No, we just hate scammers like you.
Yes, we hate monero scammers!
Topic: Blowing the lid off the CryptoNote/Bytecoin scam (with the exception of Monero) - page 24. (Read 132873 times)
August 25, 2014, 01:38:21 PM
Yes, we hate monero scammers!
August 25, 2014, 12:40:46 PM
No, we just hate scammers like you.
August 25, 2014, 12:38:22 PM
It's amazing they were able to create the technology and manage to fail so hard at their scam attempt.
I'd suspect one or more people behind CN fall within the autistic spectrum. The clear disconnect from how others would receive their attempts yet still being able to produce novel tech shows a clear imbalance in their mental faculties.
+1000I'd suspect one or more people behind CN fall within the autistic spectrum. The clear disconnect from how others would receive their attempts yet still being able to produce novel tech shows a clear imbalance in their mental faculties.
I see we are back to the smug and arrogant mutual back-slapping in Monero XMR world. Are you all bored rich little frat boys?
August 25, 2014, 12:08:14 PM
It's amazing they were able to create the technology and manage to fail so hard at their scam attempt.
I'd suspect one or more people behind CN fall within the autistic spectrum. The clear disconnect from how others would receive their attempts yet still being able to produce novel tech shows a clear imbalance in their mental faculties.
+1000 I'd suspect one or more people behind CN fall within the autistic spectrum. The clear disconnect from how others would receive their attempts yet still being able to produce novel tech shows a clear imbalance in their mental faculties.
August 24, 2014, 03:16:19 AM
interesting thread: https://forum.cryptonote.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=21
It seems likely that at least one member of the original CN group split off and started the Bytecoin scam. Likely someone on the autistic spectrum with some loose morals and a superiority complex. And the other member(s) of CN essentially are tied in to corroborating the Bytecoin story at this point since they originally defended it.
We'll probably never know the truth since there is too much to lose for anyone connected to this mess. There are probably some good people involved that never wanted any of this to happen.
August 23, 2014, 06:51:10 PM
Monero is currently under attack with a spam attack, while no other CN coin seems to be. The attacker is spamming tx with random, large mixins (initially only mixin 101 was used, until I called them out on it in the official thread).
Example tx mempool:
https://minergate.com/blockchain/mro/transpool
Compare to:
https://minergate.com/blockchain/fcn/transpool
https://minergate.com/blockchain/bcn/transpool
https://minergate.com/blockchain/qcn/transpool
https://minergate.com/blockchain/duck/transpool
https://minergate.com/blockchain/mcn/transpool
https://minergate.com/blockchain/aeon/transpool
https://minergate.com/blockchain/bbr/transpool
This is an act of aggression on someone's part.
Example tx mempool:
Code:
Timestamp (UTC) Hash Total Amount (XMR) Fee (XMR) Mixin count Size (bytes)
2014-08-23 18:25:15 (55 seconds ago) f38dbb7c635a6c31472d5a63ca79f16358aa39bd1ce7a02d02aad8407aadd161 1.240000000000 0.010000000000 1 939
....
Compare to:
https://minergate.com/blockchain/fcn/transpool
https://minergate.com/blockchain/bcn/transpool
https://minergate.com/blockchain/qcn/transpool
https://minergate.com/blockchain/duck/transpool
https://minergate.com/blockchain/mcn/transpool
https://minergate.com/blockchain/aeon/transpool
https://minergate.com/blockchain/bbr/transpool
This is an act of aggression on someone's part.
same thing literary happened with doge, history is repeating itself, they did the same kind of attack because the tx fees were too low, the fix has use a higher tx fees, this is to prove monero is here to win big time against all other CN coins, and unlike doge its unique and deflationary enough to keep going up, whoever is doing this, I have my suspicions but I cant prove so imo you should act fast implementing tx fees for high mixins so the attackers runs out of his xmr. this was bound to happen, if there is any way to attack a crypto it will be done because the cowards can.
Its not bad to attack a coin. It strengthens it. Its a good thing actually. I wonder what will happen if other coins get attacked this way especially if there are like 100 times cheaper...
August 23, 2014, 06:00:15 PM
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Some will probably get processed by non-updated mining nodes. If there are too many and they don't get confirmed within 24 hours they will get dropped and need to be resent.
Some will probably get processed by non-updated mining nodes. If there are too many and they don't get confirmed within 24 hours they will get dropped and need to be resent.
Thank you
August 23, 2014, 05:36:50 PM
Monero is currently under attack with a spam attack, while no other CN coin seems to be. The attacker is spamming tx with random, large mixins (initially only mixin 101 was used, until I called them out on it in the official thread).
And what is the problem with these txs?
Are they invalid? Does it take too much effort to decide their validity?
If so, couldn't you require that all tx come with a small and instantly verifiable proof-of-work,
whose difficulty scales with tx validity checking effort?
They are perfectly legitimate, perfectly valid transactions. But because we have an unusually low transaction fee the attacker is spamming the blockchain with dumb tx's. The solution is to bump the fee temporarily (in github, mandatory update, new binaries on the way), and to prioritise per-kb tx fees, which were previously on a 2-4 week start date.
