[Boxing]: Caleb Plant vs David Benavidez - page 14.

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Quote from: harizen on November 27, 2022, 05:57:53 PM

Quote from: Baofeng on November 26, 2022, 05:25:01 PM

OK, this early it seems that everyone is looking for a Benavidez KO/TKO, thanks so far for those who voted.

I think Caleb Plant losing to Canelo plays a big reason why others are eyeing Benavidez to win in this match. Can't blame them though. However, if we look at the technical side, Benavidez is not on the same tier as Canelo "for now" that's why I'm seeing this fight won't be a landslide win to either Benavidez or Plant.

WBA (Regular) Super middleweight champion David Morrell Jr., who was waiting on the winner of this fight between Benavidez and Plant, gives a 50-50 prediction on this fight since both boxers do have their own advantages. The turning point of this match will now depend on how these boxers will execute successfully their respective strategies.

Probably because we don't want to see Canelo fight Plant a second time around, and probably Canelo is not going to be interested as well. So it's better for Benavidez to win in this fight so that he will be the next in line for Canelo's belt at 168 lbs.

Or how either will execute their game plan and if that doesn't work, adjust in the fight itself. And usually those that can adjust will win in any fight. So I do agree that it still 50/50 at this point as bot has strong side and good team behind to formulate strategies and what to in the middle of the fight itself.

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Quote from: Japinat on November 30, 2022, 12:28:40 PM

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Ok it seems that Canelo Alvarez per this interview, says that he favored or see Benavidez winning against Plant.

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“It's going to be a very competitive fight between [Benavidez and Plant.] I personally believe that Benavidez wins,” Alvarez told bet365. “I am here to face the best and make the best fights in boxing. I am interested in all those fights. Whatever leads me to make history. That is why I am here.”

https://www.boxingscene.com/canelo-alvarez-picks-benavidez-beat-plant-its-going-competitive--170770

And probably this is good news for Benavidez as he might face Alvarez next if he wins this fight. At least him and his Father has been requesting this fight for a long time. And if David win and become the mandatory for one of Alvarez belt then this fight could be made.

I hope so that Canelo won't be ducking if that time comes because after Plant, David is next line to fight Canelo. I'm not saying that he is scared but I just hope that he will face David this time and won't say again that fighting the latter won't give him some benefits. Of course, what's there left? He already got the 4-belts and the title.

But I think David have to wait because Canelo's priority for now is to face Bivol again in a rematch, although there might not be much difference this time.

Hehehe, I don't think that Canelo is ducking anyone, and since he is the cash cow, everyone is wanting to fight him. So he is the one who will dictate who he wanted to fight. And those who have been chosen are very lucky like Caleb because of the money that they will get fighting him.

So yes, David could wait for more, he is still very young, he doesn't need to rush himself against Canelo.

And this is the perfect time for him to shine, beat Caleb Plant first because he can get his ticket to the lottery.

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Quote from: Japinat on November 30, 2022, 12:28:40 PM

Quote from: Baofeng on November 28, 2022, 03:24:39 PM

Ok it seems that Canelo Alvarez per this interview, says that he favored or see Benavidez winning against Plant.

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“It's going to be a very competitive fight between [Benavidez and Plant.] I personally believe that Benavidez wins,” Alvarez told bet365. “I am here to face the best and make the best fights in boxing. I am interested in all those fights. Whatever leads me to make history. That is why I am here.”

https://www.boxingscene.com/canelo-alvarez-picks-benavidez-beat-plant-its-going-competitive--170770

And probably this is good news for Benavidez as he might face Alvarez next if he wins this fight. At least him and his Father has been requesting this fight for a long time. And if David win and become the mandatory for one of Alvarez belt then this fight could be made.

I hope so that Canelo won't be ducking if that time comes because after Plant, David is next line to fight Canelo. I'm not saying that he is scared but I just hope that he will face David this time and won't say again that fighting the latter won't give him some benefits. Of course, what's there left? He already got the 4-belts and the title.

But I think David have to wait because Canelo's priority for now is to face Bivol again in a rematch, although there might not be much difference this time.

Yes, it's that complicated in Canelo's end, I mean he still wants to fight Bivol and avenge his defeat, but then again there is someone in the horizon, a young lion who wants to challenge Canelo.

