[Boxing] Inoue vs Casimero Bantamweight Unification Fight - page 4.

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Quote from: Sanitough on September 18, 2021, 03:26:21 PM

Quote from: Japinat on September 18, 2021, 03:16:13 PM

I hope he is already busy preparing for this big fight.

Based on the news I read, Casimero stays in the US to continue his training, that kind of act alone shows his dedication to improve more that's why he is preparing for this upcoming fight. It's a dream match for him as he has been calling Inoue ever since, and since Inoue is the number 1 in his division, it's his goal to beat Inoue so he will get the position, and once he is at the top, he will be the one to dictate the terms.

Yeah, he is still in the US and not going back to the Philippines, instead what he did or maybe MP promotions did was to bring his family to the States.

I do hope though that he will not be distracted, on the contrary it might motivate him more to train very hard with his potential clash against one of the best p4p in Inoue. He knows he can't dictate the terms, he is still the B-side in this fight, even if he has a belt.

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Quote from: Sanitough on September 18, 2021, 03:26:21 PM

Quote from: Japinat on September 18, 2021, 03:16:13 PM

I hope he is already busy preparing for this big fight.

Based on the news I read, Casimero stays in the US to continue his training, that kind of act alone shows his dedication to improve more that's why he is preparing for this upcoming fight. It's a dream match for him as he has been calling Inoue ever since, and since Inoue is the number 1 in his division, it's his goal to beat Inoue so he will get the position, and once he is at the top, he will be the one to dictate the terms.

That's an uphill battle because Inoue is not only the number 1 in his division, but he is also in the top 3 pounds for pound raking in the world, however, nothing is impossible so I don't underestimate the chance of Casimero. If we will see very attractive odds, I might bet on Casimero winning via kO or decision.

I take at odds between +400 to +800.. I guess it's worth risk even if Inoue is the heavy favorite.
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Quote from: Japinat on September 18, 2021, 03:16:13 PM

I hope he is already busy preparing for this big fight.

Based on the news I read, Casimero stays in the US to continue his training, that kind of act alone shows his dedication to improve more that's why he is preparing for this upcoming fight. It's a dream match for him as he has been calling Inoue ever since, and since Inoue is the number 1 in his division, it's his goal to beat Inoue so he will get the position, and once he is at the top, he will be the one to dictate the terms.

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Quote from: Twinkledoe on September 18, 2021, 03:11:44 PM

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Quote from: Fredomago on September 18, 2021, 12:59:36 PM

Quote from: Russlenat on September 18, 2021, 07:10:06 AM

Casimero can do what he wants to do, it's true he is really disrespectful, but that's him, and IMO, it's not nice that Donaire back out in a suppose to be big fight between him and Casimero because he got disrespected, it looks like he was afraid of fighting Casimero that he could persecute in the ring to teach him a lesson.

Or maybe it's just another drama in this sport. It's not hard to talk behind doors since they are both Pinoy, right? Just thinking that since there' pandemic and promoters are looking for more interest from the boxing fans, with Casimero and Donaire it's only their local fans that will possibly watch and bet with them, unlike with Inoue, there are big market behind Inoue and with how Casimero engaged with the fans, the trash talks bring him to this level.

He's also a champion and for sure he has that skills and capabilities, plus he's camp (MP) developed more from his skills. This fight with Inoue is very exciting. Both fighters are aggressive in terms of throwing heavy punches and countering the attacks of their opponents.

I don't think so, Donaire is very popular as he beat some big names in the past, so about selling the fight, it's not a problem IMO. Of course Inoue vs Casimero or Donaire vs Inoue is good, but I really think the issue between Donaire and Casimero is serious and they have to settle it inside the ring.

But for now, the first match that we may see is Inoue vs Casimero, as Inoue already indicated his interest on this match. The tale of the tape is already available and the schedule on this site says Dec 18, 10PM ET at MGM Grand Las Vegas. Don't know if this is already official.

https://champinon.info/schedule/inoue-vs-casimero/#close

9 years pro vs 14 years pro based on the tale of the tape, that's the advantage of Casimero. Inoue has better boxing skills and power, so Casimero has to be very careful as Inoue vow down to beat Casimero to the ground just like what he did on the fighters that he knock out early. No more trash talk from Casimero, I hope he is already busy preparing for this big fight.