What then happens to unconfirmed transactions when the upgrade occurs?
Some will probably get processed by non-updated mining nodes. If there are too many and they don't get confirmed within 24 hours they will get dropped and need to be resent.
August 23, 2014, 05:35:32 PM
Monero is currently under attack with a spam attack, while no other CN coin seems to be. The attacker is spamming tx with random, large mixins (initially only mixin 101 was used, until I called them out on it in the official thread).
And what is the problem with these txs?
Are they invalid? Does it take too much effort to decide their validity?
If so, couldn't you require that all tx come with a small and instantly verifiable proof-of-work,
whose difficulty scales with tx validity checking effort?
They are perfectly legitimate, perfectly valid transactions. But because we have an unusually low transaction fee the attacker is spamming the blockchain with dumb tx's. The solution is to bump the fee temporarily (in github, mandatory update, new binaries on the way), and to prioritise per-kb tx fees, which were previously on a 2-4 week start date.
What then happens to unconfirmed transactions when the upgrade occurs?
August 23, 2014, 04:39:02 PM
Monero is currently under attack with a spam attack, while no other CN coin seems to be. The attacker is spamming tx with random, large mixins (initially only mixin 101 was used, until I called them out on it in the official thread).
And what is the problem with these txs?
Are they invalid? Does it take too much effort to decide their validity?
If so, couldn't you require that all tx come with a small and instantly verifiable proof-of-work,
whose difficulty scales with tx validity checking effort?
They are perfectly legitimate, perfectly valid transactions. But because we have an unusually low transaction fee the attacker is spamming the blockchain with dumb tx's. The solution is to bump the fee temporarily (in github, mandatory update, new binaries on the way), and to prioritise per-kb tx fees, which were previously on a 2-4 week start date.
August 23, 2014, 04:36:09 PM
Monero is currently under attack with a spam attack, while no other CN coin seems to be. The attacker is spamming tx with random, large mixins (initially only mixin 101 was used, until I called them out on it in the official thread).
And what is the problem with these txs?
Are they invalid? Does it take too much effort to decide their validity?
If so, couldn't you require that all tx come with a small and instantly verifiable proof-of-work,
whose difficulty scales with tx validity checking effort?
August 23, 2014, 01:51:10 PM
Can't we cap the mixins to reduce tx size? Help me understand how mixins should be controlled.
Yeah, you can scan the signature lengths and determine the size of mixins, but they can still spam with lower mixins by just making lots of outs. A more suitable solution is in the works.
August 23, 2014, 01:44:26 PM
Can't we cap the mixins to reduce tx size? Help me understand how mixins should be controlled.
August 23, 2014, 01:36:39 PM
Tacotime noted it some time ago, but noted that he "hadn't looked in to it extensively."
We should ideally zero out the 32 bytes so no one can execute these commands, I think. Any user is welcome to do that for themselves, but I haven't stuck it into master yet.
It looks like the debug commands can be disabled by not defining ALLOW_DEBUG_COMMANDS.
August 23, 2014, 01:32:35 PM
Tacotime noted it some time ago, but noted that he "hadn't looked in to it extensively."
We should ideally zero out the 32 bytes so no one can execute these commands, I think. Any user is welcome to do that for themselves, but I haven't stuck it into master yet.
August 23, 2014, 01:24:49 PM
Monero is currently under attack with a spam attack, while no other CN coin seems to be. The attacker is spamming tx with random, large mixins (initially only mixin 101 was used, until I called them out on it in the official thread).
Example tx mempool:
https://minergate.com/blockchain/mro/transpool
Compare to:
https://minergate.com/blockchain/fcn/transpool
https://minergate.com/blockchain/bcn/transpool
https://minergate.com/blockchain/qcn/transpool
https://minergate.com/blockchain/duck/transpool
https://minergate.com/blockchain/mcn/transpool
https://minergate.com/blockchain/aeon/transpool
https://minergate.com/blockchain/bbr/transpool
This is an act of aggression on someone's part.
