problematic boards though?  Lots of us are pretty good with tech so maybe we can help out with the bum boards?

How can there still be so many bad boards even with 35 new boards in?

I vote to sell the r9 - to - r12

This is a difficult one for me as I am still starting out and was counting on these payouts coming in, but based on the $ return so far and the hardware resale price, I have to vote sell. It will probably all come back to the co-op anyway, or I can cash out and pay my oil bill
Bobsag3 has done a great job getting these going and keeping them running, but I am sure it has taken a lot more of his time then he will be compensated for. I don’t want to see the hosting fee increase because of hardware that is “high maintenance”.
It only makes good business sense to get out while you can and spend the time sourcing new gear that can run without a nanny.

+1 on the Kudos to DZ/bobsag3

Anyone care to start a petition?

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/

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Unless the IRS starts to accept BTC, then you can pay in BTC

As I have r5+r6   and r9-r10-r11-r12   I am very happy with dZcoop.  


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Theres plenty I can still do/try, its just time consuming and frustrating. That is my plan to go from now, unless we change or minds.

+1 on the Kudos to DZ/bobsag3

I would like to chime in here and first say Thank you! to the GB operators and especially to Bobsag3 for having the job of keeping this beast running, and to Thomas for dealing with payouts on all the GBs.

This might not have been what we all thought it was going to pan out to be in the beginning as far as hashrate goes goes but we have much to be thankful for.

1.) We were promised shipping of the gear on or before Nov 1. There was no promise of the beast hashing on Nov 1, But low and behold, We had Hashing on Nov1. Realistically we could have lost days to setting the gear up but Bobsag3 cranked it.

2.) The hashrate did not hold and we were compensated with I think 7 BTC to the payout by the DZ guys themselves. I dont know of anyone else that would do that.  They did not have to give us that 7 BTC.

3.) The last part is because of the BTC explosion. Depending on when you cash out your BTC from this GB as far USD goes you should be money ahead now.  I know I am very pleased with the outcome of this GB and am glad I got in on it.

Was it optimal. No, but as far as I can tell every effort possible was made by the DZ Group to make this right in every way they can and that speaks volumes to me about how much they want all their GBs to succeed.

If some are not happy about the hashrate please dont think this long ass post is trying to discount your concern. Your concern is valid and your voice counts.  I only wanted to post what I call the positive parts of this group buy.

Think of where we would be on this group buy if Bobsag3 did not give us the use of his jupiter..  What if he did not have a Jupiter to loan. Now that would suck.

Thanks Bobsag3!

I suppose we should leave this to DZ/bobsag3 but my vote is no. That's a terrible return on investment in BTC terms - and that's what these are: BTC generating machines. Do we basically have to deal with the flakiness or is there any potential for tweaking them to not be so flaky? Is the pi the issue? Would it be more reasonable to get a cheap netbook or something and throw ubuntu on it? I'd just like to understand the options as they currently are. Selling is one option and dealing with the flakiness is another option but what other options are there?

So about $180 USD a share?  Tempting.

72k* And there abouts yes. I will have to get more information on the offer etc, but it should still be good.