[Boxing] Gary Russell vs Mark Magsayo WBC Featherweight Title - page 12.

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Despite being a champion, he shouldn't still be too confident because Magsayo is preparing hard for this fight. 2 years is a long time rest for Russell so it might be the edge of Magsayo who has been continuously doing matches for years. The result is honestly quite unpredictable but I'm sure that this will be an exciting fight.

Still even if he is a champion or even he is known as undisputed fighter he still needed to prepare for his upcoming fights and not be overconfident on what kind of opponent he is going to fight with. It is better to be prepared than being overconfident if Magsayo is really looking to win this fight. Which in fact, Garry Russell is not also a small fighter that he need to be confident, I believe this fight will be a difficult fight for both fighters but I am also rooting to Mark Magsayo to win this fight.

It's okay to be confident but never underestimate an opponent whether you are a champion or not. It's necessary to ensure that proper training is done since this is a championship fight, and the loser here will lose the chance to have bigger fights in the future. For Magsayo as a challenger, he should give everything he has for this once-in-a-lifetime opportunity.

Let's just give Russell the benefit of the doubt as we don't really know what does he thinks to this fight. Though I'm not a big Gary Russell fan but I could say that he's not underestimating anything about Magsayo's skills and capability but surely he knew that his inactivity is really a disadvantage because practicing and training consistently is so different when you're actively fighting an opponent professionally. Both fighters have something to prove, like for Russell that he's capable and worth to be called the undisputed champion despite his inactivity and as for Magsayo, this fight will be his stepping stone towards success and to have more fights in the future if ever Magsayo could defeat Russell. But that is a question for now because I have no doubt that this fight is going to be a close one and tough, so there's no guarantee who'll be declared as a winner.

Yes, this would serve as stepping stone for Magsayo and for sure he will not waste this opportunity, but you are right, we can't underestimate Russell capabilities, he's not a champ buying the belt, he's here to prove that he is really deserving for this title, both fighters are in need of this fight for their future, they need to compete and entertain all the viewers and fans, good fight will serve them more exciting offers.. Cool

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Despite being a champion, he shouldn't still be too confident because Magsayo is preparing hard for this fight. 2 years is a long time rest for Russell so it might be the edge of Magsayo who has been continuously doing matches for years. The result is honestly quite unpredictable but I'm sure that this will be an exciting fight.

Still even if he is a champion or even he is known as undisputed fighter he still needed to prepare for his upcoming fights and not be overconfident on what kind of opponent he is going to fight with. It is better to be prepared than being overconfident if Magsayo is really looking to win this fight. Which in fact, Garry Russell is not also a small fighter that he need to be confident, I believe this fight will be a difficult fight for both fighters but I am also rooting to Mark Magsayo to win this fight.

It's okay to be confident but never underestimate an opponent whether you are a champion or not. It's necessary to ensure that proper training is done since this is a championship fight, and the loser here will lose the chance to have bigger fights in the future. For Magsayo as a challenger, he should give everything he has for this once-in-a-lifetime opportunity.

Let's just give Russell the benefit of the doubt as we don't really know what does he thinks to this fight. Though I'm not a big Gary Russell fan but I could say that he's not underestimating anything about Magsayo's skills and capability but surely he knew that his inactivity is really a disadvantage because practicing and training consistently is so different when you're actively fighting an opponent professionally. Both fighters have something to prove, like for Russell that he's capable and worth to be called the undisputed champion despite his inactivity and as for Magsayo, this fight will be his stepping stone towards success and to have more fights in the future if ever Magsayo could defeat Russell. But that is a question for now because I have no doubt that this fight is going to be a close one and tough, so there's no guarantee who'll be declared as a winner.

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Russell might win but it won't be easy especially against an opponent who is willing to give everything he had for this championship fight. I love how Filipino boxers fight, they are so aggressive and hungry to win a championship, in this fight, I'm expecting that will happen and of course upset is what I am hoping to see as I'll certainly take that 4.00 odds.

And I agree, I think we all understand that Russell is the best boxer out of the two, but we also know that style makes fights and an opponent that on paper seems like it is weaker can beat another boxer that was better because of this, also the circumstances of the fight can vary greatly and as such Magsayo has a chance to get the victory here, and if someone is willing to take those odds I think they will be taking the right decision as the odds for a bet for Russell to win are not attractive.

