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sr. member
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February 03, 2016, 02:29:24 AM
Right now Bitcoin's price is rallying and block are full. According to blockchain.info backlog of unconfirmed transactions is 11.6 MB right now and as far as I know there is now spam or stress test going on. How worse does it need to get?
it seems not as you think,blocks are not full,many people comment like that,and now i just knowing that unconfirmed transactions is 11.6 MB,is not happen many times.
legendary
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Ιntergalactic Conciliator
February 02, 2016, 10:05:41 AM
all of them that say about to increase block size they want a situation like this.. Tongue

https://etherchain.org/blocks

where 90% of the blocks are empty
legendary
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February 02, 2016, 07:11:13 AM
tell that to antpool and other idiot pool operators:

block: 396256
transactions: 1
relayed by AntPool
size of the block: 0.2kb!!!
The actual number of blocks that are full would be reduced and so would the size of the mempool if they weren't doing this. The Bitcoin network can handle more at 1 MB blocks, but it is the miners fault.

A=> we don't need bigger blocks atm
B=> why should i wipe my ass 10 times, if 5 times is enough Roll Eyes & go back to A!

There seems to be an error in your declaration at line A!
hero member
Activity: 742
Merit: 500
February 02, 2016, 06:26:25 AM
tell that to antpool and other idiot pool operators:

block: 396256
transactions: 1
relayed by AntPool
size of the block: 0.2kb!!!
The actual number of blocks that are full would be reduced and so would the size of the mempool if they weren't doing this. The Bitcoin network can handle more at 1 MB blocks, but it is the miners fault.

A=> we don't need bigger blocks atm
B=> why should i wipe my ass 10 times, if 5 times is enough Roll Eyes & go back to A!
legendary
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Merit: 1070
February 02, 2016, 06:21:49 AM
but peopel tend to forget that bitcoin started with 32mb...

There have been no actual blocks created that are bigger than 1MB so it really doesn't matter what was coded back then (you are seemingly trying to imply that we used to have bigger blocks but the fact is that we did not).

no, i'm just implying that all the concern about bigger block, are a bit vaporware, because it's possible to have bigger block even now, without all the issues that everyone is talking about

for example there is no cpu or bandwidth issue, like many are advocating, https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Scalability and there are possible optimization to avoid other known issue...

is just unconvenient for somebody to increase it directly, that's it
legendary
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Terminated.
February 02, 2016, 04:28:56 AM
tell that to antpool and other idiot pool operators:

block: 396256
transactions: 1
relayed by AntPool
size of the block: 0.2kb!!!
The actual number of blocks that are full would be reduced and so would the size of the mempool if they weren't doing this. The Bitcoin network can handle more at 1 MB blocks, but it is the miners fault.

There have been no actual blocks created that are bigger than 1MB so it really doesn't matter what was coded back then (you are seemingly trying to imply that we used to have bigger blocks but the fact is that we did not).
This is correct. Such blocks are impossible right now. Also just ignore SebastianJu as he doesn't understand the second layer at all (and the connection to the first one) and refuses to do so. Discussing is pointless, it is better move on.
legendary
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February 02, 2016, 03:59:21 AM
I'm not aware of such errors. Can you give some examples?

One bug would have resulted in the block reward coming back (at 50 BTC per block) when it should have been zero (so the supply was not actually 21M).

He didn't even predict GPU mining (that seemed to take him completely by surprise and he basically asked people not to do it).

(and there are plenty of other things)


*lol* The GPU-Mining is actually pretty funny. I really did not anticipate such thing from him. Well he probably was surprised by the worth bitcoin reached and had not thought through the following effects.

The thing with the block reward sound like a software bug that might happen when coding. Well, it would have been enough time until that effect would have been triggered. Tongue
legendary
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Ian Knowles - CIYAM Lead Developer
February 02, 2016, 03:24:30 AM
but peopel tend to forget that bitcoin started with 32mb...

There have been no actual blocks created that are bigger than 1MB so it really doesn't matter what was coded back then (you are seemingly trying to imply that we used to have bigger blocks but the fact is that we did not).
legendary
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February 02, 2016, 03:20:58 AM
Increasing the blocksize to 8MB per block should decrease this problem. Wink

lol, it will certainly increase other problem, see the main concernt about capacity increase

i must admit that many of those problem are not real problem, they seems more a way to say that we don't want any capacity increase

but peopel tend to forget that bitcoin started with 32mb...
hero member
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February 02, 2016, 02:04:36 AM
tell that to antpool and other idiot pool operators:

block: 396256
transactions: 1
relayed by AntPool
size of the block: 0.2kb!!!
legendary
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Ian Knowles - CIYAM Lead Developer
February 02, 2016, 01:57:58 AM
I'm not aware of such errors. Can you give some examples?

One bug would have resulted in the block reward coming back (at 50 BTC per block) when it should have been zero (so the supply was not actually 21M).

