Boxing: Dmitry Bivol vs Zurdo Ramirez - page 21.

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Quote from: aioc on August 22, 2022, 06:36:12 PM

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Any shared information on why Dmitry Bivol failed to secure a fight with Artur Beterbiev for the supposed undisputed match at the Light-Heavyweight Division?

Who do you think is responsible for that, no other than Bob Arum the villain of the Boxing world, he doesn't want his ward Beterbiev on any promotion only on ESPN

Boxing politics always deprived the hard core fans of this sport the fight we deserved to see when fighters are still in their prime. Bob Arum always want the big slice of the pie and we all know that Bivol's market value sky-rocketed when he beat Canelo so for sure he will have to receive more if he fight Beterbiev which i don't think old Bob will agree.

Bivol needs to dispose Zurdo in a convincing manner first so as to eliminate the doubt that he is just a one fight wonder and with that he deserve a shot of unifying the light heavy weight title.

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Quote from: agustina2 on August 22, 2022, 07:47:00 PM

Quote from: aioc on August 22, 2022, 06:36:12 PM

Ramirez could be dangerous but not against Bivol who schooled one of the best technical boxers of this generation, Canelo Alvarez, if Bivol fight the way he does when he fought Canelo then Bivol will have the victory, either by knockout or by decision.

But Ramirez is different from Canelo where the former is used in fighting in the Light-Heavyweight division compare to the latter.

Either way, Ramirez is a good pick since he dominated the Super middleweight division before taking fights at Light-Heavyweight. If Arum is against Russian boxers, then it's just a dream now to set up a unification match at the Light-Heavyweight division unless Dmitry Bivol will lose his next fights and that so his hold world title

Yeah, I don't think you can call it domination when he fought a wash up Arthur Abraham. Jesse Hart? Hmm maybe?

But I guess he move up in weight because he can't take 168 lbs, and maybe the timing of Canelo and Callum Smith moving to his division. That's the only reason why I think he didn't have the best fights in super middleweight.

But this time, if he wanted to get another belt this will be his best shot, but it will be very hard because he will be facing Bivol, who maybe the best Light Heavyweight today in terms of skills.

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Quote from: aioc on August 22, 2022, 06:36:12 PM

Ramirez could be dangerous but not against Bivol who schooled one of the best technical boxers of this generation, Canelo Alvarez, if Bivol fight the way he does when he fought Canelo then Bivol will have the victory, either by knockout or by decision.

Zurdo Ramirez has been pursuing and expecting this fight for close to a year, hence he should be more prepared for this fight. Both of them are very good fighters considering their boxing records. I am predicting that the winner would be determined by the efforts both fighters would put from now till November 5th when the fight would hold. Gradually, Saudi Arabia is now having a new identity that is different from religious pilgrimage. The country is now becoming a center for big boxing matches because of its neutrality and financial capabilities.

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Quote from: aioc on August 22, 2022, 06:36:12 PM

Quote from: goinmerry on August 22, 2022, 06:27:59 PM

Any shared information on why Dmitry Bivol failed to secure a fight with Artur Beterbiev for the supposed undisputed match at the Light-Heavyweight Division?

Who do you think is responsible for that, no other than Bob Arum the villain of the Boxing world, he doesn't want his ward Beterbiev on any promotion only on ESPN

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"One thing with Beterbiev is that now that he is known by the public and that so many people have seen him, therefore we won't do a fight on 'Dead-Zone' (DAZN) for anyone to see," Arum said for Boxing Scene.

Beterbiev vs. Bivol at serious risk: Bob Arum is against the Russian boxers' duel

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We know Bivol really wants to chase more titles that's why he shows no interest in the possible rematch with Canelo right away. And now he is ended up in a mandatory title defense which is also a good match providing Zurdo Ramirez is also currently at his peak.

That would be a great clash!

Ramirez could be dangerous but not against Bivol who schooled one of the best technical boxers of this generation, Canelo Alvarez, if Bivol fight the way he does when he fought Canelo then Bivol will have the victory, either by knockout or by decision.

That looks accurate for this sport is manipulated by the biggest mafia boss Arum. Yet we're speculating how each of them is ducking each other while Bivol just toppled Canelo. But then anyway, this is mandatory and a very potential close fight. Bivol might still be the favorite but this is where the bookmakers are going to feel the odds to be very even.