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Quote from: Sanitough on September 18, 2021, 02:43:59 PM

Quote from: Fredomago on September 18, 2021, 12:59:36 PM

Quote from: Russlenat on September 18, 2021, 07:10:06 AM

Casimero can do what he wants to do, it's true he is really disrespectful, but that's him, and IMO, it's not nice that Donaire back out in a suppose to be big fight between him and Casimero because he got disrespected, it looks like he was afraid of fighting Casimero that he could persecute in the ring to teach him a lesson.

Or maybe it's just another drama in this sport. It's not hard to talk behind doors since they are both Pinoy, right? Just thinking that since there' pandemic and promoters are looking for more interest from the boxing fans, with Casimero and Donaire it's only their local fans that will possibly watch and bet with them, unlike with Inoue, there are big market behind Inoue and with how Casimero engaged with the fans, the trash talks bring him to this level.

He's also a champion and for sure he has that skills and capabilities, plus he's camp (MP) developed more from his skills. This fight with Inoue is very exciting. Both fighters are aggressive in terms of throwing heavy punches and countering the attacks of their opponents.

I don't think so, Donaire is very popular as he beat some big names in the past, so about selling the fight, it's not a problem IMO. Of course Inoue vs Casimero or Donaire vs Inoue is good, but I really think the issue between Donaire and Casimero is serious and they have to settle it inside the ring.

But for now, the first match that we may see is Inoue vs Casimero, as Inoue already indicated his interest on this match. The tale of the tape is already available and the schedule on this site says Dec 18, 10PM ET at MGM Grand Las Vegas. Don't know if this is already official.

https://champinon.info/schedule/inoue-vs-casimero/#close

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Quote from: Fredomago on September 18, 2021, 12:59:36 PM

Quote from: Russlenat on September 18, 2021, 07:10:06 AM

Casimero can do what he wants to do, it's true he is really disrespectful, but that's him, and IMO, it's not nice that Donaire back out in a suppose to be big fight between him and Casimero because he got disrespected, it looks like he was afraid of fighting Casimero that he could persecute in the ring to teach him a lesson.

Or maybe it's just another drama in this sport. It's not hard to talk behind doors since they are both Pinoy, right? Just thinking that since there' pandemic and promoters are looking for more interest from the boxing fans, with Casimero and Donaire it's only their local fans that will possibly watch and bet with them, unlike with Inoue, there are big market behind Inoue and with how Casimero engaged with the fans, the trash talks bring him to this level.

He's also a champion and for sure he has that skills and capabilities, plus he's camp (MP) developed more from his skills. This fight with Inoue is very exciting. Both fighters are aggressive in terms of throwing heavy punches and countering the attacks of their opponents.

I don't think so, Donaire is very popular as he beat some big names in the past, so about selling the fight, it's not a problem IMO. Of course Inoue vs Casimero or Donaire vs Inoue is good, but I really think the issue between Donaire and Casimero is serious and they have to settle it inside the ring.

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Quote from: Russlenat on September 18, 2021, 07:10:06 AM

Casimero can do what he wants to do, it's true he is really disrespectful, but that's him, and IMO, it's not nice that Donaire back out in a suppose to be big fight between him and Casimero because he got disrespected, it looks like he was afraid of fighting Casimero that he could persecute in the ring to teach him a lesson.

Or maybe it's just another drama in this sport. It's not hard to talk behind doors since they are both Pinoy, right? Just thinking that since there' pandemic and promoters are looking for more interest from the boxing fans, with Casimero and Donaire it's only their local fans that will possibly watch and bet with them, unlike with Inoue, there are big market behind Inoue and with how Casimero engaged with the fans, the trash talks bring him to this level.

