[Boxing] Gary Russell vs Mark Magsayo WBC Featherweight Title - page 18.

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Quote from: Baofeng on December 19, 2021, 12:59:48 PM

Not sure about the effect on him since he has been off in boxing for 2 years.

We've seen a lot of upsets lately because of ring rust, and everyone is not immune to it.

Yes, you are right, he is mostly in the Asian scene and not a champion in the major 4 belt. But I still consider him a champion though.

the time is still quite long and it must be put to good use for training and to make good conditions for his performance and speed and sharpness he is retrained.
as you said, this has been very old and can even be compared to an item, it has been stored for a long time and has started to rust so it needs to be sharpened again so that it is like before.
I hope for something good for him but of course this now depends on the effort he puts into making the most of this time

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Quote from: Jawhead999 on December 19, 2021, 09:55:47 AM

Quote from: Yamifoud on December 19, 2021, 07:52:32 AM

Is Mark Magsayo also a champion?

I think he is just a challenger in this particular weight class or division and he is here to try to steal the belt of Gary Russell.
He is our pride, but to be honest, you are right that his lack of defense, and he always suffer his first defeat in his last fight if he was not able to KO his opponent.

Yep he's a challenger, Magsayo's doesn't have world champions title, he only have youth and asian title.

I wonder how effective is Russell perform and strategy if he only fight one a year, this fight there's 2 years gap since he doesn't have any fought last year. It's true he's active training and workout, but that's different when you fight in the ring. Sometimes, experience is more important than hard workout.

Not sure about the effect on him since he has been off in boxing for 2 years.

We've seen a lot of upsets lately because of ring rust, and everyone is not immune to it.

Yes, you are right, he is mostly in the Asian scene and not a champion in the major 4 belt. But I still consider him a champion though.

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Quote from: Yamifoud on December 19, 2021, 07:52:32 AM

Is Mark Magsayo also a champion?

I think he is just a challenger in this particular weight class or division and he is here to try to steal the belt of Gary Russell.
He is our pride, but to be honest, you are right that his lack of defense, and he always suffer his first defeat in his last fight if he was not able to KO his opponent.

Yep he's a challenger, Magsayo's doesn't have world champions title, he only have youth and asian title.

I wonder how effective is Russell perform and strategy if he only fight one a year, this fight there's 2 years gap since he doesn't have any fought last year. It's true he's active training and workout, but that's different when you fight in the ring. Sometimes, experience is more important than hard workout.

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Quote from: Jating on December 19, 2021, 04:01:52 AM

Quote from: lienfaye on December 18, 2021, 08:48:18 PM

However that wont be easy knowing that Russell has an incredible speed and accurate power punches. Magsayo needs to train harder and improve his defense skills I can see that his lacking on it.

No easy roads, specially champion vs champion fight and only one is going to win here. So he better be prepared 110% and do his best to win in the end.

Is Mark Magsayo also a champion?

I think he is just a challenger in this particular weight class or division and he is here to try to steal the belt of Gary Russell.
He is our pride, but to be honest, you are right that his lack of defense, and he always suffer his first defeat in his last fight if he was not able to KO his opponent.

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Quote from: lienfaye on December 18, 2021, 08:48:18 PM

Looking on Magsayo's boxing record, he doesnt have losses yet but I dont see any big names in his previous opponents. So this fight will be a break for his boxing career, getting the title from Russell is his chance to become well known on boxing.

Maybe Rigoberto Hermosillo and Cesar Ceja might ring a bell to some of us.

But fighting Russell is a big opportunity for Magsayo to move forward in his career. It's going to be a defining fight for him.

Quote from: lienfaye on December 18, 2021, 08:48:18 PM

However that wont be easy knowing that Russell has an incredible speed and accurate power punches. Magsayo needs to train harder and improve his defense skills I can see that his lacking on it.

No easy roads, specially champion vs champion fight and only one is going to win here. So he better be prepared 110% and do his best to win in the end.