In any sports, upsets do really happen specially if the favourite will underestimate his opponent. And we all know that Filipinos shouldn't be taken lightly as they can really pull that upset. As you have said, Magsayo is a great fighter in his own right and has this Filipino pride and heart just like the legendary Manny Pacquiao. So that is a good odds already and it won't take anything from us if we bet on Magsayo for even a couple of sats as underdog.

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Quote from: Questat on January 03, 2022, 04:02:23 PM

Russell might win but it won't be easy especially against an opponent who is willing to give everything he had for this championship fight. I love how Filipino boxers fight, they are so aggressive and hungry to win a championship, in this fight, I'm expecting that will happen and of course upset is what I am hoping to see as I'll certainly take that 4.00 odds.

And I agree, I think we all understand that Russell is the best boxer out of the two, but we also know that style makes fights and an opponent that on paper seems like it is weaker can beat another boxer that was better because of this, also the circumstances of the fight can vary greatly and as such Magsayo has a chance to get the victory here, and if someone is willing to take those odds I think they will be taking the right decision as the odds for a bet for Russell to win are not attractive.

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People really know that Russell is the better fighter here but since this is boxing, anything could happen and upset could happen.

I think only in PH-based discussion. Outside, the majority are eyeing Russell to be the winner and will successfully defend the title.

But as always, I believed in upset. Magsayo has the power to defeat Russell. The question now is, how will he able to execute it in the actual fight. Russell is very different from the previous opponents that Magsayo face so he is really a big deal.

Magsayo is also eyeing to face Russell for a long and he successfully finished all the pre-requisites to make that fight possible. No way he will waste that opportunity without giving a hard fight.

Russell might win but it won't be easy especially against an opponent who is willing to give everything he had for this championship fight. I love how Filipino boxers fight, they are so aggressive and hungry to win a championship, in this fight, I'm expecting that will happen and of course upset is what I am hoping to see as I'll certainly take that 4.00 odds.

For us it's not easy but based on the betting odds, the majority of the fans believe that it's gonna be easy for Rusell to defend his title against Magsayo. His challenger won't be getting 4.00 if bookmakers think it will be a tough job for Rusell to win the fight.

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Quote from: harizen on January 03, 2022, 03:50:42 PM

Quote from: stadus on January 03, 2022, 03:44:15 PM

People really know that Russell is the better fighter here but since this is boxing, anything could happen and upset could happen.

I think only in PH-based discussion. Outside, the majority are eyeing Russell to be the winner and will successfully defend the title.

But as always, I believed in upset. Magsayo has the power to defeat Russell. The question now is, how will he able to execute it in the actual fight. Russell is very different from the previous opponents that Magsayo face so he is really a big deal.

Magsayo is also eyeing to face Russell for a long and he successfully finished all the pre-requisites to make that fight possible. No way he will waste that opportunity without giving a hard fight.

Russell might win but it won't be easy especially against an opponent who is willing to give everything he had for this championship fight. I love how Filipino boxers fight, they are so aggressive and hungry to win a championship, in this fight, I'm expecting that will happen and of course upset is what I am hoping to see as I'll certainly take that 4.00 odds.

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Quote from: stadus on January 03, 2022, 03:44:15 PM

People really know that Russell is the better fighter here but since this is boxing, anything could happen and upset could happen.

I think only in PH-based discussion. Outside, the majority are eyeing Russell to be the winner and will successfully defend the title.

But as always, I believed in upset. Magsayo has the power to defeat Russell. The question now is, how will he able to execute it in the actual fight. Russell is very different from the previous opponents that Magsayo face so he is really a big deal.

Magsayo is also eyeing to face Russell for a long and he successfully finished all the pre-requisites to make that fight possible. No way he will waste that opportunity without giving a hard fight.

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Oops. Looks like the betting odds are already out in the market.

https://www.oddschecker.com/boxing/gary-allen-russell-jr-v-mark-magsayo/winner
Gary Russell is the heavy favorite with 1/7 while Magsayo is at 4.00..The odds are good for Magsayo as we can turn our $100 to $400 if he wins the fight.

So the question is, are you still willing to take Magsayo now that we see the odds?

As expected by all, Gary Russell will be the heavy favorite. Look at the gaps of their odds, bookmarkers really see Magsayo has a slight chance to win on the fight. They should at least put 5.00 so it's more favored to us. Cheesy

Once already out on crypto sportsbook, I hope an increased odds over 4.00 will be given to Magsayo. Maybe at least 4.2 maximum.