He's also a champion and for sure he has that skills and capabilities, plus he's camp (MP) developed more from his skills. This fight with Inoue is very exciting. Both fighters are aggressive in terms of throwing heavy punches and countering the attacks of their opponents.

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Quote from: stomachgrowls on September 18, 2021, 06:49:31 AM

Trashtalks arent that bad but as long it wont really be that personal or really crosses the line.Trashtalk like about the fight or something inside about it is just right or i dont see anything bad at all.

What if a boxer would intentioinally do that because it's his technique to destroy his opponent before the fight?

Quote from: stomachgrowls on September 18, 2021, 06:49:31 AM

But i do fully disagree on how Casimero did really make out some personal trashtalks when they are tending to fight with Donaire which i do really see that he really go beyond on that point.

As long the fight is really just focused on between boxers even no matter how hard those trashtalks as long it wont really be going into personal then it does counts.

Casimero can do what he wants to do, it's true he is really disrespectful, but that's him, and IMO, it's not nice that Donaire back out in a suppose to be big fight between him and Casimero because he got disrespected, it looks like he was afraid of fighting Casimero that he could persecute in the ring to teach him a lesson.

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so maybe, he has this trash talking strategy to sell his fight but he is indeed a good person outside the ring.

He is good at his style, so he is keeping it as he is successful with it, it's also fun to see a fight where one trash talk a lot, which gives more excitement for the fans. Inoue is already known to be a great boxer with a big potential to become a superstar, it's a good thing he accepted the challenge of Casimero and that's what we should see this year, hopefully.

Yeah but there are people who do really complaint about being a trashtalker but instead they do prefer on being a humble or not that tactful.Well we do have our own preference in things
and everyone cant be pleased out on what Casimero is been doing and if it turns out that its a little bit harsh on what he's been saying into his opponent then its our personal reaction
and views but there are people who do really look at this to be normal which is part on selling off the fight because they do know on how it could really benefit out.

Boxing would be boring if there's no trash talk, it's not in line with real competition like the Olympics where a fighter represents his country. In professional boxing, it's entertainment, and for people to be entertained, their attention should be called that's why Casimero's style is very effective because the world already notices him and knows him now.

Some arent really just that open minded or versatile on accepting things on where they do make it all to be serious.Its true that boxing is a sport and also a form of entertainment and we cant really deny that its

already been considered as a business and those boxers would typically finding ways to sell out their fight whether they would really be trashtalking or not.It is adding up some spice to get more fans to see such fight.

December is approaching and lets see if those trashtalks is something that Casimero could defend on.

I agree that trashtalk makes boxing more entertaining and fun to watch but what if the trashtalk is below the belt and not even associated with the fight?

Is it still a valid trashtalk just for a purpose of having fun and entertainment?

What can you say guys about Casimero making fun of Freddie Roach saying this coach is like a robot when talking? I think he can say it in other words as I agree at some of his points when asked about being handled by a coach.

Trashtalks arent that bad but as long it wont really be that personal or really crosses the line.Trashtalk like about the fight or something inside about it is just right or i dont see anything bad at all.

But i do fully disagree on how Casimero did really make out some personal trashtalks when they are tending to fight with Donaire which i do really see that he really go beyond on that point.

As long the fight is really just focused on between boxers even no matter how hard those trashtalks as long it wont really be going into personal then it does counts.

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Quote from: goinmerry on September 17, 2021, 05:38:25 PM

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Quote from: Distinctin on September 14, 2021, 03:57:36 PM

Casimero is just surprised as he is quite different from Filipino fighters, he is the only fighter I know that loves to trash talk his opponents, other fighters are so humble, they don't talk much as they respect their opponent. While Casimero though some hates him, but I understand he is just doing his job, this guy talks inside and outside the ring, if you know what I'm saying and that's good.

I have began to wonder if this is just more than a strategy to hype the fight, after all Inoue is Japanese and we know that in the Japanese culture there is a great emphasis on showing the proper respect to your opponents and care about your own honor, I wonder if this is a strategy by Casimero to try to force Inoue to go for him on the first rounds of the match by making him mad with his statements on the media and try to win the fight this way?

