Topic: Boxing: Errol Spence vs Keith Thurman - page 38. (Read 7317 times)

But you can see that after he was beaten by Manny, it took him some time to recover and bounce back, and who is his opponent when he try to make a comeback? Mario Barrios who is not a natural 147 lbs.

So that alone is already a contention as to why he cherry pick Barrios. But I guess he was just lucky that he is still with PBC and so he was given the green light or at least being mandated to fight Spence. So it's a question whether he still has the fire or not, but hopefully the hunger is still inside of him in this fight.

For sure Spence team knows that, and Spence also throws a lot of body punch in the Ugas fight and we can see that it has power behind because Ugas will react and then tuck his elbow under him for protection.

So Spence is a good to decent body puncher, base on his stats against Ugas:

216 punches thrown, 70/784 = 27.6 %

So maybe a couple of body shots might hurt Thurman here. But still though, this is going to be a very close fight that might go to the scorecard.

We are talking about the about of body shots that Thurman might absorb against Spence, not injury or something. I do agree that he survived against Pacman, but as you can see he started to slow down when he is hit in the body.

Here is the video of Thurman almost getting knock down by Manny's body punch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5g8152wanVI

And for the record, we didn't say that he has a body weakness, he himself admitted to that even after his last fight 9 months ago against Barrios:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRgAIzN4RDc

Listen to him post fight interview, he says that he felt different when he is touch on that part of his body, and that maybe his liver is sensitive.

And this is the video of that body shot: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/JdUX1oP-I90

So it's a weakness that he has and no amount of training can strengthen his body to take blows.

And if Spence team is really that good, they will exploit it from the first round, uppercut to the body, any shot that will land in his liver/stomach.

Thurman survived against Pacman despite that 1st round knockdown, so I don't think Thurman here will allow Spence to exploit his weakness. Thurman has probably recovered already from his injury and has prepared for his comeback, so I don't really think that Spence aiming at Thurman's body would be a great strategy.

Thurman survived against Pacman despite that 1st round knockdown, so I don't think Thurman here will allow Spence to exploit his weakness. Thurman has probably recovered already from his injury and has prepared for his comeback, so I don't really think that Spence aiming at Thurman's body would be a great strategy.

For sure Spence team knows that, and Spence also throws a lot of body punch in the Ugas fight and we can see that it has power behind because Ugas will react and then tuck his elbow under him for protection.

So Spence is a good to decent body puncher, base on his stats against Ugas:

216 punches thrown, 70/784 = 27.6 %

So maybe a couple of body shots might hurt Thurman here. But still though, this is going to be a very close fight that might go to the scorecard.

For sure Spence team knows that, and Spence also throws a lot of body punch in the Ugas fight and we can see that it has power behind because Ugas will react and then tuck his elbow under him for protection.

So Spence is a good to decent body puncher, base on his stats against Ugas:

216 punches thrown, 70/784 = 27.6 %

So maybe a couple of body shots might hurt Thurman here. But still though, this is going to be a very close fight that might go to the scorecard.

^^ Yes, even in the Pacquiao fight, his training or at least when he do the his drills, he is somewhat very slow and not that agile. Maybe that's how Thurman's training is, not focusing on the speed but power because he want's to try to knockout his opponent, and even before he was knock down or lost the fight to Manny, he is known to have that punching power.

So there's no difference it training at all for him, but I think he is more faster that Ugas that Spence recently beat. But has more power behind it. He had Manny in trouble in the later rounds, it's that his weakness was a body punch and when Manny hit him in the stomach, he somewhat wince, meaning he is affected.

But you can see that after he was beaten by Manny, it took him some time to recover and bounce back, and who is his opponent when he try to make a comeback? Mario Barrios who is not a natural 147 lbs.

So that alone is already a contention as to why he cherry pick Barrios. But I guess he was just lucky that he is still with PBC and so he was given the green light or at least being mandated to fight Spence. So it's a question whether he still has the fire or not, but hopefully the hunger is still inside of him in this fight.