I will take Mark Magsayo's odds to support PH Flag.

I'm glad to see that the odds are very attractive for Magsayo, of course, I'm also willing to take that odds since he has a good chance of being the more active boxer. People really know that Russell is the better fighter here but since this is boxing, anything could happen and upset could happen.

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Quote from: Maslate on January 03, 2022, 08:30:56 AM

Oops. Looks like the betting odds are already out in the market.

https://www.oddschecker.com/boxing/gary-allen-russell-jr-v-mark-magsayo/winner
Gary Russell is the heavy favorite with 1/7 while Magsayo is at 4.00..The odds are good for Magsayo as we can turn our $100 to $400 if he wins the fight.

So the question is, are you still willing to take Magsayo now that we see the odds?

As expected by all, Gary Russell will be the heavy favorite. Look at the gaps of their odds, bookmarkers really see Magsayo has a slight chance to win on the fight. They should at least put 5.00 so it's more favored to us. Cheesy

Once already out on crypto sportsbook, I hope an increased odds over 4.00 will be given to Magsayo. Maybe at least 4.2 maximum.

I will take Mark Magsayo's odds to support PH Flag.

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Quote from: Alanaz on January 02, 2022, 11:03:12 AM

I'm not the one who said it but the experts out there are saying that. You can find some related articles about it.
on the other hand it is quite reasonable to be pinned to him.
he is one of the pretty good young boxers today. at this time he really can't be like many but when he is cared for closely and practices continuously it can happen.
but his current opponent is very tough and this is a test that must be passed in order to prove people's assumptions are right

Maybe he is just tagged as the next Pacquiao because he is under the training of Coach Freddie Roach. But I don't see him that way.

I'm not closing the book though and maybe that is possible so we are not ruling it out.

What matters for now is how to defeat the Favorite Russell.

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Quote from: Maslate on January 03, 2022, 08:30:56 AM

Oops. Looks like the betting odds are already out in the market.

https://www.oddschecker.com/boxing/gary-allen-russell-jr-v-mark-magsayo/winner
Gary Russell is the heavy favorite with 1/7 while Magsayo is at 4.00..The odds are good for Magsayo as we can turn our $100 to $400 if he wins the fight.

So the question is, are you still willing to take Magsayo now that we see the odds?

That will be a great odds for a biased like us lol. Yes, I'm willing to take that odds even in reality, I see Russell has the edge compared to our Magsayo but I left with no choice as I really like Magsayo to win regardless of the odds.

But I will admit, not willing to put $100 even how biased I am. Maybe around $50 should do.

Now the odds are out, we should now realize that Russell is not a joke.

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Oops. Looks like the betting odds are already out in the market.

https://www.oddschecker.com/boxing/gary-allen-russell-jr-v-mark-magsayo/winner
Gary Russell is the heavy favorite with 1/7 while Magsayo is at 4.00..The odds are good for Magsayo as we can turn our $100 to $400 if he wins the fight.

So the question is, are you still willing to take Magsayo now that we see the odds?

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I guess that depends on the promoter handling Rusell, if they are not active in marketing him then he can't do anything but wait until a good fight is given to him, and this time, he gets a good opponent that came from a very impressive victory. The fact that Rusell is a champion, I don't want to question him anymore as I expect he is a great fighter and that is a great challenge for Magsayo.

Handlers affect each fighter, no question about that.

The boxer will fight when handlers already sign a deal for him, not sure what kind of promoter Russell have
but yes, he is a champion good enough to say that he is also a tough contender.

Magsayo will be tested with this fight and both of them will receive a good hype whoever wins this fight.

Not sure if Russell is under any promotional management though, and that is the main reason why he only gets one fight a year because no one is looking for him as he chooses to be some sort of freelance. Nevertheless this is a good fight that he and Magsayo secure. And I will consider this maybe an early fight of the year candidate if it really goes out as what we are all expecting, a volume and speed puncher against a power boxer in Magsayo. In will be a clash and who ever landed the big punch first will likely win the contest.

This is a possibility as it is suspicious how it seems that Russell is unable to take advantage of his belt and fight more often, not only this is damaging his economic prospects this is probably damaging his skills as well, after all if you spend a lot of time without doing an activity even if you are really good at it there is going to be a slip on your skill level, and against other challengers and champions that is more than enough to lose a fight.

