Blowing the lid off the CryptoNote/Bytecoin scam (with the exception of Monero) - page 23.

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Quote from: chisefu on September 01, 2014, 05:04:51 AM

tldr

Wow, such insight. Thank you for that valuable contribution to this discussion.

There is actually a tl;dr in the OP btw:

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tl;dr - CryptoNote developers faked dates in whitepapers. Bytecoin faked dates in fake blockchain to facilitate an 82% premine, and CryptoNote backed them up. Bytecoin, Fantomcoin, Quazarcoin, Monetaverde, Dashcoin are all from the same people and should be avoided like the fucking black plague. duckNote and Boolberry are probably from them as well, or are at least just fucking dodgy, and who the fuck cares anyway. Monero would have been fucking dodgy, but the community saved it. Make your own mind up about shit and demand that known people are involved and that there is fucking transparency. End transmission.

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Quote from: ProGamer on August 25, 2014, 11:27:22 PM

Trust no one ever: https://firstlook.org/theintercept/document/2014/02/24/art-deception-training-new-generation-online-covert-operations/

this... is why i am digging deep as possible into this tech. thanks for that, i missed it, there are so many of them thanks to ES.

Edit - jesus, that's creepy as hell... yikes.... Sad

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Quote from: catcow on August 29, 2014, 02:29:21 AM

This blog post by an early XMR miner reveals some more information about how the Bytecoin miner was crippled: http://da-data.blogspot.com/2014/08/minting-money-with-monero-and-cpu.html

XMR devs did an amazing job un-fucking the BCN crippled miners, all points to besides the 82% premine the BCN devs had access to fasters miners and deployed slow ones to the general public on purpose, thank you XMR for saving Cyptonote.

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Hey does anyone here have a copy of the whitepaper from van saberhagen that both just disappeared (yesterday??)

thanks!

edit - got em via wayback, sorry! Sad

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This blog post by an early XMR miner reveals some more information about how the Bytecoin miner was crippled: http://da-data.blogspot.com/2014/08/minting-money-with-monero-and-cpu.html

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Quote from: henryjames1003 on August 27, 2014, 06:56:45 AM

to OP's thread:

I want to become a Padawan one of these guys (CN/BCN/Masson team). But there are no Jedi around me. Like there is no conspiracy in CN and Butecoin. You research looks really strange.

Is it trivial envy or Monero PR?

I suggest you hang around Endor a little while longer 'til this settles down.

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to OP's thread:

I want to become a Padawan one of these guys (CN/BCN/Masson team). But there are no Jedi around me. Like there is no conspiracy in CN and Butecoin. You research looks really strange.

Is it trivial envy or Monero PR?

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Quote from: cAPSLOCK on August 26, 2014, 03:48:16 PM

Quote from: dewdeded on August 26, 2014, 12:57:46 PM

I think it's also noteworthy (as in interesting/strange) that the author and signer of the CN whitepaper Nicolas van Saberhagen isn't part of the official CN team. As it consits of: Johannes Meier (Chief
cryptographer), Maurice Planck (Cryptographer), Max Jameson (Math expert), Brandon
Hawking (Economist), Catherine Erwin (Communications manager), Albert Werner (Core developer) and Marec Plíškov (Developer).
I can't come up with a solid reason, how that makes sense. (If Saberhagen is a group pseudonym, why not sign "Team CryptoNote" as author?)

Also https://cryptonote.org/whitepaper.pdf is gone and no giving HTTP Error 404.

That list of names has always reminded me of Lost.

Locke, Rousseau, Faraday, etc. Lost universe is full of philosophers and scientists.

Planck, Hawking, Wener (Heisenberg), Erwin (Schrodinger). All theoretical physicists.

And this is just off the top of my head perhaps there are others too...

I've always assumed this was noticed by others... maybe even in the OP?

Yeah, I did some searching around for the names the other day because of this very fact. An interesting set, mostly German/Austrian.

https://www.google.com/search?&q=list+of+physicists+site%3Awikipedia.org+Johannes+Planck+Max+Hawking+Erwin+Albert+Werner

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Quote from: dewdeded on August 26, 2014, 04:17:06 PM

Obvious also: Albert Einstein.

Don't you see? Their group hails from the "scientific community" as you have been told. You thought those science guys were dead, but in fact they were reincarnated by the aliens to collaborate with Satoshi Nakamoto and Cornel West on the creation of Bytecoin. It would take genius(es) of that magnitude to create such an amazing ~~coin~~ con.

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Obvious also: Albert Einstein.