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Quote from: lienfaye on December 18, 2021, 08:48:18 PM

Looking on Magsayo's boxing record, he doesnt have losses yet but I dont see any big names in his previous opponents. So this fight will be a break for his boxing career, getting the title from Russell is his chance to become well known on boxing.

Correct, as others have said, this is a step up fight for him, to take a very good boxer and for the unification of their belts. So this is a big hurdle for the Pinoy, and a make or break fight for him.

Quote from: lienfaye on December 18, 2021, 08:48:18 PM

However that wont be easy knowing that Russell has an incredible speed and accurate power punches. Magsayo needs to train harder and improve his defense skills I can see that his lacking on it.

That's really Russell's strong suit, he has one of the fastest hand in the game right now and that's what makes him more exciting. However, he is very choosy on his fight and could experience a ring rust early against Magsayo. So Mark should take advantage of it in the beginning and go for a knock out.

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Looking on Magsayo's boxing record, he doesnt have losses yet but I dont see any big names in his previous opponents. So this fight will be a break for his boxing career, getting the title from Russell is his chance to become well known on boxing.

However that wont be easy knowing that Russell has an incredible speed and accurate power punches. Magsayo needs to train harder and improve his defense skills I can see that his lacking on it.

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Quote from: Johnyz on December 18, 2021, 03:43:51 PM

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on December 18, 2021, 03:24:11 PM

He should be inspired, not getting distracted because this is a big opportunity for him to be a champion. This kind of opportunity does not happen everyday, it will only be given to a boxer who is in the top list to be a challenger against the champion, and that means he work hard to reach that level, so he should not waste this opportunity, the key here is "train hard".

^ I don't think how hard he will need to spend in training before Magsayo can defeat Russell, I saw nothing but far if we compare Magsayo and Russell.
Russell has strong odds here and it is probably in the final placing bet Magsayo becomes an underdog on this match.
However, I am technically predicting that Magsayo cannot be able to win on this fight with Russell, another insight is about the age which is in the age stage Russell is that there are heavy punches that could be out.

On this match, Magsayo is the underdog since he is the challenger here and of course Russell will do everything to protect that so expect that this is not an easy match for Magsayo and this might be his first loss. Well, we all have reasons and different insights, but for me Magsayo have the chance here to win, he just need to do the right things.

Yeah, I do believed that he is the underdog but he is not a challenger, it's a champion vs champion here. As Mark hold the WBO belt and Russell the WBC, so this is a unification bout.

Definitely, Mark has a big chance to win against Russell as he has the tools, that power on both hands as by chance it landed perfectly on Russell's chin it will be over just like that. So don't sleep on Mark here, as he has a fighting chance to pull an upset win.

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Quote from: Yamifoud on December 18, 2021, 03:56:12 PM

Quote from: Johnyz on December 18, 2021, 03:43:51 PM

Quote from: DoublerHunter on December 18, 2021, 03:37:46 PM

Quote from: Hypnosis00 on December 18, 2021, 03:24:11 PM

He should be inspired, not getting distracted because this is a big opportunity for him to be a champion. This kind of opportunity does not happen everyday, it will only be given to a boxer who is in the top list to be a challenger against the champion, and that means he work hard to reach that level, so he should not waste this opportunity, the key here is "train hard".

^ I don't think how hard he will need to spend in training before Magsayo can defeat Russell, I saw nothing but far if we compare Magsayo and Russell.
Russell has strong odds here and it is probably in the final placing bet Magsayo becomes an underdog on this match.
However, I am technically predicting that Magsayo cannot be able to win on this fight with Russell, another insight is about the age which is in the age stage Russell is that there are heavy punches that could be out.

On this match, Magsayo is the underdog since he is the challenger here and of course Russell will do everything to protect that so expect that this is not an easy match for Magsayo and this might be his first loss. Well, we all have reasons and different insights, but for me Magsayo have the chance here to win, he just need to do the right things.