He didn't even predict GPU mining (that seemed to take him completely by surprise and he basically asked people not to do it).

(and there are plenty of other things)
legendary
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February 02, 2016, 12:45:58 AM
To be honest, i would trust satoshies jugdement here clearly.

Satoshi made quite a few mistakes so hero worshiping of him is not really an answer to anything.


I'm not aware of such errors. Can you give some examples?

And it's no worshipping, more a kind of trust. And trust is everything with cryptocoins. For example to trust which chain wins. Cheesy
legendary
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Ian Knowles - CIYAM Lead Developer
February 02, 2016, 12:35:14 AM
To be honest, i would trust satoshies jugdement here clearly.

Satoshi made quite a few mistakes so hero worshiping of him is not really an answer to anything.
legendary
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February 02, 2016, 12:31:42 AM
I use credit cards to buy things online like 99.99% of the rest of the developed world (maybe you should do that to).

Which would be no fix for bitcoin but instead NOT USING bitcoin, like a couple of "solutions" discussed nowadays.

If people want to keep on insisting that Bitcoin should do the impossible (and then whine when it doesn't) then that really isn't my fault is it.


Don't fear that, no one will claim you are at fault then. Wink You can always say "Told you so." Provable. Cheesy

Well, when i think about it, satoshi must have had a brainfart when he really thought bitcoin will receive a worldwide adoption so far that the additional fees from the higher amount of fees will make up for the block halving over time.

I wonder if he really was that stupid. Implemented a temporary spam protection but still believed in an amount of worldwide transactions that should make it clear that he never thought of that setting as a permanent thing.

To be honest, i would trust satoshies jugdement here clearly. He is the brain behind and the things going on with blockstream look suspect to me. I mean it even contains the risk that instead going away from the banking system we will create a new banking system, shutting out normal users from bitcoin itself.

Well, this looks so very much against what satoshi wanted but i guess it's not seeable for a lot of people.
legendary
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February 02, 2016, 12:24:44 AM
Do you guys have a guess on the behavior of bitcoin price after the hard fork?

Depends on which bitcoins you mean. Might be that one bitcoin exists one one address on one chain but the same bitcoin lies on another address on the other chain. Then which bitcoin is the real one being worth $400?

I think to be sure i would have to see if i can only receive coins that are the same on both chains. Then it wouldn't matter to you when one chain loses and your coins are on this chain.

At the end it's not so easy to bet on which chain will win. That is why normally a threshold is implemented. Only when a big amount of nodes switch to the new behaviour then the fork happens. Which pretty much ensures that this new chain will win because it is unlikely that supporters drop the support then suddenly.
newbie
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February 02, 2016, 12:20:02 AM
Increasing the blocksize to 8MB per block should decrease this problem. Wink
legendary
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Ian Knowles - CIYAM Lead Developer
February 02, 2016, 12:17:31 AM
I use credit cards to buy things online like 99.99% of the rest of the developed world (maybe you should do that to).

Which would be no fix for bitcoin but instead NOT USING bitcoin, like a couple of "solutions" discussed nowadays.

If people want to keep on insisting that Bitcoin should do the impossible (and then whine when it doesn't) then that really isn't my fault is it.
legendary
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February 02, 2016, 12:15:31 AM
I use credit cards to buy things online like 99.99% of the rest of the developed world (maybe you should do that to).

Which would be no fix for bitcoin but instead NOT USING bitcoin, like a couple of "solutions" discussed nowadays.

Which bitcoiner in their right mind would have though some years ago that there really would be bitcoiners in 2016 that would suggest using credit cards instead bitcoin. Well, that is too crazy to invent it at that time. Cheesy
legendary
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February 02, 2016, 12:11:59 AM
there should be no "exactly as it should" dropped transactions.

a transaction that is left unconfirmed for x amount of time.. 1 hours or so max.. should be auto confirmed..

this is a FLAW. this will keep bitcoin from being accepted in ANY business type setting..

I see - well how about you provide the "fix" then genius and show us all how much smarter than Satoshi you are. Cheesy

(am guessing you must have bought your account to be so ignorant about Bitcoin yet supposedly a Hero Member)

You've earned a "heroic facepalm" (I'll let someone else provide the image).

He will not have a solution but this is a serious problem. Who will use a transaction system where you have to guess if your transaction will go through or not? It would be unreliable. And this will only become worse the more transaction want to get into the blocks. Everyone will pay more and more to get included and so you never can be sure that you did not have a too low fee because others thought they would need to pay even more than you.

An unreliable currency is surely not good for adoption.
legendary
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Ian Knowles - CIYAM Lead Developer
January 31, 2016, 02:37:19 PM
I would like to the freedom to transact on the main chain whenever I want. I do not want to pay very high fee to send bitcoin on the main chain.

And I would like the freedom to travel in time with a time machine - but oops - you can't do that - why don't you wake up and realise that you can't use Bitcoin for zero fees as well?
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