Boxing: Dmitry Bivol vs Zurdo Ramirez - page 15.

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Quote from: mirakal on September 14, 2022, 12:59:41 PM

This time, Bivol is the smaller one compared to Zurdo Ramirez which had the height and reach advantage. I'm curious how would Bivol perform against a boxer that is much taller than him.

Bivol ever fight a boxer who bigger than Zurdo Ramirez before, it's Umar Salamov where the height difference are 9 cm and the reach is 10 cm. But Bivol still managed to win via Unanimous decision, if you watch the replay Bivol is using the same technique like when the fight against Canelo.

Bivol is really good boxer since he can take any damage, not many boxer can take a strong punch landed by weighted boxer since it's heavier than the low weights.

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No way Bivol is scared of Ramirez. It is true that Ramirez's title shot at light heavyweight took so long but it is not Bivol nor Beterbiev's fault. Matchroom and Top Rank would've been happy matching their champions against the more popular Ramirez. It is more reasonable if Oscar Dela Hoya was trying to buy more time for Zurdo as WBO, IBF, WBC, and lineal champion Artur Beterbiev is getting older. IMO, Bivol was never the main target at light-heavyweight.

Bivol will always come with surprising techniques to beat his opponents and it would be another surprising fight from him in this upcoming fight against Ramirez. They are both undefeated and it would really hard to predict how the fight will gonna end it would be a dramatic ending for the one who will lose because his record will lose its clean scenery. Anyway, it's not that bad because they will gonna fight who is deserving to stop their streak for years.

I don't think there is a surprised with Bivol technique, when he beat Canelo it was known that Bivol throws a lot of jab and combinations, boxing analyst says that but they didn't see the Bivol will completely overwhelm Canelo with that style because Canelo has fought a lot of boxers with that kind of style. But Bivol is very different and talented that's why Canelo was caught by surprised and he can't executed his game plan. So Ramirez should prepare with that kind of version of Bivol as well, light on his fight and then he will throw 2-5 shots in successions.

It's not Bivol's technique which is surprising really, the surprising thing is that he managed to upset the current pound-for-pound king, Canelo Alvarez. I'm also surprised how Bivol managed to outboxed Canelo each round until the latter can't hide his frustrations anymore because Canelo doesn't know what to do anymore as he frequently gets jabbed after each attack he'll try to deliver.

This time, Bivol is the smaller one compared to Zurdo Ramirez which had the height and reach advantage. I'm curious how would Bivol perform against a boxer that is much taller than him.

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Quote from: harizen on September 11, 2022, 02:14:16 AM

What do you guys think about Ramirez claiming that this fight took so long to materialized because Bivol's camp is afraid with him.

Is it LOL or it makes sense? Might be true that there are hindrances but I think it's not about Bivol is afraid with him.

That's too much to think on their side.

We don't know that for sure because we haven't known some news in the light-heavy as we're fed up speculating about some other fights in lower weight classes. Maybe it's true or maybe not but that should not matter anymore as they are now scheduled for a fight this coming 5th of November and they are both of the same age, Zurdo should display what is he made of because we already know how strong Bivol is. This should be a good fight!

No way Bivol is scared of Ramirez. It is true that Ramirez's title shot at light heavyweight took so long but it is not Bivol nor Beterbiev's fault. Matchroom and Top Rank would've been happy matching their champions against the more popular Ramirez. It is more reasonable if Oscar Dela Hoya was trying to buy more time for Zurdo as WBO, IBF, WBC, and lineal champion Artur Beterbiev is getting older. IMO, Bivol was never the main target at light-heavyweight.

But somehow I'm glad the WBA was able to mandate this fight. Bivol-Ramirez is the more doable fight as both are with DAZN whereas Beterbiev is with ESPN.

Meanwhile, the Betebiev-Yarde fight in the UK was postponed after the champion was injured. The fight was expected to happen early next year. That sucks.

We cannot really know that for sure and also, I think that rumor was just a hoax but as I said, that shouldn't matter now because they will share a ring together soon and both of them should display what they are made of because the winner will face the 3-belt holder Beterbiev.

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Meanwhile, the Betebiev-Yarde fight in the UK was postponed after the champion was injured. The fight was expected to happen early next year. That sucks.