And now that is fight is ordered or going to be made, the winner could be on Canelo.

But let's wait, if David wanted to face Canelo next year, focused on this fight first. Let his father do the talking in the media to hyper his fight against Caleb.

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Quote from: Baofeng on November 28, 2022, 03:24:39 PM

Ok it seems that Canelo Alvarez per this interview, says that he favored or see Benavidez winning against Plant.

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“It's going to be a very competitive fight between [Benavidez and Plant.] I personally believe that Benavidez wins,” Alvarez told bet365. “I am here to face the best and make the best fights in boxing. I am interested in all those fights. Whatever leads me to make history. That is why I am here.”

https://www.boxingscene.com/canelo-alvarez-picks-benavidez-beat-plant-its-going-competitive--170770

And probably this is good news for Benavidez as he might face Alvarez next if he wins this fight. At least him and his Father has been requesting this fight for a long time. And if David win and become the mandatory for one of Alvarez belt then this fight could be made.

I hope so that Canelo won't be ducking if that time comes because after Plant, David is next line to fight Canelo. I'm not saying that he is scared but I just hope that he will face David this time and won't say again that fighting the latter won't give him some benefits. Of course, what's there left? He already got the 4-belts and the title.

But I think David have to wait because Canelo's priority for now is to face Bivol again in a rematch, although there might not be much difference this time.

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Ok it seems that Canelo Alvarez per this interview, says that he favored or see Benavidez winning against Plant.

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“It's going to be a very competitive fight between [Benavidez and Plant.] I personally believe that Benavidez wins,” Alvarez told bet365. “I am here to face the best and make the best fights in boxing. I am interested in all those fights. Whatever leads me to make history. That is why I am here.”

https://www.boxingscene.com/canelo-alvarez-picks-benavidez-beat-plant-its-going-competitive--170770

And probably this is good news for Benavidez as he might face Alvarez next if he wins this fight. At least him and his Father has been requesting this fight for a long time. And if David win and become the mandatory for one of Alvarez belt then this fight could be made.

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Quote from: Kemarit on November 26, 2022, 03:22:32 PM

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Quote from: Baofeng on November 25, 2022, 04:38:12 PM

Benavidez, on the other hand is a two-time former WBC super middleweight champion, never lost the belt to any fighter though. It was all his wrong doing, first he lost the title when he was tested positive for cocaine. And then after getting back the title, he lost it again this time to Roamer Alexis Angulo as he can't make the weight.

Benavidez coming from a history of drug use for enhanced performance will still have not recovered completely, there is that possibility and in my opinion will still be struggling adjusting to fighting without drugs completely. And although he says that this fight is personal for him, Plant is the best bet to win this fight building on his momentum from his last fight, and just like his last fight where his opponent said the fight was personal too but still lost to him, Benavidez can still loose.

It's cocaine that is found in his system, not some type of Peds that usually sports athlete abuse. Maybe he used it to control his weight or just trying it out, we really don't know. But for sure it will have some effect on his body later. Possible though that he has completely stop after he was get caught in him system.

So that is very important to him, to really just focus and be motivated and regain the belt (although it was interim if I'm not mistaken and not the regular belt). And he is looking forward to fight the best in this division which is Canelo Alvarez. So personal or not, he needs to win against Plant and beat him.

That wasn't a regular belt, it was the WBC World Super Middleweight title that he won way back 2017 against Ronald Gavril and he successfully defended that title for more than 2 years until he was stripped when VADA wanted to collect his urine sample and found positive for Cocaine consumption. Canelo Alvarez only got the chance to laid his hands on it when it was vacated and fought it with Callum Smith.

David missed his chance on fighting Canelo Alvarez just because of that cocaine. Although, I'm not sure if he can defeat Canelo at that time if ever they got the chance. Now, this is his journey to redemption and I hope David already learned his lesson.

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Quote from: Baofeng on November 26, 2022, 05:25:01 PM

OK, this early it seems that everyone is looking for a Benavidez KO/TKO, thanks so far for those who voted.

I think Caleb Plant losing to Canelo plays a big reason why others are eyeing Benavidez to win in this match. Can't blame them though. However, if we look at the technical side, Benavidez is not on the same tier as Canelo "for now" that's why I'm seeing this fight won't be a landslide win to either Benavidez or Plant.