They really need to hype the fight. It was reported that the 2 last fight of Casimero didn't reach the target and expected revenues. With Inoue, they will sure got a good revenue as the Japanese name is already big. But Casimero needs to do his part too and making trash talk might be his way.

It takes two to tango, if I'm not mistaken his last two fights is with Duke Micah and Rigo. The Micah fight was really good, there was a lot of back and forth action until he stop Micah. But in the Rigo fight, it was a total snooze fest as Rigo doesn't want to fight toe to toe.

Quote from: goinmerry on September 17, 2021, 05:38:25 PM

But Casimero is already like that. He might be a good person outside the ring but it doesn't mean he didn't mean his trash talk. That's his behaviour even before, trash talking anyone with no limits.

Yes, he has been trash talking because he has the tools to knock out anyone in his division even Inoue, that is if he lands perfectly on the chin.

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Quote from: tabas on September 17, 2021, 05:37:54 PM

Quote from: Russlenat on September 17, 2021, 04:40:37 PM

Boxing would be boring if there's no trash talk, it's not in line with real competition like the Olympics where a fighter represents his country. In professional boxing, it's entertainment, and for people to be entertained, their attention should be called that's why Casimero's style is very effective because the world already notices him and knows him now.

Yes, it's all about entertainment and as well as the glory of the boxer and whoever is going to be a winner. The style that Casimero showed was truly effective for him.
When this match is done on December, maybe he'll do the same again with another boxer and closely it's going to be with Donaire.

Exactly, but Casimero does trash talk in his other fight, but this one is very different, against Inoue and Donaire, other might say he goes out of the line, but it is what we call entertainment and for sure everyone is entertain with the antics of Casimero.

Yeah, waiting for the final announcement this December, hopefully the fight will push through so that before the end of the year we are going to see which boxer can back up this talk.

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Quote from: stomachgrowls on September 17, 2021, 05:48:04 PM

Quote from: Russlenat on September 17, 2021, 04:40:37 PM

Quote from: milewilda on September 17, 2021, 04:24:24 PM

Quote from: freedomgo on September 17, 2021, 03:37:25 PM

Quote from: Twinkledoe on September 17, 2021, 03:23:22 PM

so maybe, he has this trash talking strategy to sell his fight but he is indeed a good person outside the ring.

He is good at his style, so he is keeping it as he is successful with it, it's also fun to see a fight where one trash talk a lot, which gives more excitement for the fans. Inoue is already known to be a great boxer with a big potential to become a superstar, it's a good thing he accepted the challenge of Casimero and that's what we should see this year, hopefully.

Yeah but there are people who do really complaint about being a trashtalker but instead they do prefer on being a humble or not that tactful.Well we do have our own preference in things
and everyone cant be pleased out on what Casimero is been doing and if it turns out that its a little bit harsh on what he's been saying into his opponent then its our personal reaction
and views but there are people who do really look at this to be normal which is part on selling off the fight because they do know on how it could really benefit out.

Boxing would be boring if there's no trash talk, it's not in line with real competition like the Olympics where a fighter represents his country. In professional boxing, it's entertainment, and for people to be entertained, their attention should be called that's why Casimero's style is very effective because the world already notices him and knows him now.

Some arent really just that open minded or versatile on accepting things on where they do make it all to be serious.Its true that boxing is a sport and also a form of entertainment and we cant really deny that its

already been considered as a business and those boxers would typically finding ways to sell out their fight whether they would really be trashtalking or not.It is adding up some spice to get more fans to see such fight.

December is approaching and lets see if those trashtalks is something that Casimero could defend on.

I agree that trashtalk makes boxing more entertaining and fun to watch but what if the trashtalk is below the belt and not even associated with the fight?

Is it still a valid trashtalk just for a purpose of having fun and entertainment?

What can you say guys about Casimero making fun of Freddie Roach saying this coach is like a robot when talking? I think he can say it in other words as I agree at some of his points when asked about being handled by a coach.

