Topic: [ BOXING FURY WON IN ROUND 6 ]: FURY vs WHYTE - THE FIGHT (Read 1719 times)

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It seems there's something brewing in the Fury camp given what he's been saying the past couple of days and he's been doing a lot of media. His next fight might only be an exhibition but as I said before, this retirement talk is almost certainly just part of Fury's game plan to squeeze as much possible money out of his next fight. He's "retired", but not if someone offers him half a billion which is pretty much what he said recently. Of course getting that sort of money almost certainly won't happen but I'm sure he's willing to negotiate. Start high and see what the best offers are. I think it's safe to assume that we will likely see Tyson fighting again. There's going to be far too much money on the line for a unification fight for all the belts. Probably not anywhere near 500k but he will end up with at least 100k minimum, maybe even double that if he wins. I don't think either Usyk or AJ will trouble him too much either so I think it will be a silly move to walk away from all the belts especially when there's not much risk on the line and that fight will be by far his biggest payday.

I also think Fury would beat Joshua and Usyk but if only one of them has the belts for a unification fight why would be bother fighting the other? Seriously, if Fury has a unification fight with Usyk and wins, why would he fight a belt-less Joshua while himself risking all of the unified belts? It would not mean ducking one or the other but if there is no desperation on his part Fury should not bother.

If Joshua defeats Usyk then that all British unification fight will be a much anticipated encounter but  a legacy fight between the two with neither having belts on the line would not have the same impact as it would have done when they first had the opportunity to fight a long time ago.


I understand what you wrote about exhibition fights. I would not want Joshua or Fury get in the ring in their 50s  

If Fury gets back in the ring, the easy part would be to fight the winner of the Usyk vs Joshua fight for a unification bout but the dilemma for him would be fighting the loser of that fight and offering them another chance.

Having said that Fury has maintained on Twitter just today that he is done with boxing therefore any unification or legacy cementing fight is probably never going to happen.

Fury said: "I am very happy and contented to be retired. It's been a long time coming and I am so much enjoying my retirement": SKYSPORTS

He doesn't have to, but I think a big complaint boxing fans tend to have is that a lot of the big fights that people want to see never end up happening, or they don't happen in their prime. Undefeated fighters often will duck fights for obvious reasons of not wanting to potentially lose their record, or disputes over money mean the contracts never get signed as both parties want bigger cuts. People have been wanting the AJ/Fury fight for probably near a decade. I don't think for one second Fury would duck that fight, but it's easier to walk away undefeated. When there's still people like Usyk to beat I can't see why he'd walk away. I think Fury beats both AJ and Usyk, though Usyk would be more difficult. I could see that fight going the distance. I just feel like Fury still is at his peak and has a good few years left in him before he walks away and doing so now when there's still good fights to be made is disappointing and he's walking away from the chance to cement his legacy further. I'm almost certain that even if Fury steps away from boxing for a number of years he'll just end up doing what most boxers do and end up doing exhibition matches way past their prime just for the money. Fight Usyk and/or AJ, do the blockbuster fight with Ngannou and then call it quits. I'd much rather see that happen than a 40/50 year old Tyson box and 40/50 year old AJ cos they're desperate for some cash.

To be versatile wont really be that bad as a fighter or boxer since you could really make out some adjustments if you do really want to but its true that its hard on adjusting into something which you arent really get
used to and since each fighter does have its own style then your mind could say about specific strategy or technicality but your body wont really be getting used to on such change of action.
I've seen that Wallin vs fight which you do actually have the point that being more faster would be significant on beating up Fury but of course it wont be that simple.

I think the opposite. For me, Fury does not have to beat Joshua for the sake of his legacy.

With the belts, Joshua needs Fury both a big massive pay day and the opportunity to get hold of his belts. If he wins he will brag about it and if he gets beaten he will play it the same way he did when he was beaten by Ruiz and Usyk. Without the belts, Joshua would not want to get in to the ring with Fury because he knows he will face another defeat.

Keeping these opinions aside, what do you think the outcome of a Fury vs Joshua fight will be?

What happens is that adjusting your fighting style is not something easy to do at all, most boxers choose a style and then they stick to it and they try to master it instead of becoming more flexible and using different fighting styles, and even Tyson had problems with his own style when his trainer and adoptive father Cus D’Amato died, he fired his trainer Rooney and trainers that did not knew how to train him on his style were hired, do I think prime Tyson would beat prime Fury? Yes, but prime Tyson is one of the best boxers we have ever seen.

