[Boxing] Inoue vs Tapales for Unified Super Bantamweight Title - December 26 - page 30.

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I can see Tapales trying to set up counterhooks every time Inoue goes offensive. I have this feeling that a perfectly timed hook by Tapales is enough to hurt the Japanese champion and change the pace of the fight.

Did Fulton employ the same strategy? But look at what happened – he struggled to time Inoue's speed and was eventually overwhelmed, resulting in a knockout defeat. I don't foresee a significant difference with Tapales. On paper, Fulton appears to be the superior fighter compared to Tapales, but just like the Fulton fight, Inoue's victory seemed effortless. It's likely this upcoming fight won't be any different.

If a boxer lacks a sturdy chin and doesn't possess the same level of power as Inoue, their chances of defeating him are likely slim. Regarding Tapales, he's not known for being a knockout artist. This means that Inoue could probably absorb his punches and continue his offensive.

Looking at Tapales' record on https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/482863, he has only secured 19 KO wins in 37 fights. This doesn't compare very favorably to Inoue, who has achieved 22 KO victories in 25 matches.

I'm a bettor with a personal bias, and while I should be supporting Tapales, I can't help but recognize Inoue's exceptional skills.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on August 26, 2023, 05:55:27 AM

I can see Tapales trying to set up counterhooks every time Inoue goes offensive. I have this feeling that a perfectly timed hook by Tapales is enough to hurt the Japanese champion and change the pace of the fight.

Did Fulton employ the same strategy? But look at what happened – he struggled to time Inoue's speed and was eventually overwhelmed, resulting in a knockout defeat. I don't foresee a significant difference with Tapales. On paper, Fulton appears to be the superior fighter compared to Tapales, but just like the Fulton fight, Inoue's victory seemed effortless. It's likely this upcoming fight won't be any different.

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For now, we can close the discussion about the share and proceed with the technical discussion related to the fight. Although, the majority thinks that Inoue has all the technical skills to take down Tapales, does anyone here really believe that he can upset the current monster of Japan?

To be honest, I don't believe an upset is likely to occur in this match. In my opinion, Tapales is more of a brawler; he's skilled with his counter punches. However, when facing an opponent as powerful and fast as Inoue, I doubt he will be able to match up effectively. No offense intended to Tapales' fans, but from my perspective, I see this as another potential KO victory for Inoue.

Right. It is really hard to imagine how Marlon Tapales winning against Naoya Inoue who's in his prime right now. Inoue seems to have the advantage in all aspects. He is the bigger puncher, with better hand speed and footwork. Inoue is most likely the stronger fighter although he doesn't brawl. The world-class experience also favors Inoue.

But still, we cannot count out Tapales. Although he only won a very close fight against former unified champion Morudjon Akhmadaliev, Tapales was a champion for a reason. Tapales is a 2 division world champion and has an underrated power. I can see Tapales trying to set up counterhooks every time Inoue goes offensive. I have this feeling that a perfectly timed hook by Tapales is enough to hurt the Japanese champion and change the pace of the fight.

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But here, he has to be paid good as well because he has the belt that Inoue need to complete another weight class that he will unified.

As someone posted above, maybe the deal will now push through without any problems.

Around 60-40 should be the logical share that makes sense to apply as both Inoue and Tapales are champions and title holders. It's a unification fight and it's not the same as a champion having a mandatory challenger. But yes if we think about it, it's Inoue as the reason why the fight will be sold out and not Tapales that even as a champion, he might even have a hard time making a big event if he faced another fighter instead of Inoue.

That's good news that the fight will finally take place. However, is there any information available about the purse split? If the 60-40 split is accurate, I would assume that it was Tapales' team that initiated contact with Inoue to make the fight happen, even though they would be receiving a smaller share.

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For now, we can close the discussion about the share and proceed with the technical discussion related to the fight. Although, the majority thinks that Inoue has all the technical skills to take down Tapales, does anyone here really believe that he can upset the current monster of Japan?

To be honest, I don't believe an upset is likely to occur in this match. In my opinion, Tapales is more of a brawler; he's skilled with his counter punches. However, when facing an opponent as powerful and fast as Inoue, I doubt he will be able to match up effectively. No offense intended to Tapales' fans, but from my perspective, I see this as another potential KO victory for Inoue.

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But here, he has to be paid good as well because he has the belt that Inoue need to complete another weight class that he will unified.

As someone posted above, maybe the deal will now push through without any problems.