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Quote from: aioc on August 22, 2022, 06:36:12 PM

Ramirez could be dangerous but not against Bivol who schooled one of the best technical boxers of this generation, Canelo Alvarez, if Bivol fight the way he does when he fought Canelo then Bivol will have the victory, either by knockout or by decision.

But Ramirez is different from Canelo where the former is used in fighting in the Light-Heavyweight division compare to the latter.

Either way, Ramirez is a good pick since he dominated the Super middleweight division before taking fights at Light-Heavyweight. If Arum is against Russian boxers, then it's just a dream now to set up a unification match at the Light-Heavyweight division unless Dmitry Bivol will lose his next fights and that so his hold world title

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Quote from: goinmerry on August 22, 2022, 06:27:59 PM

Any shared information on why Dmitry Bivol failed to secure a fight with Artur Beterbiev for the supposed undisputed match at the Light-Heavyweight Division?

Who do you think is responsible for that, no other than Bob Arum the villain of the Boxing world, he doesn't want his ward Beterbiev on any promotion only on ESPN

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"One thing with Beterbiev is that now that he is known by the public and that so many people have seen him, therefore we won't do a fight on 'Dead-Zone' (DAZN) for anyone to see," Arum said for Boxing Scene.

Beterbiev vs. Bivol at serious risk: Bob Arum is against the Russian boxers' duel

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We know Bivol really wants to chase more titles that's why he shows no interest in the possible rematch with Canelo right away. And now he is ended up in a mandatory title defense which is also a good match providing Zurdo Ramirez is also currently at his peak.

That would be a great clash!

Ramirez could be dangerous but not against Bivol who schooled one of the best technical boxers of this generation, Canelo Alvarez, if Bivol fight the way he does when he fought Canelo then Bivol will have the victory, either by knockout or by decision.

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Any shared information on why Dmitry Bivol failed to secure a fight with Artur Beterbiev for the supposed undisputed match at the Light-Heavyweight Division?

We know Bivol really wants to chase more titles that's why he shows no interest in the possible rematch with Canelo right away. And now he is ended up in a mandatory title defense which is also a good match providing Zurdo Ramirez is also currently at his peak.

That would be a great clash!

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Quote from: coin-investor on August 22, 2022, 11:16:50 AM

I became a big fan of Bivol after he schooled Canelo, he is a great fighter in his own right, and Ramirez is a respected power puncher but in terms of defense, that's where he lacks Bivol will exploit that weakness, after he beat Canelo there's now a level of invincibility in him, he is a total class fighter we have a saying to be the man you have to beat the man and he schooled the man, so he is the man that will win this matchup, and this has the making of a great fight.

That was a great match for Bivol and he became more famous after that winning match, having that good record also boost the career of Bivol however it might not enough because he is going to face another undefeated boxer with an impressive record, probably Ramirez will focus more on his defensive strategy since Bivol is very aggressive. There’s a plenty of time to prepare, I wish them a healthy training so this fight will push through.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on August 22, 2022, 05:22:58 PM

Quote from: Oasisman on August 22, 2022, 11:41:34 AM

Good for him because rumors from the boxing fans is that Zurdo has been fighting a bunch of nobodies that's why he's got an impressive record. However, some said he's been fighting the best he could as if he's aiming for Bivol or Beterbiev.
Now, he's got Bivol. This is going to an interesting fight as people expect less from Zurdo. But I have a feeling this would turn out to become a good fight.

So that's a lot of nobodies he fought lol, at 44-0 i think Zurdo has also gained some good experience fighting that much. Zurdo was a former champion in the super middleweight division so i think he also got some pop on his punches though not that hard but still enough for him to be recognized by the boxing community so with that said this would be an exciting fight because like Zurdo, Bivol was a nobody (at least for me) until he fought and won against Canelo.

Yes, but maybe this division is not laden with talent that's why all he fought is nobodies until Canelo steps in the super middle weight and then he goes to light weight and fought old fighters.

Nevertheless it will be a good test for Bivol, to show again his talent against a tough and experience fighter in Ramirez. So we shouldn't underestimate this guy, perhaps we are not aware of his name. But as you have said, we are not that much familiar with Bivol until the Canelo fight.