Well if he beats more people he's only going to cement his legacy. I think walking away now is a bit of a cop out when there's still a good few fighters he hasn't fought. Usyk would probably be the trickiest for him but if he beats him and unifies all the belts that's another huge career milestone. He could then walk away and vacate having nothing else left to prove. With or without the belts the AJ match it still the fight Brits want to see. It would be even better with the belts though.


I think Ngannou is by far the biggest hitter in the UFC and he's surely got to be one of the biggest draws outside of McGregor as well so the cross promo fight with Fury makes a lot of sense to me. Maybe Ngannou should rematch the Derrick Lewis fight at some point as that was one of the worst UFC fighters ever with both fighters failing to commit. Hardly any punches were thrown let alone landed.


I agree. I want to see him fight Aj/Usyk (or both)) and then Ngannou. I think he wins them all. I don't think it's out of the question for AJ to win the belts back somehow but the odds are stacked against him. Hopefully he's working on changing his game plan for the rematch as he's going to have to do something different.


Fuck wrestling. It's cringe AF. Doing stuff like that makes me disbelieve him when he says he doesn't care about money because he's only doing that for the money and he isn't going to agree to a storyline that he loses or makes him look bad.

Am not saying Fury is not a great boxer. Am only saying that he could easily be beaten. Any boxer who is very fast with his hands and has great leg work and can fight from the inside can cause a serious problem for Fury. Did you watch that YouTube video of his fight with Otto Wallin? If you did not, pls watch it and see how Wallin troubled him. Or you think if Fury had fought Mike Tyson at his prime he would not have been beaten?

Easy to say on doing with in-fighting against Fury which you see that Fury is good when it comes on making out adjustments.If he do sense about in-fighting stance on which obviously he would really be having

disadvantage then he do easily skips out and then try to make out some space to have some good countering and throwing off solid punches making use of reach advantage.

If it were easy to penetrate the defense then his opponent would definitely be doing this but we are seeing the different thing.

Conor McGregor was at the top of UFC winning his second belt when Conor McGregor and Floyd Mayweather started hyping up the match up and even during that period Dana White was not interested in making that match up but since the hype was that high that every Conor McGregor fans started to believe that he could defeat Floyd Mayweather and that is how the match up was made.

Conor McGregor did not plan on defending any of his belts and he was still the champion when he faced Floyd Mayweather.


Francis Ngannou is a scary knockout fighter and he could knockout anyone if he is able to connect but for him to think that he could connect a punch to probably one of the greatest boxer is just a dream.

Here is a SKYSPORTS report about Fury keeping his options open on returning the WWE.




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After Fury's defeat of Whyte I went back to search some of Fury's fights and how he performed in them. Otto Wallin gave Fury a big challenge as I watched his fight https://youtu.be/eh15wZ2zEic. I loved it that someone could draw blood from him. Not even like Wallin is a tall guy. Why are these boxers who are not as tall or big as Fury not fighting him from the inside since they know his reach is longer than theirs? They should learn from that fight and adjust their tactics.

I think Fury wins both, and to be honest I'd like to see it just so we could settle the debate, as there are definitely those that believe Usyk is the better boxer, which he might be, but he has to prove it, beating Joshua who arguably isn't at his best, isn't saying a lot. I'm not saying that Joshua is a easy fight these days or he's past it, I just believe Ruiz really did dent his sort of invincible attitude.

I don't see Joshua beating Usyk on points, for me the only route to victory for him is either knock out or technical knock out, since I don't see him outboxing Usyk, just as I don't see him out boxing Fury. Whatever the result of the fight, I'd still like to see Fury fight both. Both come with their different problems, but Joshua can knockout anyone, and that is at least more exciting to me than the Usyk fight.

As far as Fury is concerned, how would taking that fight and winning it improve his legacy?

I noticed that too. In the Ruiz II fight and against Pulev then Usyk, it seemed as though Joshua was not wanting to either unleash massive punches (hit or miss) or get in to those close fighting positions. He may have won the rematch against Ruiz but he still seems to be affected by what happened.

You are right, Joshua will probably not beat Usyk on a points decision and he does not have what Fury can do which is win by knockout or a points decision. When it comes to Joshua, even if he is in the best pre-Ruiz loss shape of his career he will not be able to defeat Usyk as long as Usyk is mentally focused on the fight and that is because Usyk is technically far too good for Joshua.