Gary Rusell is good but he is not undefeated though, he lose against Loma last June 21, 2014, so he also has some weakness where Magsayo's team has to explore as that's the only way to beat Russell.

Loma is just exceptional, losing against this man is not new, what's important is that Rusell survives that fight and he never loses a single from afterward. That was a long time ago, I'm pretty sure Russell had learned a lot of lessons to make him a better fighter.

Quote from: Yamifoud on December 18, 2021, 03:56:12 PM

Magsayo's camp that Russell is not an easy opponent, so they'll do everything to have a good chance of upsetting the champion. 31 wins with 18 KO, not so power puncher for me.

A challenger should always train harder than the champion, if he has a routinary training already, it's wise to add some just for the fight against Rusell because once he win the belt, he will become a champion and the Filipino fans will be so hypep up to see a new Filipino champion.

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Quote from: Johnyz on December 18, 2021, 03:43:51 PM

Quote from: DoublerHunter on December 18, 2021, 03:37:46 PM

Quote from: Hypnosis00 on December 18, 2021, 03:24:11 PM

He should be inspired, not getting distracted because this is a big opportunity for him to be a champion. This kind of opportunity does not happen everyday, it will only be given to a boxer who is in the top list to be a challenger against the champion, and that means he work hard to reach that level, so he should not waste this opportunity, the key here is "train hard".

^ I don't think how hard he will need to spend in training before Magsayo can defeat Russell, I saw nothing but far if we compare Magsayo and Russell.
Russell has strong odds here and it is probably in the final placing bet Magsayo becomes an underdog on this match.
However, I am technically predicting that Magsayo cannot be able to win on this fight with Russell, another insight is about the age which is in the age stage Russell is that there are heavy punches that could be out.

On this match, Magsayo is the underdog since he is the challenger here and of course Russell will do everything to protect that so expect that this is not an easy match for Magsayo and this might be his first loss. Well, we all have reasons and different insights, but for me Magsayo have the chance here to win, he just need to do the right things.

Gary Rusell is good but he is not undefeated though, he lose against Loma last June 21, 2014, so he also has some weakness where Magsayo's team has to explore as that's the only way to beat Russell. Magsayo's camp that Russell is not an easy opponent, so they'll do everything to have a good chance of upsetting the champion. 31 wins with 18 KO, not so power puncher for me.

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Quote from: DoublerHunter on December 18, 2021, 03:37:46 PM

Quote from: Hypnosis00 on December 18, 2021, 03:24:11 PM

He should be inspired, not getting distracted because this is a big opportunity for him to be a champion. This kind of opportunity does not happen everyday, it will only be given to a boxer who is in the top list to be a challenger against the champion, and that means he work hard to reach that level, so he should not waste this opportunity, the key here is "train hard".

^ I don't think how hard he will need to spend in training before Magsayo can defeat Russell, I saw nothing but far if we compare Magsayo and Russell.
Russell has strong odds here and it is probably in the final placing bet Magsayo becomes an underdog on this match.
However, I am technically predicting that Magsayo cannot be able to win on this fight with Russell, another insight is about the age which is in the age stage Russell is that there are heavy punches that could be out.

On this match, Magsayo is the underdog since he is the challenger here and of course Russell will do everything to protect that so expect that this is not an easy match for Magsayo and this might be his first loss. Well, we all have reasons and different insights, but for me Magsayo have the chance here to win, he just need to do the right things.

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Quote from: DoublerHunter on December 18, 2021, 03:37:46 PM

Quote from: Hypnosis00 on December 18, 2021, 03:24:11 PM

He should be inspired, not getting distracted because this is a big opportunity for him to be a champion. This kind of opportunity does not happen everyday, it will only be given to a boxer who is in the top list to be a challenger against the champion, and that means he work hard to reach that level, so he should not waste this opportunity, the key here is "train hard".

^ I don't think how hard he will need to spend in training before Magsayo can defeat Russell, I saw nothing but far if we compare Magsayo and Russell.
Russell has strong odds here and it is probably in the final placing bet Magsayo becomes an underdog on this match.
However, I am technically predicting that Magsayo cannot be able to win on this fight with Russell, another insight is about the age which is in the age stage Russell is that there are heavy punches that could be out.