Yes, that is really unfortunate for Beterbiev but I don't know the nature of his injury as Top Rank hasn't disclosed any information regarding Beterbiev's injury. Too bad because I'm already looking forward that we could see an undisputed fight in LHW early next year.

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Quote from: yazher on September 14, 2022, 07:20:27 AM

Quote from: inthelongrun on September 14, 2022, 06:53:26 AM

No way Bivol is scared of Ramirez. It is true that Ramirez's title shot at light heavyweight took so long but it is not Bivol nor Beterbiev's fault. Matchroom and Top Rank would've been happy matching their champions against the more popular Ramirez. It is more reasonable if Oscar Dela Hoya was trying to buy more time for Zurdo as WBO, IBF, WBC, and lineal champion Artur Beterbiev is getting older. IMO, Bivol was never the main target at light-heavyweight.

Bivol will always come with surprising techniques to beat his opponents and it would be another surprising fight from him in this upcoming fight against Ramirez. They are both undefeated and it would really hard to predict how the fight will gonna end it would be a dramatic ending for the one who will lose because his record will lose its clean scenery. Anyway, it's not that bad because they will gonna fight who is deserving to stop their streak for years.

I don't think there is a surprised with Bivol technique, when he beat Canelo it was known that Bivol throws a lot of jab and combinations, boxing analyst says that but they didn't see the Bivol will completely overwhelm Canelo with that style because Canelo has fought a lot of boxers with that kind of style. But Bivol is very different and talented that's why Canelo was caught by surprised and he can't executed his game plan. So Ramirez should prepare with that kind of version of Bivol as well, light on his fight and then he will throw 2-5 shots in successions.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on September 14, 2022, 06:53:26 AM

No way Bivol is scared of Ramirez. It is true that Ramirez's title shot at light heavyweight took so long but it is not Bivol nor Beterbiev's fault. Matchroom and Top Rank would've been happy matching their champions against the more popular Ramirez. It is more reasonable if Oscar Dela Hoya was trying to buy more time for Zurdo as WBO, IBF, WBC, and lineal champion Artur Beterbiev is getting older. IMO, Bivol was never the main target at light-heavyweight.

Bivol will always come with surprising techniques to beat his opponents and it would be another surprising fight from him in this upcoming fight against Ramirez. They are both undefeated and it would really hard to predict how the fight will gonna end it would be a dramatic ending for the one who will lose because his record will lose its clean scenery. Anyway, it's not that bad because they will gonna fight who is deserving to stop their streak for years.

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What do you guys think about Ramirez claiming that this fight took so long to materialized because Bivol's camp is afraid with him.

Is it LOL or it makes sense? Might be true that there are hindrances but I think it's not about Bivol is afraid with him.

That's too much to think on their side.

We don't know that for sure because we haven't known some news in the light-heavy as we're fed up speculating about some other fights in lower weight classes. Maybe it's true or maybe not but that should not matter anymore as they are now scheduled for a fight this coming 5th of November and they are both of the same age, Zurdo should display what is he made of because we already know how strong Bivol is. This should be a good fight!

No way Bivol is scared of Ramirez. It is true that Ramirez's title shot at light heavyweight took so long but it is not Bivol nor Beterbiev's fault. Matchroom and Top Rank would've been happy matching their champions against the more popular Ramirez. It is more reasonable if Oscar Dela Hoya was trying to buy more time for Zurdo as WBO, IBF, WBC, and lineal champion Artur Beterbiev is getting older. IMO, Bivol was never the main target at light-heavyweight.

But somehow I'm glad the WBA was able to mandate this fight. Bivol-Ramirez is the more doable fight as both are with DAZN whereas Beterbiev is with ESPN.

Meanwhile, the Betebiev-Yarde fight in the UK was postponed after the champion was injured. The fight was expected to happen early next year. That sucks.

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Quote from: harizen on September 11, 2022, 02:14:16 AM

What do you guys think about Ramirez claiming that this fight took so long to materialized because Bivol's camp is afraid with him.

Is it LOL or it makes sense? Might be true that there are hindrances but I think it's not about Bivol is afraid with him.

That's too much to think on their side.