WBA (Regular) Super middleweight champion David Morrell Jr., who was waiting on the winner of this fight between Benavidez and Plant, gives a 50-50 prediction on this fight since both boxers do have their own advantages. The turning point of this match will now depend on how these boxers will execute successfully their respective strategies.

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Quote from: serjent05 on November 26, 2022, 02:46:19 PM

Quote from: o48o on November 26, 2022, 01:22:39 PM

That is if he caught Benavidez off guard. Watching Benavidez fight, I saw him well guarded with is hands always up on a difference that covers the whole of his face and part below his chin. Benavidez is also cautious in approaching his target and in the close quarter he has his one hand on clinch on the neck of his opponent while throwing his free hands. That position is somehow disadvantageous to Benavidez's opponent.

Well there's that, but my guess is that caleb could take an advantage of Benavidez's confidence. I mean sometimes when Benavidez hits combos it just looks like opponents let him do that. Of course they could be so devastating strikes that opponents are going panic defence mode, but from the outside it just looks some of his like opponents just stand hands up and he gets to beat them as much as he wants.

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on November 27, 2022, 03:47:04 PM

Quote from: Questat on November 27, 2022, 11:56:37 AM

I just knew it now that David was once a champion in this division but got stripped because of that incident, that's tough. Now he is making his name again because his ultimate goal is to have a dance with the undisputed champion, Canelo Alvarez. The kid's chances to defeat Caleb Plant is quite pretty and I'm much more inclined to see him win rather than Plant, although Plant could be much devastating this time because defeating David will be his way to have his rematch with Canelo.

Yes, but if I'm not mistaken, it was not a regular belt that Canelo has, was a interim title. But still he has shown some bright future that time, unfortunately, many young boxers turn into something like this, (drugs). But I do hope that he change already because he has matured and has been calling Canelo for the last year or so. But Canelo doesn't want to give David that fight yet.

Quote from: Questat on November 27, 2022, 11:56:37 AM

Regarding the status of this fight, I've read an article that this fight will take place somewhere in Autumn 2023, so it's likely on the 4th quarter and much longer than what I expected when I first saw this thread.

It will be a bad decision for this two if they fight on the 4th quarter because it will be like a year of waiting. I'm hinting that this fight can happen early next year. While both of them are still very fresh specially Plant coming from that knockout of the year candidate.

Both are aiming to have a hand on Canelo, so more than likely, they will do their own rigid preparations for this one.
Yes, I would llike to see it in the first 2 quarters of this coming year. And once we got the winner of this match, then high likely that he will call for a fight with Canelo.
But in boxing, we know that it depends on their respective promoters who will be their next opponent, as the consideration of purse split is always there.
They both wanted to win this fight as they have their own plans, but seems that they will be chasing for Canelo here. The odds may be slightly in favor with Plant.

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Quote from: Questat on November 27, 2022, 11:56:37 AM

I just knew it now that David was once a champion in this division but got stripped because of that incident, that's tough. Now he is making his name again because his ultimate goal is to have a dance with the undisputed champion, Canelo Alvarez. The kid's chances to defeat Caleb Plant is quite pretty and I'm much more inclined to see him win rather than Plant, although Plant could be much devastating this time because defeating David will be his way to have his rematch with Canelo.

Yes, but if I'm not mistaken, it was not a regular belt that Canelo has, was a interim title. But still he has shown some bright future that time, unfortunately, many young boxers turn into something like this, (drugs). But I do hope that he change already because he has matured and has been calling Canelo for the last year or so. But Canelo doesn't want to give David that fight yet.

Quote from: Questat on November 27, 2022, 11:56:37 AM

Regarding the status of this fight, I've read an article that this fight will take place somewhere in Autumn 2023, so it's likely on the 4th quarter and much longer than what I expected when I first saw this thread.

It will be a bad decision for this two if they fight on the 4th quarter because it will be like a year of waiting. I'm hinting that this fight can happen early next year. While both of them are still very fresh specially Plant coming from that knockout of the year candidate.