Around 60-40 should be the logical share that makes sense to apply as both Inoue and Tapales are champions and title holders. It's a unification fight and it's not the same as a champion having a mandatory challenger. But yes if we think about it, it's Inoue as the reason why the fight will be sold out and not Tapales that even as a champion, he might even have a hard time making a big event if he faced another fighter instead of Inoue.

For now, we can close the discussion about the share and proceed with the technical discussion related to the fight. Although, the majority thinks that Inoue has all the technical skills to take down Tapales, does anyone here really believe that he can upset the current monster of Japan?

If we base on their performance then they have the same perspective that they must KO their opponent since it's a big impact for their name. But for me I think inoue will be the winner if staples can find the weakness of inoue then for sure the chance of winning are too high for him but if tapales cannot find those weakness then he must secure his play. Cause we are all known that inoue the monster is very dangerous inside the ring he is one of the best boxer in all time so the chances of of winning here is very high for inoue.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on August 25, 2023, 11:43:14 PM

But here, he has to be paid good as well because he has the belt that Inoue need to complete another weight class that he will unified.

As someone posted above, maybe the deal will now push through without any problems.

Around 60-40 should be the logical share that makes sense to apply as both Inoue and Tapales are champions and title holders. It's a unification fight and it's not the same as a champion having a mandatory challenger. But yes if we think about it, it's Inoue as the reason why the fight will be sold out and not Tapales that even as a champion, he might even have a hard time making a big event if he faced another fighter instead of Inoue.

For now, we can close the discussion about the share and proceed with the technical discussion related to the fight. Although, the majority thinks that Inoue has all the technical skills to take down Tapales, does anyone here really believe that he can upset the current monster of Japan?

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Quote from: bittraffic on August 25, 2023, 11:33:18 PM

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Tapales is still a champ which is why Inoue is interested in unifying. Tapales whether he is interested in legacy or not, can demand more cut for himself otherwise Inoue can't build the reputation he wants in this division. Inoue will be willing to give him for the unification to be done.

For Tapales, he certainly will have doubts whether he will win but while he is to think of losing, he might as well just think of making money instead. It's a money grab, if I were him I would even bet for Inoue to make more money and plans to be KO in a particular round. Grin

And that is the business of boxing now, I mean yeah, you can say that they are looking for their legacy, but for me, it's obvious, if they don't like the money that they have been offered, then they will not go and fight that guy.

Marlon Tapales is a unified champ as well, he holds the other two, and although as we have said, his chances are very slim. But he is willing to take that challenge just like the other fighters that Inoue has face. But here, he has to be paid good as well because he has the belt that Inoue need to complete another weight class that he will unified.

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Tapales is still a champ which is why Inoue is interested in unifying. Tapales whether he is interested in legacy or not, can demand more cut for himself otherwise Inoue can't build the reputation he wants in this division. Inoue will be willing to give him for the unification to be done.

For Tapales, he certainly will have doubts whether he will win but while he is to think of losing, he might as well just think of making money instead. It's a money grab, if I were him I would even bet for Inoue to make more money and plans to be KO in a particular round. Grin

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@harizen. On Tapales, what legacy? We should be honest, he is a good boxer but he has no potential to be something similar to Pacman or Inoue. I speculate that he might also lose if Casimero was given an opportunity to fight him.

It's clear from the start that I didn't give Tapales even a + against Inoue. I don't know why you ended up on that response to my post.

If you follow my post before that quote, it's all about Tapales camp's chances of not accepting the fight due to the fact that they might receive a small share of the pie. That's where I include the scenario if Tapales will choose to build a legacy by taking the fight even if the shared was small as a champion or take it to the business and push for a much higher share since Tapales has a low chance of beating Inoue (technically) so in return, have a good money even the chances to win is low.

Quote from: inthelongrun on August 24, 2023, 08:05:05 AM

Tapales' promoter is showing pictures of its fighter already in Los Angeles, USA to start its training. So it seems like the Inoue-Tapales undisputed battle is likely to happen. I assume the money issue is already settled and there are only a few details to finalize between the two teams. Otherwise, Tapales and this team are just spending money without a valid assurance. I am still hoping the fight happens in the US to make it neutral for both champions. Maybe Casimero can fight in the undercard to make the event more exciting.

This is the update that we need as in the first place, it's not even mentioned in the public what is the exact amount that is being offered to Tapales camp which makes them think it's quiet unfair knowing Tapales is also a champion.