We don't know that for sure because we haven't known some news in the light-heavy as we're fed up speculating about some other fights in lower weight classes. Maybe it's true or maybe not but that should not matter anymore as they are now scheduled for a fight this coming 5th of November and they are both of the same age, Zurdo should display what is he made of because we already know how strong Bivol is. This should be a good fight!

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Quote from: Reatim on September 09, 2022, 10:08:45 PM

looking or watching about the last fight of Bivol against Canelo? this gives him popularity and more accurate trust from fans and bettors because Canelo is one of the toughest and yes he beat the man.
so i cannot blame the majority who votes for Him in this Poll but I still want to see how ramirez will comply to this bout.
seeing this to happen is another best fight of the year and also waitinfg for the rematch against canelo .

That's true because I don't think that the users in this forum have already heard Dmitrii Bivol's name even before he got a fight against Canelo Alvarez and actually, Bivol's name just exploded when he defeated the pound-for-pound king, Canelo. In fact, I haven't even followed the fights in light-heavyweight in the past too or the fact that Beterbiev who have the remaining 3 belts in the said division has a flawless record while winning all bouts by a way of KO and TKO.

I just started following this division when Canelo has fought Bivol recently and just realized that there are good fights happening in this division. Anyway back to the fight, Zurdo cannot be underestimated because his record can speak for that and I believe that this fight will be much entertaining and explosive to see because the winner will get the chance of fighting Beterbiev next in an undisputed fight.

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Quote from: Reatim on September 09, 2022, 10:08:45 PM

looking or watching about the last fight of Bivol against Canelo? this gives him popularity and more accurate trust from fans and bettors because Canelo is one of the toughest and yes he beat the man.
so i cannot blame the majority who votes for Him in this Poll but I still want to see how ramirez will comply to this bout.
seeing this to happen is another best fight of the year and also waitinfg for the rematch against canelo .

Except the Bivol-Canelo fight, It is very evident that Zurdo is a bit slower compared to Bivol.
I have not watched Ramirez fights, instead I watched his highlights. It seems like he's fighting majority of those guys has no defense and let themselves open for any kind of punches.
Well, Bivol is different that those guys. He is faster and agile, not an easy target and has a good defense. Also, knows how to beat his opponent on the safer side.
I honestly, don't see Zurdo winning this match, as he usually have huge swings and is reliable on his right hand punches. Though he's got a good punching power, but that won't be enough I guess.
Nevertheless, this will still be a good fight to watch.

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Quote from: Saisher on September 11, 2022, 07:28:11 PM

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Boxing record:
Dmitry Bivol 20-0-11 KOs
Zurdo Ramirez 44-0-30 KOs

I became a fan of Bivol after schooling Canelo in their fight and now he is up against a legit challenger in Ramirez he will have his hands full again, it's very interesting and exciting to watch when both undefeated fighters are fighting not only to keep their 0 in their record but for the title as well, I don't know much about Zurdo but his records will speak for itself, based on what I saw on Youtube he is a legit challenger and a big threat to Bivol's title and reputation.

He already carved up his name in history for defeating Canelo, who is supposed to just steamroll everyone at 175 lbs. So yeah, some of us here become a fan of him.

And we would a believer if he beats a tough opponent in Ramirez and see how great Bivol is. Perhaps next for him is either Beterviev for unification or a rematch with Canelo Alvarez.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on August 22, 2022, 09:14:58 AM

Boxing record:
Dmitry Bivol 20-0-11 KOs
Zurdo Ramirez 44-0-30 KOs

I became a fan of Bivol after schooling Canelo in their fight and now he is up against a legit challenger in Ramirez he will have his hands full again, it's very interesting and exciting to watch when both undefeated fighters are fighting not only to keep their 0 in their record but for the title as well, I don't know much about Zurdo but his records will speak for itself, based on what I saw on Youtube he is a legit challenger and a big threat to Bivol's title and reputation.

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Quote from: Reatim on September 09, 2022, 10:08:45 PM

looking or watching about the last fight of Bivol against Canelo? this gives him popularity and more accurate trust from fans and bettors because Canelo is one of the toughest and yes he beat the man.
so i cannot blame the majority who votes for Him in this Poll but I still want to see how ramirez will comply to this bout.
seeing this to happen is another best fight of the year and also waitinfg for the rematch against canelo .