On point, his inactivity could be his disadvantage in this fight, but in terms of skill in boxing, there's no doubt that Rusell is way better than Magsayo. Stamina is very important, if Rusell could not accept the punches of Magsayo, then probably this fight will end early and we will have a new champion in the name of Mark Magsayo.

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I guess that depends on the promoter handling Rusell, if they are not active in marketing him then he can't do anything but wait until a good fight is given to him, and this time, he gets a good opponent that came from a very impressive victory. The fact that Rusell is a champion, I don't want to question him anymore as I expect he is a great fighter and that is a great challenge for Magsayo.

Handlers affect each fighter, no question about that.

The boxer will fight when handlers already sign a deal for him, not sure what kind of promoter Russell have
but yes, he is a champion good enough to say that he is also a tough contender.

Magsayo will be tested with this fight and both of them will receive a good hype whoever wins this fight.

Not sure if Russell is under any promotional management though, and that is the main reason why he only gets one fight a year because no one is looking for him as he chooses to be some sort of freelance. Nevertheless this is a good fight that he and Magsayo secure. And I will consider this maybe an early fight of the year candidate if it really goes out as what we are all expecting, a volume and speed puncher against a power boxer in Magsayo. In will be a clash and who ever landed the big punch first will likely win the contest.

This is a possibility as it is suspicious how it seems that Russell is unable to take advantage of his belt and fight more often, not only this is damaging his economic prospects this is probably damaging his skills as well, after all if you spend a lot of time without doing an activity even if you are really good at it there is going to be a slip on your skill level, and against other challengers and champions that is more than enough to lose a fight.

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I do agree plus the fact that Russell is not so active inside the ring could bring him trouble against a hungry challenger in Magsayo.

Russell averages 1 fight per year it's only on this year, he doesn't have a fight. I don't think we can call Russell inactive for that. He doesn't rest for over 2 years that's why I don't take that inactivity this year as his disadvantage.

But as fellow PH, I'm looking forward to Magsayo winning. I hope him being hungry, will be the new champion on that big night.

1 fight per year for Russel seems a bit weak. If anything that sounds like a portrayal of laziness. A professional boxxer should be more motivated to fight more, gain more and train more. Thats why Russel is not really a great contender, at least not in my book.

Being hungry is great, but hunger alone does not beat experience or skill. Again, not really things I myself would bet on. But lets see how it goes. We might be surprised.

I guess that depends on the promoter handling Rusell, if they are not active in marketing him then he can't do anything but wait until a good fight is given to him, and this time, he gets a good opponent that came from a very impressive victory. The fact that Rusell is a champion, I don't want to question him anymore as I expect he is a great fighter and that is a great challenge for Magsayo.

That might be true in a limited sense since marketing can only bring you so far. I think the best marketing comes not from the promoter, (whos job is solely to promote for the fans rather than the competition) but rather the marketing comes from the skill and winning fights. If a boxxer wants to promote himself he just needs to keep winning his way to the top. Anything else is extra.

No, I'm sure there are a lot of great fighters but did not become popular because they don't have a good promoter. When you are good and you have someone who will market you, that's a good combination for success as you make money and the promoter makes money at the same time.

I only know some popular boxing promotions, some of them are the top rank which is owned and managed by Bob Arum and the other is the Mayweather promotion, these are big promotions that could bring big fights.

If a fighter doesn't work for them, then there's less opportunity for him.

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I do agree plus the fact that Russell is not so active inside the ring could bring him trouble against a hungry challenger in Magsayo.

Russell averages 1 fight per year it's only on this year, he doesn't have a fight. I don't think we can call Russell inactive for that. He doesn't rest for over 2 years that's why I don't take that inactivity this year as his disadvantage.

But as fellow PH, I'm looking forward to Magsayo winning. I hope him being hungry, will be the new champion on that big night.

1 fight per year for Russel seems a bit weak. If anything that sounds like a portrayal of laziness. A professional boxxer should be more motivated to fight more, gain more and train more. Thats why Russel is not really a great contender, at least not in my book.

Being hungry is great, but hunger alone does not beat experience or skill. Again, not really things I myself would bet on. But lets see how it goes. We might be surprised.