Well that's your opinion and I believe most of the bettors will think that Rusell will win since he is the champion. When a challenger is fighting a champion, he is going in an uphill battle because fans would not believe that he will win, but looking at the record of Magsayo, he has all the chance to defeat Rusell without discounting the capability of Rusell.

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on December 18, 2021, 03:24:11 PM

He should be inspired, not getting distracted because this is a big opportunity for him to be a champion. This kind of opportunity does not happen everyday, it will only be given to a boxer who is in the top list to be a challenger against the champion, and that means he work hard to reach that level, so he should not waste this opportunity, the key here is "train hard".

^ I don't think how hard he will need to spend in training before Magsayo can defeat Russell, I saw nothing but far if we compare Magsayo and Russell.
Russell has strong odds here and it is probably in the final placing bet Magsayo becomes an underdog on this match.
However, I am technically predicting that Magsayo cannot be able to win on this fight with Russell, another insight is about the age which is in the age stage Russell is that there are heavy punches that could be out.

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Quote from: samcrypto on December 18, 2021, 03:21:41 PM

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I see how Magsayo play inside the ring and for me he will win on this because I always believe on Filipino fighter and I always support them no matter what. This is not an easy match of course since Russell will defend his belt title and will do everything to protect it. Magsayo have to do everything as well, his chance of winning is very high.

Not just because he is a Filipino that we are going to support him. I mean he has proven himself in the ring already with many great fighters. But still he can be called the best if he can win against Russell here. And I think Magsayo will be the underdog is this fight.

So that will be really a good motivation factor him and to show that he really deserves to be called the best in this division by beating Russell by any means. Of course a knock out win will be great, but we can take a UD win anytime.

This is actually a good opportunity for him to make his name great again and continue his winning streak, such a big pressure but hopefully it will not distract his trainings because Russell is not an easy opponent. Actually any decision will do as long as it is in favor to Magsayo, there’s no other way but to win on this match and I’m still confident for this.

He should be inspired, not getting distracted because this is a big opportunity for him to be a champion. This kind of opportunity does not happen everyday, it will only be given to a boxer who is in the top list to be a challenger against the champion, and that means he work hard to reach that level, so he should not waste this opportunity, the key here is "train hard".

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Quote from: Baofeng on December 18, 2021, 11:08:58 AM

Quote from: samcrypto on December 17, 2021, 04:41:27 PM

I see how Magsayo play inside the ring and for me he will win on this because I always believe on Filipino fighter and I always support them no matter what. This is not an easy match of course since Russell will defend his belt title and will do everything to protect it. Magsayo have to do everything as well, his chance of winning is very high.

Not just because he is a Filipino that we are going to support him. I mean he has proven himself in the ring already with many great fighters. But still he can be called the best if he can win against Russell here. And I think Magsayo will be the underdog is this fight.

So that will be really a good motivation factor him and to show that he really deserves to be called the best in this division by beating Russell by any means. Of course a knock out win will be great, but we can take a UD win anytime.

This is actually a good opportunity for him to make his name great again and continue his winning streak, such a big pressure but hopefully it will not distract his trainings because Russell is not an easy opponent. Actually any decision will do as long as it is in favor to Magsayo, there’s no other way but to win on this match and I’m still confident for this.

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Quote from: izsara on December 17, 2021, 12:08:14 PM

This is quite interesting because if I'm not mistaken it's been a long time since playing Russell in the international arena and if I'm not mistaken it's been at least one or two years he hasn't played again.

According to https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/479775, his last fight was February 8. 2021, and won via UD, that's over a year already, almost 2 years until his next fight which is scheduled in January next year.

