Topic: Boxing: Dmitry Bivol vs Zurdo Ramirez - page 14. (Read 6639 times)

Alright, is my understanding is correct here?

If Zurdo Ramirez will win the fight here, is he will be the one that Canelo will now faced?

Correct me if I'm wrong as it seems it's not sense to have a rematch with Bivol if he will lose here.

Indeed! They won't be showcasing Canelo if his presence in the ring won't fill the promoter's pockets, he's been one of the few favorites because giving him a fight also meant that the organizers and promoters will have millions of dollars, guaranteed! Canelo probably knew that fact and surely he loved it.

I think I don't have the same expression because I already expected that Canelo will win the fight, I mean, he have the most advantages than Golovkin. Surely he will do everything to avoid getting defeated twice in a row especially this time that his foe is already on the verge of his retirement.

Well, those stated names above can try their luck in going against the current Canelo Alvarez but I don't think there's any boxer that can defeat him for now in his most comfortable division.

Yes, as I have said, Canelo winning against GGG proved his greatness again, so even Eubanks who is campaigning at 160 is calling Canelo now, or Benavidez, who also wanted the fight and says that Canelo is avoiding him. And then you will hear noises saying that Benavidez has a fighting chance because he is younger than Canelo, but we will see. No one has really put a dent on Canelo's chin, even Bivol at 175 lbs can't crack Canelo's chin. So it will be very hard from anyone in the 168 lbs to break Canelo at this point. He is still in his prime, so the best move for him is Bivol, he just need to win his fight against Ramirez to set it up next year for his biggest payday.

More on the money side, Canelo is a magnet when in terms of viewers. like what you have said, fighting Canelo will ensure you with a huge amount of money inside your pocket, no doubt about the very reason why promoters really love brining him in the ring.


After Bivol beats Canelo, his name now is on the top, simply agree with that trophy thing, a big exposure for Bivol after winning.

We cannot really blame them because having a fight with Canelo will also mean that your pockets will balloon because of the revenue that the fight can generate. Also, because of that fact, Canelo is already viewed as a trophy that they'd risk to get because defeating Canelo will indeed lift their names but unfortunately, defeating Canelo is hard to do and only a handful of boxers managed to do it.

This is very interesting, for me Bivol is at a great level, if in fact, the fight against Canlo made him launch himself towards fame, and that is why in the Canelo and GGG thread I said that this fight would have been much more exciting if Both Canelo and GGG would have gone undefeated, but with Bivol's victory over him, the iconic fight is already against Artur Beterbiev, who for me is a very strong boxer, who is not like CVnelo, for me that boxer has a high level and I think he can make a difference if he puts his mind to it, this is without a doubt a high caliber boxer, I think we could be talking about how this fight could put the Russian in danger.

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In another order of ideas, this whole fight for me is important from the point of view that many things could be done if Canelo is won with GGG, for me the core of all this is that Canelo can have his fight against Bivol again, and the fight against Zurdo for now with Bivol sa to appease and keep him in shape, of course, all this if and only if Bivol maintains his leadership by not letting Zurdo and Canelo win if he beats GGG, which, an opposite result I could change all this and turn it around so that the organizers think of much more attractive fights in terms of money and give the fans less satisfaction.

Right, all roads lead to Canelo now, that's why everyone wanted to fight him and win in the lottery. And you will see that those previous opponents says that they are going to beat Canelo but the opposite happened. And we might say that they completely take a dive, just to check that paycheck hehehe.


Bivol will double his money if he fights Canelo again because he already beat him. But for sure he is going to watch this fight and see if there is that much difference in Canelo when he last fought him.

Fight for the money that's the thing. Manny Pacquiao was once the biggest draw in boxing and whoever he fights will have the chance to earn the biggest purse of his career and the same with Canelo and if ever you got the chance to beat these superstars in boxing it will boost your stocks just like Jeff Horn when he defeated Manny and Bivol when he defeated Canelo.

If Canelo will win tonight's fight, that would be an added motivation for Bivol since he knows that he could earn more during the rematch with Canelo.

Something that much more on the career and fame instead any patriotism type of scene. There's nothing like that with those fighters and for sure he has his own path to track. Canelo's failed try will let him aim for more. I'm pretty sure that Canelo is not done yet. He might re-try after his trilogy with GGG and if ever, Bivol will manage to protect his belt again from this division.

It will be more interesting upcoming fights that fans will expect from this sport, with those champs clashing with one another a good fight that will bring more entertainment to both fans and gamblers all around.

We also have to look at their opposition, that opponents that they have face before and the boxers that they have knockout. Maybe Zurdo opponents is easily be knock out or that Bivol's faces tougher opponent like Canelo, he didn't knock him out but he should good ring IQ and volume punching.