Example tx mempool:
Code:
Timestamp (UTC) Hash Total Amount (XMR) Fee (XMR) Mixin count Size (bytes)
2014-08-23 18:25:15 (55 seconds ago) f38dbb7c635a6c31472d5a63ca79f16358aa39bd1ce7a02d02aad8407aadd161 1.240000000000 0.010000000000 1 939
2014-08-23 18:23:14 (3 minutes ago) 29251489dafd3670574f3fcc38c5015243903d5c0c8e55534f67b55aa26ca232 1.990000000000 0.010000000000 41 2975
2014-08-23 18:23:09 (3 minutes ago) eb6b8ff818b4a5c602309fe5ecbcea3fe8bca5e497bd6744bb8410208febaa32 10.000431520000 0.006568480000 2 693
2014-08-23 18:19:49 (6 minutes ago) a9b2bc5e608da5b9b01b44678533825405d056f5e06c70385c69e23df9047ab3 1.980000000000 0.010000000000 41 8470
2014-08-23 18:19:44 (6 minutes ago) 2a93cfa1b43f8c18b7a7b919a91038acfb4508f28d4bd43880e35ac4877767a5 2.390000000000 0.010000000000 41 11253
2014-08-23 18:19:43 (6 minutes ago) e63a6b830ce3b62cd1e47f6474b2953361bbe2667157d7eb6d7396a2e7db5012 1.990000000000 0.010000000000 41 5723
2014-08-23 18:19:42 (6 minutes ago) 6f43cc56b6ec19e02d67a967384ac890c819035f62e3a51b46f2c5659b6dabc1 1.990000000000 0.010000000000 41 5728
2014-08-23 18:19:40 (7 minutes ago) 79a3e2559b9b53e7289b2bfce6b874b2ce3d663b0a3fa038e23d0a94bd668c99 1.890000000000 0.010000000000 41 5725
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2014-08-23 18:15:07 (11 minutes ago) e64a1fddec5ee27a2a8663355984bc1c84c57beee050b7e9f4e636bd34cc2163 0.920000000000 0.010000000000 1 1220
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Compare to:
https://minergate.com/blockchain/fcn/transpool
https://minergate.com/blockchain/bcn/transpool
https://minergate.com/blockchain/qcn/transpool
https://minergate.com/blockchain/duck/transpool
https://minergate.com/blockchain/mcn/transpool
https://minergate.com/blockchain/aeon/transpool
https://minergate.com/blockchain/bbr/transpool
This is an act of aggression on someone's part.
August 23, 2014, 12:26:00 PM
-snip-
They can't - we audited that quite some time ago when we noticed that. I've been playing with it via connectivity_tool for a couple of months, which is where it's most referenced. As we continue to diverge from the reference code this will be removed, but it's not terribly urgent at this juncture.
Enumerating the network is a trivial exercise, as it is with Bitcoin. This will change in future with the integration of i2p.
August 23, 2014, 12:19:58 PM
Monero now has the additonal burden of convincing the public that they've made sure that all of the code is clean. It's not a win for Monero.
Which they've being doing by having at least one independent individual review the code. More should, of course.
Here's one for you:
The XMR p2p protocol includes a set of debug commands that can only be invoked by a peer that has the right secret key, defined in cryptonote_config.h:
Code:
#define P2P_STAT_TRUSTED_PUB_KEY "8f80f9a5a434a9f1510d13336228debfee9c918ce505efe225d8c94d045fa115"
The observant will note that this is unchanged from that in Bytecoin:
https://github.com/amjuarez/bytecoin/blob/master/src/cryptonote_config.h#L107
Boolberry changed it (it's now called P2P_MAINTAINERS_KEY), so at least with that one, one can be sure that only Zoidberg can execute the debug commands.
Tacotime noted it some time ago, but noted that he "hadn't looked in to it extensively."
If I were to put on my tinfoil hat, I'd note that the person with the P2P_STAT key -- aka the Bytecoin crew -- can use this to map the network, determine the OS and version of every node playing, and they're even called out in the source as:
Code:
#ifdef ALLOW_DEBUG_COMMANDS
//These commands are considered as insecure, and made in debug purposes for a limited lifetime.
Is this malice? No, it's probably what happens when you adopt an unfamiliar codebase and have to coordinate people to get through it all, but it's pretty strongly suggested in the code itself that it's not something you necessarily want to leave enabled **when you can't even use it yourself to debug** because it's someone else's private key.
It'd be interesting to know which, if any, of the other cryptonote clones did change or disable the P2P debug key or commands...
Ah, here we go:
Code:
Bytecoin: 8f80f9a5a434a9f1510d13336228debfee9c918ce505efe225d8c94d045fa115
Monero: 8f80f9a5a434a9f1510d13336228debfee9c918ce505efe225d8c94d045fa115
Boolberry: d2f6bc35dc4e4a43235ae12620df4612df590c6e1df0a18a55c5e12d81502aa7
Quazarcoin: fede02571de64623093f19e08a3b791e0ffe4d39d968c7cdc51cb8d37e6a2a0d
Ducknote: 85ae8734f90bc1ee295ceb0ec05a49852d4dbbc9d1c27a619b5f4bdf26a0196e
As always, though, if this was intentional or suggestive of collusion with Bytecoin, it was probably intentional on the part of TFT, not the current Monero devs.
August 22, 2014, 07:28:17 PM
Monero now has the additonal burden of convincing the public that they've made sure that all of the code is clean. It's not a win for Monero.
Which they've being doing by having at least one independent individual review the code. More should, of course.
August 22, 2014, 07:02:48 PM
I think that something has to be explained to all of us. Has XMR team/supporters/whales anyhow influenced
the situation around the whitepaper or were they just in the right place to spot the vandalization and take it as a fact to discredit the whole technology?
the situation around the whitepaper or were they just in the right place to spot the vandalization and take it as a fact to discredit the whole technology?
How are XMR supporters discrediting the "whole technology"? I don't think anyone here has legitimately questioned the CryptoNote technology itself.
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