Quote from: izsara on December 17, 2021, 12:08:14 PM

but even so he is one boxer who is quite complete for me because he is one boxer who is quite talented. He has speed, strength and his IQ ring is quite good.
I hope the long pause doesn't make him lose his momentum in this match

I hope so but I like to see more from Mark Magsayo as he is an emerging boxer, a win here will make him a champion which is a big success in continuing to chase his dreams. I'm pretty sure Magsayo realized his mistake in the past, and with that said, I believe he will train harder against this tougher fighter.

he hadn't competed in a long time and this could actually have been taken advantage of by Mark Magsayo.
I'm actually not that much about Mark Magsayo even I've never seen the way he plays boxing but indeed I know a little bit about the profile he has at the moment.
maybe this is something good for Mark Magsayo to use to make russel a little different.
but there's still time and I'm sure neither Russel nor Magsayo will stand still for now

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Quote from: samcrypto on December 17, 2021, 04:41:27 PM

I see how Magsayo play inside the ring and for me he will win on this because I always believe on Filipino fighter and I always support them no matter what. This is not an easy match of course since Russell will defend his belt title and will do everything to protect it. Magsayo have to do everything as well, his chance of winning is very high.

That being said, Gary Russell's boxing fight experiences also plays an important role on this one and he's have the upper hand on this match. He also have a clean record but now it has stained because of Lomachenko. Even if Mark Magsayo has a chance of winning because of his complexities, height and reach advantages, still Magsayo needs to be more patient and read his opponents moves because as you said that Gary will do everyting in-order to defend his belt and win this fight. So Magsayo's agility won't be enough to win this, he ought to score and land more lethal punches.

actually he is a great fighter and his abilities are very complete. His speed, power and momentum IQ in acting in the ring is very good and above average.
But the problem is that he is currently out of action for too long and even more than a year he has not played.
I think there must be something that really makes him rediscover it so that the abilities he used to don't just disappear

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Quote from: samcrypto on December 17, 2021, 04:41:27 PM

I see how Magsayo play inside the ring and for me he will win on this because I always believe on Filipino fighter and I always support them no matter what. This is not an easy match of course since Russell will defend his belt title and will do everything to protect it. Magsayo have to do everything as well, his chance of winning is very high.

Not just because he is a Filipino that we are going to support him. I mean he has proven himself in the ring already with many great fighters. But still he can be called the best if he can win against Russell here. And I think Magsayo will be the underdog is this fight.

So that will be really a good motivation factor him and to show that he really deserves to be called the best in this division by beating Russell by any means. Of course a knock out win will be great, but we can take a UD win anytime.

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Quote from: 24Kt on December 08, 2021, 01:58:21 PM

If Magsayo wants a clear win over Russell, he really should knock him out at early rounds. Because if they will complete the 12 rounds without a knockout or any major happening, Russell will retain his belt. We know that in a lot of cases, judges are bias. Last time, I betted on Magsayo, I guess, I will bet on him again. Curious what odds the bookies they will give to these 2 boxers.

I don't think the judges are bias, they scored depends the boxer dominate in the ring, punches, knocked down etc. Even it's somewhat subjectiv, but the judges are professional... they should already know how to judge.

Russel should be favorited here since he have the belt and not the challenger, he already defend his belt 6th times and that's not easy. Knocking Russell wouldn't be easy in early rounds, probably on round 8-10.

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Quote from: 24Kt on December 08, 2021, 01:58:21 PM

If Magsayo wants a clear win over Russell, he really should knock him out at early rounds. Because if they will complete the 12 rounds without a knockout or any major happening, Russell will retain his belt. We know that in a lot of cases, judges are bias. Last time, I betted on Magsayo, I guess, I will bet on him again. Curious what odds the bookies they will give to these 2 boxers.

That's a good idea if magsayo want to win he must try to knock down Russell under in 12 rounds to claim the belt. But if magsayo did not knock down Russel it has a small percentage to win.
Cause the champion make sure that he can avoid by hitting the challenger so that he is still the champion.
But I believe in magsayo to win this fight, because of his determination and skillfull solid punches which is good during your time days in boxing.

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