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Quote from: cAPSLOCK on August 26, 2014, 03:48:16 PM

Quote from: dewdeded on August 26, 2014, 12:57:46 PM

I think it's also noteworthy (as in interesting/strange) that the author and signer of the CN whitepaper Nicolas van Saberhagen isn't part of the official CN team. As it consits of: Johannes Meier (Chief
cryptographer), Maurice Planck (Cryptographer), Max Jameson (Math expert), Brandon
Hawking (Economist), Catherine Erwin (Communications manager), Albert Werner (Core developer) and Marec Plíškov (Developer).
I can't come up with a solid reason, how that makes sense. (If Saberhagen is a group pseudonym, why not sign "Team CryptoNote" as author?)

Also https://cryptonote.org/whitepaper.pdf is gone and no giving HTTP Error 404.

That list of names has always reminded me of Lost.

Locke, Rousseau, Faraday, etc. Lost universe is full of philosophers and scientists.

Planck, Hawking, Wener (Heisenberg), Erwin (Schrodinger). All theoretical physicists.

And this is just off the top of my head perhaps there are others too...

I've always assumed this was noticed by others... maybe even in the OP?

LOL! how couldnt i see that!

Johannes Kepler, Nicolaus Copernicus maybe...

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Quote from: dewdeded on August 26, 2014, 12:57:46 PM

I think it's also noteworthy (as in interesting/strange) that the author and signer of the CN whitepaper Nicolas van Saberhagen isn't part of the official CN team. As it consits of: Johannes Meier (Chief
cryptographer), Maurice Planck (Cryptographer), Max Jameson (Math expert), Brandon
Hawking (Economist), Catherine Erwin (Communications manager), Albert Werner (Core developer) and Marec Plíškov (Developer).
I can't come up with a solid reason, how that makes sense. (If Saberhagen is a group pseudonym, why not sign "Team CryptoNote" as author?)

Also https://cryptonote.org/whitepaper.pdf is gone and no giving HTTP Error 404.

That list of names has always reminded me of Lost.

Locke, Rousseau, Faraday, etc. Lost universe is full of philosophers and scientists.

Planck, Hawking, Wener (Heisenberg), Erwin (Schrodinger). All theoretical physicists.

And this is just off the top of my head perhaps there are others too...

I've always assumed this was noticed by others... maybe even in the OP?

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Gresham's Lawyer

This is all actually sort of cool from another perspective. It makes a good story.

Nefarious origin, but good technology.

It calls to mind the reuse of Dr. X's Aircraft Carriers in Diamond Age. That massive instrument of death and destruction crafted from the taxes extorted from the productive and then abandoned, finally carrying and supporting the vast population of orphaned Chinese girls that proceed to transform society.

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I think it's also noteworthy (as in interesting/strange) that the author and signer of the CN whitepaper Nicolas van Saberhagen isn't part of the official CN team. As it consits of: Johannes Meier (Chief
cryptographer), Maurice Planck (Cryptographer), Max Jameson (Math expert), Brandon
Hawking (Economist), Catherine Erwin (Communications manager), Albert Werner (Core developer) and Marec Plíškov (Developer).
I can't come up with a solid reason, how that makes sense. (If Saberhagen is a group pseudonym, why not sign "Team CryptoNote" as author?)

Also https://cryptonote.org/whitepaper.pdf is gone and no giving HTTP Error 404.

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Trust no one ever: https://firstlook.org/theintercept/document/2014/02/24/art-deception-training-new-generation-online-covert-operations/

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Probably a good variation of Betteridge's law of headlines would be that the bigger type is used and the brighter the color the more likely a statement is to be a lie.

Quote from: Este Nuno on August 25, 2014, 04:43:49 PM

Quote from: othe on August 25, 2014, 12:40:46 PM

Quote from: Denni on August 22, 2014, 06:53:05 AM

Rethink-Your-Strategy Whitepaper is confirmed to be fake

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/denni-223998

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Date Registered: January 20, 2014, 08:35:18 AM

Shocker... Roll Eyes

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Quote from: othe on August 25, 2014, 12:40:46 PM

Quote from: Denni on August 22, 2014, 06:53:05 AM

Rethink-Your-Strategy Whitepaper is confirmed to be fake

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/denni-223998

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Date Registered: January 20, 2014, 08:35:18 AM

Shocker... Roll Eyes

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Quote from: J1mb0 on August 25, 2014, 12:38:22 PM

Quote from: dewdeded on August 25, 2014, 12:08:14 PM

Quote from: Este Nuno on August 15, 2014, 12:51:39 PM

It's amazing they were able to create the technology and manage to fail so hard at their scam attempt.

I'd suspect one or more people behind CN fall within the autistic spectrum. The clear disconnect from how others would receive their attempts yet still being able to produce novel tech shows a clear imbalance in their mental faculties.

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I see we are back to the smug and arrogant mutual back-slapping in Monero XMR world. Are you all bored rich little frat boys?

I have nothing to do with Monero. I just respect the CN technology.

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