I guess that depends on the promoter handling Rusell, if they are not active in marketing him then he can't do anything but wait until a good fight is given to him, and this time, he gets a good opponent that came from a very impressive victory. The fact that Rusell is a champion, I don't want to question him anymore as I expect he is a great fighter and that is a great challenge for Magsayo.

That might be true in a limited sense since marketing can only bring you so far. I think the best marketing comes not from the promoter, (whos job is solely to promote for the fans rather than the competition) but rather the marketing comes from the skill and winning fights. If a boxxer wants to promote himself he just needs to keep winning his way to the top. Anything else is extra.

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It's okay to be confident but never underestimate an opponent whether you are a champion or not. It's necessary to ensure that proper training is done since this is a championship fight, and the loser here will lose the chance to have bigger fights in the future. For Magsayo as a challenger, he should give everything he has for this once-in-a-lifetime opportunity.

I don't think it's a matter of underestimating or not but it's certain that the reigning champions will be underdogs.
Regardless of how it turns out it's a matter of being in the ring.
I know that magsayo is a tough boxer and is predicted to be the next pacquiao. but it's still not enough to make him the seed and it's still Russell who is seeded

Who says he is the next Pacquiao? I think it's too early to predict it, he maybe be undefeated right now but he doesn't have the skills like Pacquiao yet during his prime, Magsayo maybe not be as gifted as Pacquiao so I don't want to put a high expectation on him.

I'm not the one who said it but the experts out there are saying that. You can find some related articles about it.
on the other hand it is quite reasonable to be pinned to him.
he is one of the pretty good young boxers today. at this time he really can't be like many but when he is cared for closely and practices continuously it can happen.
but his current opponent is very tough and this is a test that must be passed in order to prove people's assumptions are right

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It's okay to be confident but never underestimate an opponent whether you are a champion or not. It's necessary to ensure that proper training is done since this is a championship fight, and the loser here will lose the chance to have bigger fights in the future. For Magsayo as a challenger, he should give everything he has for this once-in-a-lifetime opportunity.

I don't think it's a matter of underestimating or not but it's certain that the reigning champions will be underdogs.
Regardless of how it turns out it's a matter of being in the ring.
I know that magsayo is a tough boxer and is predicted to be the next pacquiao. but it's still not enough to make him the seed and it's still Russell who is seeded

Who says he is the next Pacquiao? I think it's too early to predict it, he maybe be undefeated right now but he doesn't have the skills like Pacquiao yet during his prime, Magsayo maybe not be as gifted as Pacquiao so I don't want to put a high expectation on him.

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Quote from: Yamifoud on January 02, 2022, 07:28:00 AM

It's okay to be confident but never underestimate an opponent whether you are a champion or not. It's necessary to ensure that proper training is done since this is a championship fight, and the loser here will lose the chance to have bigger fights in the future. For Magsayo as a challenger, he should give everything he has for this once-in-a-lifetime opportunity.

I don't think it's a matter of underestimating or not but it's certain that the reigning champions will be underdogs.
Regardless of how it turns out it's a matter of being in the ring.
I know that magsayo is a tough boxer and is predicted to be the next pacquiao. but it's still not enough to make him the seed and it's still Russell who is seeded

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Despite being a champion, he shouldn't still be too confident because Magsayo is preparing hard for this fight. 2 years is a long time rest for Russell so it might be the edge of Magsayo who has been continuously doing matches for years. The result is honestly quite unpredictable but I'm sure that this will be an exciting fight.

Still even if he is a champion or even he is known as undisputed fighter he still needed to prepare for his upcoming fights and not be overconfident on what kind of opponent he is going to fight with. It is better to be prepared than being overconfident if Magsayo is really looking to win this fight. Which in fact, Garry Russell is not also a small fighter that he need to be confident, I believe this fight will be a difficult fight for both fighters but I am also rooting to Mark Magsayo to win this fight.

It's okay to be confident but never underestimate an opponent whether you are a champion or not. It's necessary to ensure that proper training is done since this is a championship fight, and the loser here will lose the chance to have bigger fights in the future. For Magsayo as a challenger, he should give everything he has for this once-in-a-lifetime opportunity.

Some of the fighters are good in showing that they are so confident, it's their way to intimidate their opponent and to boost their self confidence, that's alright, every fighter has their own style but the most important is that the character they show can be applied in the actual fight.

In the case of Magsayo, he doesn't take much but he does his talk in the ring, that's why fans admired him, and though he is an underdog here, for sure some still believe that he can win and be the champion.

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