Seems the money issue is now settled, and things are now getting more exciting.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on August 24, 2023, 06:21:42 AM

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Unifying all the belts from a current division that he's on now will be his target, and like what you mentioned, he will keep on trying to win more
and to move forward if opportunity will be open to him, Inoue will take every chance he has to win more belts from a different division.

And we have to think about it, Tapales might have a slim chance to unify the belts because he is fighting Inoue. But at least he will give it a shot as he is familiar to be being the underdog again and then pull the biggest surprised.

Yup, it's not new to him being an underdog, he just went from being one and make an upset snatching the belts from the former champ
and now he will be placed again on the same side.

What is good here is he will earn a lot for sure. If the demand from his camp is already being negotiated, even he's an underdog, he will be sure
taking a huge amount to change his lifestyle.

More on how these two camps will agree and sign the deal.

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Quote from: Pamadar on August 24, 2023, 11:12:54 AM

Tapales camp should stay with their grounds and continue to chase for that share that they think they deserve
if the fight takes place.

He's also a champ and the belts that he's holding are what Inoue's seeking, so better to push for what he wants
before signing the deal.

One thing's for sure, this fight is going to be Tapales' biggest purse and i think they will ask for that amount no matter what or this fight will not happen thus shuttering INoue's dream of becoming a 2 division unified champion.

BTW, this early, Tapales is already in the US preparing and training for this fight and probably this fight would take place in December as what i have read so there is enough time for them to train.

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Quote from: Finestream on August 24, 2023, 09:33:53 AM

Crying towards the public will not help them and certainly it will just be an embarrassment of Sean Gibbons of the MP because he is showing his vulnerabilities in the public. What they should do is take a stand to what they can only agree because it's a no secret anymore that Bob Arum will always try and take advantage of anything as long as it can benefit him good specially in this case that they know their cash cow is definitely attracting the right audiences.

Knowing Arum, yeah, Gibson should stay on what he's demanding and not to let Arum to control everything, like what you mentioned
he will try everything to make sure that he's on the upper hands in terms of profits.

Tapales camp should stay with their grounds and continue to chase for that share that they think they deserve
if the fight takes place.

He's also a champ and the belts that he's holding are what Inoue's seeking, so better to push for what he wants
before signing the deal.

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And we have to think about it, Tapales might have a slim chance to unify the belts because he is fighting Inoue. But at least he will give it a shot as he is familiar to be being the underdog again and then pull the biggest surprised.

I don't think it's Tapales who will pull off a surprise by beating Inoue. Inoue is currently in his prime, and he is a very dominant boxer. As we saw in his previous fights, his opponents are even afraid to go toe-to-toe with him, as they know one mistake is likely to result in a knockout loss. Tapales may be too confident because he trusts himself greatly, which is a good quality for a boxer. However, as a fan, we know that Inoue isn't going to take this lightly and Tapales might suffer the same faith of the boxers who tried to challenge Inoue.

Tapales being gutsy will help him in his fight but that doesn't mean that his chances are increasing along with it and I also think that him having this kind of manner is only to help selling the fight as this is his best shot in having the biggest paycheck in his career. So, it may be a win or lose at the end of the day, but it's surely a win-win situation for him and an honor as well because not all boxers had the chance to fight against someone like Naoya Inoue.

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And speaking of this fight, I read that the two camps are back in negotiation tables right now? So it's good for Tapales though, perhaps it was a mistake on the side of Inoue and maybe they realized that they really need Tapales as he has the 2 other belts as well.

As for the rankings in PH, yeah, most likely Casimero and Tapales will be the best 2 fighters for them. So regardless of who is going to be the #1 or second rank contender, still valid as Tapales has the belt while Casimero is just racking up wins in his new division.

I cannot blame Inoue or somebody from his camp for playing against Tapales's camp because before the fight, they should talk about business first where everything is a must.

And for business, Inoue's camp might've thought that Tapales will be okay with what they are offering because even if they are both fair in this bout, Inoue is the one who can bring more food in the table but Tapales wasn't impressed by that because they know that they are playing a tug-of-war and they are asking for a much fairer price as they know that Inoue is more inclined to have his belts rather than jumping another weight class again.

Regarding about Casimero, what's with him these days? He should at least fight once again this year, specifically Luis Nery, to keep him warm and defeat the competition because he is the one chasing for the champion and surely not the other way around.

But if I'm not mistaken, Sean Gibbons of MP are taking care of Tapales? And with that, it's a wrong mindset if they think that they can away with offering Tapales low money. Of course, Gibbons are going to cry and will tell it to public. And in which how we all knew about the negotiations.