Thurman had shown the world that he is really better than Porter.  He beats the younger Porter via a unanimous decision.  That is enough to say that Thurman is better than Porter.  With regards to Spence vs. Porter, Spence did knock down porter but their fight is decided via split position which makes me think that if Porter has not been KD in that fight, Porter could have won the match. And about Crawford and Porter, Crawford won the fight via TKO in round 10, Crawford is way better technically against Porter, he read Porter's movement and was just toying with Porter on the early rounds.  See how Crawford smiles and laugh whenever they clash and clinch.  So I think Crawford is a better boxer than Thurman and I believe even if compared to Spence.

At first glance I see Thurman continuing to practice to anticipate and hone his skills, if Thurman & Spence officially box in the ring in the future, Thurman understands quite well some of Errol Spence's attacks on his opponent.

I remember that at that time Thurman had refused Spence's offer, but if you look at the events that have happened between the two of them, it is clear whether this boxing is official or not depends on Errol Spence's decision, if he hadn't made fun of or held a grudge against Thurman a while ago.

Some experts and boxing experts predict, if Errol Spence forgets what happened between the two and Errol Spence doesn't hold grudges and is selfish in this boxing, of course he will get the best ticket to fight Thurman in the future, that's all if Spence doesn't change his mind.

I know that prime Thurman is capable of beating Spence. We'll see mate if Thurman's fire returns to its former glory days. He isn't that old but he needs hunger and motivation in order to beat Spence.

I heard the rumors before but I haven't paid much attention. But I did follow Thurman a lot during championship days. Thurman from the past was so hungry, eager, and determined. I actually like him when he was being honest and verbally threw offensive remarks to his own handlers (PBC and Showtime) and to Floyd Mayweather jr. who kept the belts hostage from mandatories, ranked 1 contenders, and Thurman as then the WBA regular champion. Thurman was obviously mad and disgruntled as to why he isn't getting a shot at the real belts. I am not even sure if Spence's challenge was for real and at that time he ain't a champion either so Thurman won't get anything if he wins. And Thurman was right, if you want to be the best then why wasn't Spence challenging Mayweather at that time.

This is the same scenario right now, overdue title shots for the next generation of prospects; WBA regular champion Eimantas Stanionis and top 1 ranked contenders Vergil Ortiz and Boots Ennis. The WBA now mandated both Stanionis and Ortiz to face each other and the winner gets the Super WBA belt held by Spence. I doubt it happens though, why would Stanionis face a mandatory when he is already the regular champ, he should get Spence right away. The same situation for Ortiz, he gets nothing fighting Stanionis, it's a fake belt. I don't think Spence would want to fight these young undefeated contenders that are too risky, he rather move up and try to become a 2 division champion for his legacy. 

Thurman had shown the world that he is really better than Porter.  He beats the younger Porter via a unanimous decision.  That is enough to say that Thurman is better than Porter.  With regards to Spence vs. Porter, Spence did knock down porter but their fight is decided via split position which makes me think that if Porter has not been KD in that fight, Porter could have won the match. And about Crawford and Porter, Crawford won the fight via TKO in round 10, Crawford is way better technically against Porter, he read Porter's movement and was just toying with Porter on the early rounds.  See how Crawford smiles and laugh whenever they clash and clinch.  So I think Crawford is a better boxer than Thurman and I believe even if compared to Spence.

True, Crawford did not dominate Porter although he won the fight, so we can expect that Crawford will have a tougher fight against Thurman because IMO, Thurman is way better than Porter. In terms of stamina, I believe Thurman still has it, so I'm not really sure if what the majority think will happen, I guess we are going to see an upset.

Yes, Thurman is Crawford is going to be huge, it will be the same as Crawford vs Porter and bigger than Crawford vs Ugas. A

This makes things more interesting because Spence is now more oblige to fight Thurman, he obviously cannot make some priorities on that revenge that he might be wanted because that will be an expensive mistake that will cost him 2 belts and there's a high chance that the IBF will follow as well, if that happens, all 3 belts is now on the line. Keith will surely be excited because things are getting into his favor, now the only thing he needed to do is to defeat Spence.