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Quote from: Questat on November 27, 2022, 11:56:37 AM

I just knew it now that David was once a champion in this division but got stripped because of that incident, that's tough. Now he is making his name again because his ultimate goal is to have a dance with the undisputed champion, Canelo Alvarez.

The thing is David never lose a fight although he was stripped of a title twice. I think this is one major problem of Benavidez camp. The lack of discipline of Benavidez. Though I believe Benavidez will behave this time since this fight might be the ladder of his target fight against Canelo Alvarez.

Quote from: Questat on November 27, 2022, 11:56:37 AM

The kid's chances to defeat Caleb Plant is quite pretty and I'm much more inclined to see him win rather than Plant, although Plant could be much devastating this time because defeating David will be his way to have his rematch with Canelo.

I also think that Benavidez has the advantage. As long as Benavidez isn't caught by a knockout punch, I think he will win the fight via UD or KO. I believe the motivation on this fight is that the winner will have a chance to face Canelo which is pretty much the target of both boxer.

Quote from: AmoreJaz on November 26, 2022, 06:00:07 PM

both boxers know what is at stake on this fight, so both have very good motivation to seriously prepare for this fight. a good toe-to-toe fight is expected here. a lot are rooting for benavidez from this forum. but let us see how the odds will play once bookies listed this match. they need to hype up to earn good money from this fight. anyway, both are known already in the boxing category.

I think I will see Benavidez bulldozing his way forward to Plant. Well, being flat-footed, moving forward is the only way to reach the opponent. I just hope that Benavidez won't be caught by a strong punch while moving his way forward to hit Plant. If he did caught by Plant heavy punches, we might see Benavidez kissing the canvas.

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Quote from: Baofeng on November 25, 2022, 04:38:12 PM

It seems that we will see this fight happening in 2023, no date yet, but according to Plant, he has signed the contract already.

https://twitter.com/SweetHandsPlant/status/1588279180281532417

Plant is riding on a momentum of his great knockout against Anthony Dirrell last month,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxF5cu7fG3U

Benavidez, on the other hand is a two-time former WBC super middleweight champion, never lost the belt to any fighter though. It was all his wrong doing, first he lost the title when he was tested positive for cocaine. And then after getting back the title, he lost it again this time to Roamer Alexis Angulo as he can't make the weight.

Benavidez wanted to go and fight Canelo Alvarez, but the camp of Canelo says no, as they want him to proved himself. So maybe if he beat Plant worst than Canelo beat him, he might gain some respect and could potentially face Alvarez in the future.

What are your thoughts on this fight?

I just knew it now that David was once a champion in this division but got stripped because of that incident, that's tough. Now he is making his name again because his ultimate goal is to have a dance with the undisputed champion, Canelo Alvarez. The kid's chances to defeat Caleb Plant is quite pretty and I'm much more inclined to see him win rather than Plant, although Plant could be much devastating this time because defeating David will be his way to have his rematch with Canelo.

Regarding the status of this fight, I've read an article that this fight will take place somewhere in Autumn 2023, so it's likely on the 4th quarter and much longer than what I expected when I first saw this thread.

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The both boxers have been embarking on verbal fists for quite a long time, now its time for the fight to commence. Next year will be a better beginning for whoever wins this fight. Benavidez known for his trash talks already said he'll beat the hell out of Plant.

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“This fight for me is 100% personal with Caleb Plant,” said Benavidez during an interview with BoxingScene.com. “I’m really looking to go in there and beat the shit out of him.”

On the other hand, Plant needs to get back to his position after losing his title to Canelo, I think a win for him will be of good advantage to his career added to his previous win against Direll, which Benavidez commended, yet Benavidez is not bothered in the least about Plant's win over Direll as he's the D' day that he'll land numerous KO on Plant.

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“My plan is go in there and do what I know I can do to Caleb Plant and that’s gonna be put a beating on him worse than Canelo.”

https://www.boxingscene.com/david-benavidez-this-fight-100-personal-with-plant-gonna-put-beating-on-him-worse-canelo--170689

It looks like both boxers is hyping the fight. Noises from social media only confirms one thing, they wanted more people to know about the fight and get interested via their "verbal fist". And I am sure that is one effective way of making someone curious and possibly watch the fight.