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Quote from: Russlenat on September 17, 2021, 04:40:37 PM

Quote from: milewilda on September 17, 2021, 04:24:24 PM

Quote from: freedomgo on September 17, 2021, 03:37:25 PM

Quote from: Twinkledoe on September 17, 2021, 03:23:22 PM

so maybe, he has this trash talking strategy to sell his fight but he is indeed a good person outside the ring.

He is good at his style, so he is keeping it as he is successful with it, it's also fun to see a fight where one trash talk a lot, which gives more excitement for the fans. Inoue is already known to be a great boxer with a big potential to become a superstar, it's a good thing he accepted the challenge of Casimero and that's what we should see this year, hopefully.

Yeah but there are people who do really complaint about being a trashtalker but instead they do prefer on being a humble or not that tactful.Well we do have our own preference in things
and everyone cant be pleased out on what Casimero is been doing and if it turns out that its a little bit harsh on what he's been saying into his opponent then its our personal reaction
and views but there are people who do really look at this to be normal which is part on selling off the fight because they do know on how it could really benefit out.

Boxing would be boring if there's no trash talk, it's not in line with real competition like the Olympics where a fighter represents his country. In professional boxing, it's entertainment, and for people to be entertained, their attention should be called that's why Casimero's style is very effective because the world already notices him and knows him now.

Some arent really just that open minded or versatile on accepting things on where they do make it all to be serious.Its true that boxing is a sport and also a form of entertainment and we cant really deny that its

already been considered as a business and those boxers would typically finding ways to sell out their fight whether they would really be trashtalking or not.It is adding up some spice to get more fans to see such fight.

December is approaching and lets see if those trashtalks is something that Casimero could defend on.

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Quote from: Silberman on September 17, 2021, 02:01:02 PM

Quote from: Distinctin on September 14, 2021, 03:57:36 PM

Casimero is just surprised as he is quite different from Filipino fighters, he is the only fighter I know that loves to trash talk his opponents, other fighters are so humble, they don't talk much as they respect their opponent. While Casimero though some hates him, but I understand he is just doing his job, this guy talks inside and outside the ring, if you know what I'm saying and that's good.

I have began to wonder if this is just more than a strategy to hype the fight, after all Inoue is Japanese and we know that in the Japanese culture there is a great emphasis on showing the proper respect to your opponents and care about your own honor, I wonder if this is a strategy by Casimero to try to force Inoue to go for him on the first rounds of the match by making him mad with his statements on the media and try to win the fight this way?

They really need to hype the fight. It was reported that the 2 last fight of Casimero didn't reach the target and expected revenues. With Inoue, they will sure got a good revenue as the Japanese name is already big. But Casimero needs to do his part too and making trash talk might be his way.

But Casimero is already like that. He might be a good person outside the ring but it doesn't mean he didn't mean his trash talk. That's his behaviour even before, trash talking anyone with no limits.

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Quote from: Russlenat on September 17, 2021, 04:40:37 PM

Boxing would be boring if there's no trash talk, it's not in line with real competition like the Olympics where a fighter represents his country. In professional boxing, it's entertainment, and for people to be entertained, their attention should be called that's why Casimero's style is very effective because the world already notices him and knows him now.

Yes, it's all about entertainment and as well as the glory of the boxer and whoever is going to be a winner. The style that Casimero showed was truly effective for him.
When this match is done on December, maybe he'll do the same again with another boxer and closely it's going to be with Donaire.

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Quote from: freedomgo on September 17, 2021, 03:37:25 PM

Quote from: Twinkledoe on September 17, 2021, 03:23:22 PM

so maybe, he has this trash talking strategy to sell his fight but he is indeed a good person outside the ring.

He is good at his style, so he is keeping it as he is successful with it, it's also fun to see a fight where one trash talk a lot, which gives more excitement for the fans. Inoue is already known to be a great boxer with a big potential to become a superstar, it's a good thing he accepted the challenge of Casimero and that's what we should see this year, hopefully.