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Quote from: Oasisman on August 22, 2022, 11:41:34 AM

Good for him because rumors from the boxing fans is that Zurdo has been fighting a bunch of nobodies that's why he's got an impressive record. However, some said he's been fighting the best he could as if he's aiming for Bivol or Beterbiev.
Now, he's got Bivol. This is going to an interesting fight as people expect less from Zurdo. But I have a feeling this would turn out to become a good fight.

So that's a lot of nobodies he fought lol, at 44-0 i think Zurdo has also gained some good experience fighting that much. Zurdo was a former champion in the super middleweight division so i think he also got some pop on his punches though not that hard but still enough for him to be recognized by the boxing community so with that said this would be an exciting fight because like Zurdo, Bivol was a nobody (at least for me) until he fought and won against Canelo.

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Quote from: Slow death on August 22, 2022, 10:29:21 AM

in my opinion Dmitry Bivol will win this fight without sweating too much, when I say without sweating too much I mean he won't be extremely exhausted after the fight, it's a fight I'll bet on when I see it on stake.com I'm confident that Dmitry Bivol wins this fight, and about Canelo Alvarez, Grin

I think he will skip this rematch next year, I doubt they will fight, I could be wrong

I have never seen a boxing fight where both sides won't sweat, not to talk about someone winning without a sweat.
I understand you maybe be a fan of Dmitry Bivol but try to check the record of the two fighters to see the most experience fighter and how they both performed when they face the same opponent which is Sullivan Barrera.
In my opinion, Zurdo Ramirez has a huge chance to beat Dmitry Bivol.

Bivol's name was a bit hyped for sure because he defeated Canelo Alvarez recently but Zurdo is not an easy opponent either because the latter has more experience in the industry and has a greater KO ratio, not mentioning Zurdo's height and reach advantage while he is also in the same age as Bivol.
Can't really underestimate Zurdo because the man even KO'd a boxer once in cruiserweight in just a mere 4 rounds. Bivol will surely struggle this time and saying that this will be a piece of cake for him is an overstatement because Zurdo has more chances to defeat Bivol and fight Artur Beterbiev in an undisputed match in light-heavy.

It goes with the name, if you beat Canelo by a unanimous decision when Canelo is knocking out every champion that comes along then it only means you are a special fighter I know Zurdo is a good fighter with a good punch but its only good when he can hit his opponent, Canelo is good and a knock out artist but when he fought Bivol he cannot hit him and there's always counter every time he throws, you are a superior boxer when you can hit and not get hit, and Bivol is good at doing that.

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Quote from: coin-investor on August 22, 2022, 11:16:50 AM

I became a big fan of Bivol after he schooled Canelo, he is a great fighter in his own right, and Ramirez is a respected power puncher but in terms of defense, that's where he lacks Bivol will exploit that weakness, after he beat Canelo there's now a level of invincibility in him, he is a total class fighter we have a saying to be the man you have to beat the man and he schooled the man, so he is the man that will win this matchup, and this has the making of a great fight.

His name suddenly was in the radar for most casual fans because the way he beat the formidable Saul Canelo Alvarez during their fight. Although the score is very close, but we have seen how Bivol dominated Alvarez with his volume punching. What's holding Canelo is that he has a good chin, but he was no match. So if a boxer with that caliber can't beat Bivol, so what is the chance of Ramirez? I would say very slim, he really needs to be 100% healthy in this fight. Otherwise if will also be dominated by Bivol and maybe win by a knock out.

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Quote from: Oasisman on August 22, 2022, 11:41:34 AM

Good for him because rumors from the boxing fans is that Zurdo has been fighting a bunch of nobodies that's why he's got an impressive record.

That is right, although Zurdo Ramirez record is unblemished, you have to look at the quality of his opponents in his last couple of fights.

Sullivan Barrera - age 40
Alfonso Lopez - age 40
Tommy Karpency - age 36

Except maybe his best win is against Dominic Boesel as WBA eliminator.

Quote from: Oasisman on August 22, 2022, 11:41:34 AM

However, some said he's been fighting the best he could as if he's aiming for Bivol or Beterbiev.
Now, he's got Bivol. This is going to an interesting fight as people expect less from Zurdo. But I have a feeling this would turn out to become a good fight.