There is no doubt that Bivol popularity raised because he able to beat a a big name, Canelo Alvarez, who prior to their fight, it was expected to be a landslide victory for Canelo. Bivol erased all the doubts and shows us what he got.

Ramirez might be considered as a heavy opponent for Bivol but the way he surprised us against Canelo, I'm sure he will do the same against Ramirez.

We didn't see yet the full strength of Bivol as he's not seen struggling against Canelo.

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Quote from: harizen on September 11, 2022, 02:14:16 AM

What do you guys think about Ramirez claiming that this fight took so long to materialized because Bivol's camp is afraid with him.

Is it LOL or it makes sense? Might be true that there are hindrances but I think it's not about Bivol is afraid with him.

That's too much to think on their side.

If we disregard the boxer's ability and just look at the boxer's record then it makes sense. Since Ramirez record shows more fighting experience and KO percentage. But patching all together, it is somehow like LOL. But who knows, often times manager and promoters often avoid matching an opponent that may defeat their boxer. If it isn't for the WBA ordering Bivol to have a defense against Ramirez, I doubt this fight will happen.

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Quote from: Dave1 on September 09, 2022, 10:38:13 PM

And that could be the biggest drawback for Zurdo, he is too big and more so, he might be a bit slower that Bivol. and we have witnessed Bivol's movement, he is fast in his feet and knows how to cut the ring.

I think in boxing, being big is not just with the height but with how big their body built is. In terms of built, Bivol and Zurdo seems just the same. I never considering their respective height as an advantage or disadvantage. These both boxers instead will end up testing their respective skills to each other and for who will be the last man standing is obviously the winner.

It's hard for me to choose who is the better one. They are a best match for me.

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Quote from: harizen on September 11, 2022, 02:14:16 AM

What do you guys think about Ramirez claiming that this fight took so long to materialized because Bivol's camp is afraid with him.

Is it LOL or it makes sense? Might be true that there are hindrances but I think it's not about Bivol is afraid with him.

That's too much to think on their side.

Yep, IMO he didn't even proving anything since he haven't proving anything on light heavyweight division, he might proving he able to defending his WBO super middleweight for 5 times, but this is different since the boxers are different too.

As we know Bivol have beat Canelo who ever become top pound for pound boxer once, I think Bivol have a good personality and mentality to fight against a boxer who people think that better than him. So any trash talk from Ramirez would never work.

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If the same Bivol from how we saw him beating Canelo, the chance of winning is high for Bivol here. But like what you mentioned, we can't take Ramirez for granted. He's here, and he deserves that respect knowing that if he corner Bivol he can beat him and knock him down.

Fighters is good as their last fight, so we will assumed that we will see the same version of Bivol in the Canelo fight. Very fast in his hands and feet, and throwing a lot of jabs because that what he is known of. And it is very effective strategy to keep Canelo at bay. And even if Canelo keeps coming at him, he always has the answer and the last punch. So if that is what we will going to see against Zurdo Ramirez, then chances are high that it will be another decision win for Bivol.

Unless Ramirez have a good strategy to surprise Bivol or his long hands able to counter those jabs, we never know what will be the scene when they already both inside the ring. The outcome will be depends from how preapred the fighter, even there's a bookies favorite whoever they sided between these two figthers, fans and gamblers will be there to support this match.

Quote from: harizen on September 11, 2022, 02:14:16 AM

What do you guys think about Ramirez claiming that this fight took so long to materialized because Bivol's camp is afraid with him.

Is it LOL or it makes sense? Might be true that there are hindrances but I think it's not about Bivol is afraid with him.

That's too much to think on their side.

What a good forecast for engaged followers and readers, not sure about the authenticity of this, but who knows? Maybe he's also
telling the truth, giving him a benefit of the doubt.. But know that the fight was scheduled and they will be meeting inside the ring. We will see who will be the winner between them.

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What do you guys think about Ramirez claiming that this fight took so long to materialized because Bivol's camp is afraid with him.

Is it LOL or it makes sense? Might be true that there are hindrances but I think it's not about Bivol is afraid with him.

That's too much to think on their side.