It's just that the PH community is sometimes biased towards that view. When Mexicans trashtalking Manny Pacquiao, everyone is on rage mode about it. But when PH boxer is trashtalking, pointing to Casimero, it's now become ok.

But for me, it's ok to trashtalk as long as boxers are able to prove it on the ring. The trashtalk of Mexicans before to Manny Pacquiao didn't yield a winning result. Now with Casimero, if he wins, then his trashtalk makes sense.

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Quote from: freedomgo on September 17, 2021, 03:37:25 PM

Quote from: Twinkledoe on September 17, 2021, 03:23:22 PM

so maybe, he has this trash talking strategy to sell his fight but he is indeed a good person outside the ring.

He is good at his style, so he is keeping it as he is successful with it, it's also fun to see a fight where one trash talk a lot, which gives more excitement for the fans. Inoue is already known to be a great boxer with a big potential to become a superstar, it's a good thing he accepted the challenge of Casimero and that's what we should see this year, hopefully.

Well that is a part of the game --trash talkers sometimes give an entertainment in a game but sometimes it made pissed off by everyone who did not know who the players are. And this is the fastest way how they will market their price because this trash talk will boost a lot of discussion and prediction regarding the fight which means it means people are confused about which side they will place a bet on. No doubt that the most who have potential were Inoue, this challenge is nothing with him.

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Quote from: milewilda on September 17, 2021, 04:24:24 PM

Quote from: freedomgo on September 17, 2021, 03:37:25 PM

Quote from: Twinkledoe on September 17, 2021, 03:23:22 PM

so maybe, he has this trash talking strategy to sell his fight but he is indeed a good person outside the ring.

He is good at his style, so he is keeping it as he is successful with it, it's also fun to see a fight where one trash talk a lot, which gives more excitement for the fans. Inoue is already known to be a great boxer with a big potential to become a superstar, it's a good thing he accepted the challenge of Casimero and that's what we should see this year, hopefully.

Yeah but there are people who do really complaint about being a trashtalker but instead they do prefer on being a humble or not that tactful.Well we do have our own preference in things
and everyone cant be pleased out on what Casimero is been doing and if it turns out that its a little bit harsh on what he's been saying into his opponent then its our personal reaction
and views but there are people who do really look at this to be normal which is part on selling off the fight because they do know on how it could really benefit out.

Boxing would be boring if there's no trash talk, it's not in line with real competition like the Olympics where a fighter represents his country. In professional boxing, it's entertainment, and for people to be entertained, their attention should be called that's why Casimero's style is very effective because the world already notices him and knows him now.

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Quote from: freedomgo on September 17, 2021, 03:37:25 PM

Quote from: Twinkledoe on September 17, 2021, 03:23:22 PM

so maybe, he has this trash talking strategy to sell his fight but he is indeed a good person outside the ring.

He is good at his style, so he is keeping it as he is successful with it, it's also fun to see a fight where one trash talk a lot, which gives more excitement for the fans. Inoue is already known to be a great boxer with a big potential to become a superstar, it's a good thing he accepted the challenge of Casimero and that's what we should see this year, hopefully.

Yeah but there are people who do really complaint about being a trashtalker but instead they do prefer on being a humble or not that tactful.Well we do have our own preference in things
and everyone cant be pleased out on what Casimero is been doing and if it turns out that its a little bit harsh on what he's been saying into his opponent then its our personal reaction
and views but there are people who do really look at this to be normal which is part on selling off the fight because they do know on how it could really benefit out.

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Quote from: Twinkledoe on September 17, 2021, 03:23:22 PM

so maybe, he has this trash talking strategy to sell his fight but he is indeed a good person outside the ring.

He is good at his style, so he is keeping it as he is successful with it, it's also fun to see a fight where one trash talk a lot, which gives more excitement for the fans. Inoue is already known to be a great boxer with a big potential to become a superstar, it's a good thing he accepted the challenge of Casimero and that's what we should see this year, hopefully.

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