Derrick Lewis already has bad record including his KO loss to Tai Tuivasa last February. I doubt that he can be categorized as more dangerous than the reigning Champ on heavyweight division. UFC turning to Boxing and Vice versa is bullshit imho because they are just looking for money by doing this plus some ego that they dominate both sports. I never saw a successful fighter that fight on different sports that he was supposed to do except for Brock Lesnar which is very successful on his early stage of his career in UFC.

I dont know real story behind McGregor boxing fight and UFC, but I know that UFC usually sign 3 fight contract with their fighters. Of course Conor is an exception, but if we look on stats, he had 9 fights (third contract possibly ended), left his belt and went boxing Floyd.

Ngannou can do the same, leave his belt to Cyril Gane, fight Fury and try to get back.

Btw, I think Dana let Conor have that boxing fight, because Conor advanced UFC to a next level, made it earn millions and billions. Ngannou so far is just a heavyweight that knocks out cold. Btw, Ngannou is not the most scary heavyweight in UFC, Derrick Lewis has 21 KO in his record. He is more dangerous right now

He would 100% take it. Both his dad and wife have said that he would within the last few days. He will care about legacy. What boxer doesn't? He's undefeated but with every fight you risk losing that status and once it's gone it's gone. There's going to be so much money on the line to fight Usyk and AJ that I'm sure it's a risk he's willing to take. I think he wins both fights though.


I think AJ either has to go for the knockout or win it on points. I can't see either happening though. I'm sure AJ will be taking this fight very seriously though as he knows he needs to change things around if he wants the big fights after this.


He's said he won't be signing anything that doesn't allow him to box as well. He did a good interview with True Geordie recently that is worth a watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezJ-w3sSG58

He seems to be being very reasonable. He's happy to re-sign with the UFC and even do a cross promo event with them for the Fury fight but he has to be allowed to do the Fury fight. If Dana can let Connor do it then he should be able to do it with Francis. Why would he contonie fighting in the UFC for 500k a fight when he get get multiple millions for a boxing match. Francis also explained how he lost a 1 million dollar sponsorship deal with Coinbase because UFC took the Crypto.com deal. Not letting fighters have their own sponsorships like that really stiffs them out of a lot of money. In fact, for the big fighters most of their revenue comes from sponsorships. The UFC is going to end up shooting itself in the foot if they don't compromise a little and start paying fighters what they're worth as the big names will just bounce and leave the organisation as soon as they can.

Despite what Fury might say about legacy, I believe he cares about it more than he would lead you to believe. If he gets offered that Joshua fight with or without the belts, I think he'll take it.

Usyk beats Joshua, unless Joshua wakes up, and goes back to what made him, i.e adopt the more risker brawling type style, ever since he got clipped by Ruiz in their first fight he has been reluctant to get into those exchanges, which ultimately has negatively effected him as a boxer. Joshua isn't highly technical, and I'm not sure why he would pretend to be.

There's a path to beating Usyk, but I'm afraid it has to be via knockout. There isn't any other way for Joshua. Fury on the other hand could knock him out or very well just out point him. Joshua doesn't have that in his locker.

Only if he did not sign new contract with UFC.

Ngannou is UFC heavyweight champion right now, with ended contract. If he signs new contract, Dana White wont let him have a boxing match (or other fighters will start a boycott, asking for a raise).

If he does not sign a new contract and fight Tyson Fury, he would earn a lot, but once and he most probably be banned in UFC. Where he would fight next then? Bellator? There are not fighters in heavyweight that can compete with him. Do boxing? It will hard for 35 y.o to start a boxing career on a high level. He will get a title fight in heavyweight at the age of... 40 ? He wont get tops at very beginning. But fighting against punching bags wont bring him good money.

So it is a huge dilemma for Ngannou. Either to continue earning 500k-1kk, or have one huge fight, that might end his career.

I am not sure if we will see Fury in a boxing fight again though a hybrid or UFC fight with Ngannou is more probable.

For Fury to fight Joshua there have to be belts on the line otherwise it serves Fury no purpose just for bragging rights. Fury must come out of retirement to fight again and he probably would only do it for a unification fight.

Will Joshua be able to defeat Usyk? I think Usyk will beat Joshua again.