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Quote from: Fredomago on September 09, 2022, 12:37:41 PM

If the same Bivol from how we saw him beating Canelo, the chance of winning is high for Bivol here. But like what you mentioned, we can't take Ramirez for granted. He's here, and he deserves that respect knowing that if he corner Bivol he can beat him and knock him down.

Fighters is good as their last fight, so we will assumed that we will see the same version of Bivol in the Canelo fight. Very fast in his hands and feet, and throwing a lot of jabs because that what he is known of. And it is very effective strategy to keep Canelo at bay. And even if Canelo keeps coming at him, he always has the answer and the last punch. So if that is what we will going to see against Zurdo Ramirez, then chances are high that it will be another decision win for Bivol.

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If only Ramirez will take advantage of his height and reach against Bivol. But then again, Bivol has a good ring IQ so it may have even it up or Bivol will have the slight advantage because of his footwork.

We cannot really know for sure because Ramirez is also an experienced boxer professionally and already fought boxers in his size in 3 different divisions so I think that will give him some good ring IQ somehow too. I'm not pro-Zurdo either but we can't really underestimate him and Bivol should be more careful this time, and expect that Zurdo will use his advantages.

Both are experienced boxers so that nullifies the advantage of it. Ramirez may have the height advantage and may use it to move around the ring avoiding Bivol's charges, but Bivol's move in cutting the ring will be found as one of important factors of the fight.

Aside from that Ramirez punches aren't that quick/fast and can be easily seen when released, they may be powerful enough to KO Bivol but it won't do anything if they can be blocked or evaded. If Bivol will not get careless on this fight, I think Bivol might end up victorious in the upcoming fight.

I guess there is only one way to find that out, for me, I'll give Zurdo a benefit of the doubt as he also have what it takes to earn his name in this division and might go after Beterbiev if he will be successful in stripping Bivol his belt. But as you said, I cannot also take away the fact that Bivol is truly more agile than Zurdo and that alone might do the trick in outperforming Zurdo.

And that could be the biggest drawback for Zurdo, he is too big and more so, he might be a bit slower that Bivol. and we have witnessed Bivol's movement, he is fast in his feet and knows how to cut the ring.

And in the beginning, it seems that we are not giving Zurdo a chance, although he is undefeated. But maybe he will have few surprises for Bivol to make this fight very close.

Good to see that inside the ring, surprises that he has once they start the fight. I mean, Zurdo is not just a sparring fighter.

he has a name itself and he deserves some respect, though, because we've seen how Bivol beats Alvarez. That's why he's really

been favored by many. Let us witness how they will bring entertainment to fans once they are inside the ring.

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If only Ramirez will take advantage of his height and reach against Bivol. But then again, Bivol has a good ring IQ so it may have even it up or Bivol will have the slight advantage because of his footwork.

We cannot really know for sure because Ramirez is also an experienced boxer professionally and already fought boxers in his size in 3 different divisions so I think that will give him some good ring IQ somehow too. I'm not pro-Zurdo either but we can't really underestimate him and Bivol should be more careful this time, and expect that Zurdo will use his advantages.

Both are experienced boxers so that nullifies the advantage of it. Ramirez may have the height advantage and may use it to move around the ring avoiding Bivol's charges, but Bivol's move in cutting the ring will be found as one of important factors of the fight.

Aside from that Ramirez punches aren't that quick/fast and can be easily seen when released, they may be powerful enough to KO Bivol but it won't do anything if they can be blocked or evaded. If Bivol will not get careless on this fight, I think Bivol might end up victorious in the upcoming fight.

I guess there is only one way to find that out, for me, I'll give Zurdo a benefit of the doubt as he also have what it takes to earn his name in this division and might go after Beterbiev if he will be successful in stripping Bivol his belt. But as you said, I cannot also take away the fact that Bivol is truly more agile than Zurdo and that alone might do the trick in outperforming Zurdo.

And that could be the biggest drawback for Zurdo, he is too big and more so, he might be a bit slower that Bivol. and we have witnessed Bivol's movement, he is fast in his feet and knows how to cut the ring.

And in the beginning, it seems that we are not giving Zurdo a chance, although he is undefeated. But maybe he will have few surprises for Bivol to make this fight very close.

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