He get what he wanted now, but we all know that Bivol has the hand speed and I think this will be a key to his victory against Ramirez as he has no match for a prime Bivol right now, riding high from a big momentum win against Canelo Alvarez.

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Quote from: suzanne5223 on August 22, 2022, 11:14:36 AM

Quote from: Slow death on August 22, 2022, 10:29:21 AM

in my opinion Dmitry Bivol will win this fight without sweating too much, when I say without sweating too much I mean he won't be extremely exhausted after the fight, it's a fight I'll bet on when I see it on stake.com I'm confident that Dmitry Bivol wins this fight, and about Canelo Alvarez, Grin

I think he will skip this rematch next year, I doubt they will fight, I could be wrong

I have never seen a boxing fight where both sides won't sweat, not to talk about someone winning without a sweat.
I understand you maybe be a fan of Dmitry Bivol but try to check the record of the two fighters to see the most experience fighter and how they both performed when they face the same opponent which is Sullivan Barrera.
In my opinion, Zurdo Ramirez has a huge chance to beat Dmitry Bivol.

Bivol's name was a bit hyped for sure because he defeated Canelo Alvarez recently but Zurdo is not an easy opponent either because the latter has more experience in the industry and has a greater KO ratio, not mentioning Zurdo's height and reach advantage while he is also in the same age as Bivol.
Can't really underestimate Zurdo because the man even KO'd a boxer once in cruiserweight in just a mere 4 rounds. Bivol will surely struggle this time and saying that this will be a piece of cake for him is an overstatement because Zurdo has more chances to defeat Bivol and fight Artur Beterbiev in an undisputed match in light-heavy.

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Good for him because rumors from the boxing fans is that Zurdo has been fighting a bunch of nobodies that's why he's got an impressive record. However, some said he's been fighting the best he could as if he's aiming for Bivol or Beterbiev.
Now, he's got Bivol. This is going to an interesting fight as people expect less from Zurdo. But I have a feeling this would turn out to become a good fight.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on August 22, 2022, 10:14:58 AM

Boxing record:
Dmitry Bivol 20-0-11 KOs
Zurdo Ramirez 44-0-30 KOs

I love watching two undefeated fighters taking each other's zero in their ring record, and this happens to be a very good matchup
Bivol became famous because of Canelo and Ramirez is also popular because he is a former champion, this has the making of a great fight, I don't see this ending in a decision these two fighters love to engage, love to give, and receive, Bivol is a slight favorite here because we have seen his defense, and he is a thinking fighter it takes a more technical fighter to beat a technical fighter, for me Bivol will win because he is a combination of a technical and a power puncher.

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I became a big fan of Bivol after he schooled Canelo, he is a great fighter in his own right, and Ramirez is a respected power puncher but in terms of defense, that's where he lacks Bivol will exploit that weakness, after he beat Canelo there's now a level of invincibility in him, he is a total class fighter we have a saying to be the man you have to beat the man and he schooled the man, so he is the man that will win this matchup, and this has the making of a great fight.

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Quote from: Slow death on August 22, 2022, 10:29:21 AM

in my opinion Dmitry Bivol will win this fight without sweating too much, when I say without sweating too much I mean he won't be extremely exhausted after the fight, it's a fight I'll bet on when I see it on stake.com I'm confident that Dmitry Bivol wins this fight, and about Canelo Alvarez, Grin

I think he will skip this rematch next year, I doubt they will fight, I could be wrong

I have never seen a boxing fight where both sides won't sweat, not to talk about someone winning without a sweat.
I understand you maybe be a fan of Dmitry Bivol but try to check the record of the two fighters to see the most experience fighter and how they both performed when they face the same opponent which is Sullivan Barrera.
In my opinion, Zurdo Ramirez has a huge chance to beat Dmitry Bivol.

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It's just a match IMO. Both fighters are great in their own accord and this bout may even last up to 12 rounds. Bivol has the stamina and footwork advantage but both are power punchers too, so it's only a matter of who's going to connect that punch first to get the win. Ramirez has the reach advantage too, so it's quite easier for him to land some punches and get some points if they managed to drag this until decision. Bivol is the heavy favorite but I am not discounting Ramirez's creds though.

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