Anyway Caleb Plant is a beast, I watched how he got Dirrell KO'ed in just 1 punch. So Benavidez getting knockdown in this fight isn't impossible.

both boxers know what is at stake on this fight, so both have very good motivation to seriously prepare for this fight. a good toe-to-toe fight is expected here. a lot are rooting for benavidez from this forum. but let us see how the odds will play once bookies listed this match. they need to hype up to earn good money from this fight. anyway, both are known already in the boxing category.

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Quote from: Accardo on November 26, 2022, 05:00:18 PM

The both boxers have been embarking on verbal fists for quite a long time, now its time for the fight to commence. Next year will be a better beginning for whoever wins this fight. Benavidez known for his trash talks already said he'll beat the hell out of Plant.

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“This fight for me is 100% personal with Caleb Plant,” said Benavidez during an interview with BoxingScene.com. “I’m really looking to go in there and beat the shit out of him.”

On the other hand, Plant needs to get back to his position after losing his title to Canelo, I think a win for him will be of good advantage to his career added to his previous win against Direll, which Benavidez commended, yet Benavidez is not bothered in the least about Plant's win over Direll as he's the D' day that he'll land numerous KO on Plant.

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“My plan is go in there and do what I know I can do to Caleb Plant and that’s gonna be put a beating on him worse than Canelo.”

https://www.boxingscene.com/david-benavidez-this-fight-100-personal-with-plant-gonna-put-beating-on-him-worse-canelo--170689

It looks like both boxers is hyping the fight. Noises from social media only confirms one thing, they wanted more people to know about the fight and get interested via their "verbal fist". And I am sure that is one effective way of making someone curious and possibly watch the fight.

Anyway Caleb Plant is a beast, I watched how he got Dirrell KO'ed in just 1 punch. So Benavidez getting knockdown in this fight isn't impossible.

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OK, this early it seems that everyone is looking for a Benavidez KO/TKO, thanks so far for those who voted.

And I do agree, volume punching + power equals destruction. And that's what David has, he throws a lot punches, a volume puncher at this division, he somewhat flat footed, but once he got the rhythm, he will definitely have to chase Plant.

On the other hand, Plant has power though and the movement, so this is a clash of style.

So maybe it will be Caleb Plant early or half of the fight but then when David has settled down, he will go for that volume to score a stoppage or even to get a KO.

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The both boxers have been embarking on verbal fists for quite a long time, now its time for the fight to commence. Next year will be a better beginning for whoever wins this fight. Benavidez known for his trash talks already said he'll beat the hell out of Plant.

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“This fight for me is 100% personal with Caleb Plant,” said Benavidez during an interview with BoxingScene.com. “I’m really looking to go in there and beat the shit out of him.”

On the other hand, Plant needs to get back to his position after losing his title to Canelo, I think a win for him will be of good advantage to his career added to his previous win against Direll, which Benavidez commended, yet Benavidez is not bothered in the least about Plant's win over Direll as he's waiting for the D' day that he'll land numerous KO on Plant.

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“My plan is go in there and do what I know I can do to Caleb Plant and that’s gonna be put a beating on him worse than Canelo.”

https://www.boxingscene.com/david-benavidez-this-fight-100-personal-with-plant-gonna-put-beating-on-him-worse-canelo--170689

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Quote from: cabron on November 26, 2022, 12:18:39 PM

Plant took the risk and failed against Canelo, he wouldn't mind losing again against the KO artist, He doesn't have the power compared to the bigger fighter like Benavidez. He's taking this step to get to Canelo again. Sure he got the respect of boxing fans but Benavidez will break him apart and uproot Plant in the later rounds.

This will be another hard match for Plant, and knowing Benavidez I’m sure he will not make so easy for Plant to win. If Plant wants to fight Canelo again, then he should be more serious on this fight, both boxer are good though but when it comes to power and consistency, I think Benavidez will have a good advantage here.

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Quote from: o48o on November 26, 2022, 01:22:39 PM

If i had to guess (and i do because i am betting on this), It all depends on if Benavidez can absorb punches from Caleb, because he needs to do that as his defense sucks.

Meanwhile Caleb has excellent defense but gets probably cornered a lot by Benavidez who just like to walk towards.