So we can't just look at the records, although it is a good number to look, but it's not the end of it all.


Yes, I don't think there is that narrative behind Zurdo. On the contrary, Canelo says he doesn't want to fight him, but Zurdo says he is looking to fight Canelo even though they are both Mexicans.

I have the links, if you care enough to browse the link and read the article, probably your reply would be different.  But for your convenience, I'll quote it out for you.


Ramirez has a good knock-out percentage so we cannot deny the fact that he has power.  Ramirez's camp stated that Bivol had been evading him for years and that they are happy that they are able to face Bivol through the order of the boxing authority. 

I'm inclined to say the same way for Ramirez too, his power is also underrated and his knockout rate is much higher than Bivol. Don't get me wrong because I'm not siding with Ramirez but we can't be underestimating him just because Bivol managed to dominate Canelo and gave some struggles to other boxers who are much taller than him. And as for strategy, Zurdo's camp is surely watching Bivol's recent matches to make a game plan on how to outbox the current WBA champion by speed or by volume.

Yup, Zurdo fighting with Bivol now has nothing to do with Canelo's defeat nor avenging his fellow countryman, people should know that there's no vendetta kind of thing between Mexican boxers in case one of their own gets defeated and then someone will step up for revenge.

Zurdo is taking aim with Bivol to carve his own legacy because Bivol is his ticket to get an undisputed fight with Artur Beterbiev.

We can give credit to Bivol's camp by seeing the gap in Canelos fighting style.  Bivol's camp really did well on the strategy against Canelo.  For sure among the videos they watched, they had noticed the weakness of Canelo during Mayweather Jr's fight.  And the same strategy is implemented to Canelo.  Sadly Canelo's camp failed to take notice of those possible exploits and they keep on their natural/regular strategem which is proven to be not enough. 

I think Bivol's camp will play a huge roll on this fight, hopefully they can find a strategy that will render Ramirez looks inferior among the two boxers.

Not true. There's no way Zurdo has a thought to avenge Canelo from Bivol. I don't see how he will do that as he has his own legacy.

Zurdo was even disappointed with Canelo as the latter is not giving him a chance to fight him because Canelo doesn't want to fight his fellow countryman.

And for Mexicans, there's no avenging thing or stuff. During the time their boxers are beaten badly by Manny Pacquiao, those Mexicans are fighting to have a big achievement by defeating Manny, not to avenge their fellowman that got beaten by Manny.

True, Zurdo may be training hard to have the agility and quick reflexes to defeat Bivol.  We know that both camps are trying their best to figure out ways to exploit the weaknesses of their opponent.  We never know things until it happens, we can speculate and speak out our idea but the truth will come out the moment these fighters face each other in the ring.  Besides this match is made possible by the WBA by formally ordering the title fight[1].  Zurdo is also motivated by the thought of avenging his fellow countryman Canelo. [2]

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[1] https://www.boxingscene.com/zurdo-ramirez-i-feel-like-bivols-team-want-him-fight-me-they-know-he-lose--168908
[2] https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxing/article-11169511/Gilberto-Zurdo-Ramirez-vows-dethrone-Dmitry-Bivol-taking-aim-Canelo.html

Well, you guys got some point and we cannot really take away that fact because Bivol has able to maintain his pretty record until now. We also witnessed recently how Bivol made Canelo an average boxer in our eyes and made the latter struggle in every action he's making until the very last round, throwing punches by volume together with his speed is somehow his forte that will make his opponent confuse. Well see this time if Zurdo will struggle too.

We cannot know that for sure because the guy has been climbing 3 divisions and still keeps on winning, so that means that he is somehow comfortable and agile in light-heavy because of that fact. Nevertheless, it's still best if we won't underestimate Zurdo first and let him show his strength towards the defending champion, Bivol.

Well then he and his team device a plan to upset Canelo's power by building up his punching volume in this fight. So that is technique already, throwing a lot and making Canelo fight the distance and making him uncomfortable. So that speaks about this technique already. He outboxed him in the entirety of the fight. No boxer have done that to him except Floyd Mayweather. And then when he is going to fight a taller guy, for sure his team and trainer will lay another strategy and technique and then practice it in sparring and test it in the match to see if it is effective or not. If not, then probably Bivol will have to readjust in game.

Yeah, he has experienced fighting taller guys so he is more familiar with how he is going to beat them. And it just shows how good Bivol's boxing IQ is, because he was able to adjust to any fighter regardless if his is at a advantage or disadvantage.

His power is underrated though, it has sting, it's that Canelo has a tougher chin. So what he do is throw a lot of punch, in bunch and volume to confused Canelo. And so he might stay with the same strategy and see how it will do damage to Ramirez, total accumulation of punches.