For me Caleb also doesn't have a good defense as well, I mean Dirrell can hit him because Anthony throws combination, and that is why Canelo also was able to got him in the later round because he is known to put down his arms a bit.

Quote from: o48o on November 26, 2022, 01:22:39 PM

This makes me believe that Knock out by Caleb could happen when Caleb is cornered. Because Caleb does an excellent bob and weave, and uppercut after low bob and weave could just be too powerful when it lands. And Benavidez doesn't really dodge well so he needs to be able to absorb some punches. But maybe it's too much to ask absorb that kind of punch to chin from Caleb

But he has quick hands and that left hook is deadly, in his amazing knockout on Dirrell, they both throw at the same time, but it was Caleb who got it first and the timing of that left hook. So this is going to be very difficult to predict this early. Both has the ability to ko each other.

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Quote from: Bananington on November 26, 2022, 02:20:20 PM

Quote from: Baofeng on November 25, 2022, 04:38:12 PM

Benavidez, on the other hand is a two-time former WBC super middleweight champion, never lost the belt to any fighter though. It was all his wrong doing, first he lost the title when he was tested positive for cocaine. And then after getting back the title, he lost it again this time to Roamer Alexis Angulo as he can't make the weight.

Benavidez coming from a history of drug use for enhanced performance will still have not recovered completely, there is that possibility and in my opinion will still be struggling adjusting to fighting without drugs completely. And although he says that this fight is personal for him, Plant is the best bet to win this fight building on his momentum from his last fight, and just like his last fight where his opponent said the fight was personal too but still lost to him, Benavidez can still loose.

It's cocaine that is found in his system, not some type of Peds that usually sports athlete abuse. Maybe he used it to control his weight or just trying it out, we really don't know. But for sure it will have some effect on his body later. Possible though that he has completely stop after he was get caught in him system.

So that is very important to him, to really just focus and be motivated and regain the belt (although it was interim if I'm not mistaken and not the regular belt). And he is looking forward to fight the best in this division which is Canelo Alvarez. So personal or not, he needs to win against Plant and beat him.

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Quote from: o48o on November 26, 2022, 01:22:39 PM

If i had to guess (and i do because i am betting on this), It all depends on if Benavidez can absorb punches from Caleb, because he needs to do that as his defense sucks.

Meanwhile Caleb has excellent defense but gets probably cornered a lot by Benavidez who just like to walk towards.

This makes me believe that Knock out by Caleb could happen when Caleb is cornered. Because Caleb does an excellent bob and weave, and uppercut after low bob and weave could just be too powerful when it lands. And Benavidez doesn't really dodge well so he needs to be able to absorb some punches. But maybe it's too much to ask absorb that kind of punch to chin from Caleb

That is if he caught Benavidez off guard. Watching Benavidez fight, I saw him well guarded with is hands always up on a difference that covers the whole of his face and part below his chin. Benavidez is also cautious in approaching his target and in the close quarter he has his one hand on clinch on the neck of his opponent while throwing his free hands. That position is somehow disadvantageous to Benavidez's opponent.

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Quote from: Baofeng on November 25, 2022, 04:38:12 PM

Benavidez, on the other hand is a two-time former WBC super middleweight champion, never lost the belt to any fighter though. It was all his wrong doing, first he lost the title when he was tested positive for cocaine. And then after getting back the title, he lost it again this time to Roamer Alexis Angulo as he can't make the weight.

Benavidez coming from a history of drug use for enhanced performance will still have not recovered completely, there is that possibility and in my opinion will still be struggling adjusting to fighting without drugs completely. And although he says that this fight is personal for him, Plant is the best bet to win this fight building on his momentum from his last fight, and just like his last fight where his opponent said the fight was personal too but still lost to him, Benavidez can still loose.

It isn't an enhancing drug that tested positive on Benavidez, it is cocaine and cocaine isn't an enhancing drug.[1], a recreational drugs though labeled as banned substance. I think it won't have any effect on the upcoming fight of Benavidez against Plant. The worrisome thing is the lack of discipline of Benavidez since he was stripped of his belt twice and one of them is him not meeting the weight requirement.

[1] https://www.michaelshouse.com/blog/athletes-may-use-cocaine-to-gain-an-edge-in-their-sport/

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