So it's good to hear that Inoue is still interested on the fight and should give Marlon what he deserves in the negotiating table. Maybe just enough for Marlon and his camp and be satisfied of the pay check that the Inoue camp is offering.

Crying towards the public will not help them and certainly it will just be an embarrassment of Sean Gibbons of the MP because he is showing his vulnerabilities in the public. What they should do is take a stand to what they can only agree because it's a no secret anymore that Bob Arum will always try and take advantage of anything as long as it can benefit him good specially in this case that they know their cash cow is definitely attracting the right audiences.

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Tapales' promoter is showing pictures of its fighter already in Los Angeles, USA to start its training. So it seems like the Inoue-Tapales undisputed battle is likely to happen. I assume the money issue is already settled and there are only a few details to finalize between the two teams. Otherwise, Tapales and this team are just spending money without a valid assurance. I am still hoping the fight happens in the US to make it neutral for both champions. Maybe Casimero can fight in the undercard to make the event more exciting.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on August 24, 2023, 06:21:42 AM

And we have to think about it, Tapales might have a slim chance to unify the belts because he is fighting Inoue. But at least he will give it a shot as he is familiar to be being the underdog again and then pull the biggest surprised.

I don't think it's Tapales who will pull off a surprise by beating Inoue. Inoue is currently in his prime, and he is a very dominant boxer. As we saw in his previous fights, his opponents are even afraid to go toe-to-toe with him, as they know one mistake is likely to result in a knockout loss. Tapales may be too confident because he trusts himself greatly, which is a good quality for a boxer. However, as a fan, we know that Inoue isn't going to take this lightly and Tapales might suffer the same faith of the boxers who tried to challenge Inoue.

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So it's good to hear that Inoue is still interested on the fight and should give Marlon what he deserves in the negotiating table. Maybe just enough for Marlon and his camp and be satisfied of the pay check that the Inoue camp is offering.

Inoue's camp is just trying to delay the negotiations a bit, as they know Tapales would be willing to fight if the price is right. Tapales was the underdog when he won the championship, so it's obvious that he is not a popular boxer. However, since he has become a champion, which Inoue is very interested in due to the opportunity to get his belts, that's why he's standing firm with his demands. It's a good thing that there's now some hope of it happening.

Inoue's goal is to unify and then move to another weight class to unify again. He is already 30 which means time is of the essence for him and if Tapales wants to make a ton of money he definitely needs to raise his cut. It's a one-time opportunity for him as this kind will not come again.

Tapales has skills but it's no match to Inoue. But he is more interested in making a record. He had to keep moving up and get as much belt as possible until he reached the size where he won't be able to resist a punch coming from someone from a heavier class.

Tapales chance to make money is in here. I mean, if he wanted to have that luxury, demanding for a much higher cut is what he
needs to do, as Inoue is really aiming for a good legacy.

And he has all the rights to demand as he has the other half of the belt here. And maybe yes, he is thinking about the money and how it can change his life and his family back in the province of the Philippines. And it's good to know that MP is also working hard for him to get Tapales that needed paycheck against Inoue.

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Unifying all the belts from a current division that he's on now will be his target, and like what you mentioned, he will keep on trying to win more
and to move forward if opportunity will be open to him, Inoue will take every chance he has to win more belts from a different division.

And we have to think about it, Tapales might have a slim chance to unify the belts because he is fighting Inoue. But at least he will give it a shot as he is familiar to be being the underdog again and then pull the biggest surprised.

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So it's good to hear that Inoue is still interested on the fight and should give Marlon what he deserves in the negotiating table. Maybe just enough for Marlon and his camp and be satisfied of the pay check that the Inoue camp is offering.

Inoue's camp is just trying to delay the negotiations a bit, as they know Tapales would be willing to fight if the price is right. Tapales was the underdog when he won the championship, so it's obvious that he is not a popular boxer. However, since he has become a champion, which Inoue is very interested in due to the opportunity to get his belts, that's why he's standing firm with his demands. It's a good thing that there's now some hope of it happening.

And one thing that Tapales can hold in his negotiations is that he has the other two belts that Inoue wanted. So if by chance Inoue does need it, then he will have to go to Tapales and his team to negotiate.
Unless he waits for Tapales to lose, however, not bashing Marlon here, but he is very weak as a champion and we all know how the Monster play right now. So yeah, one shot deal for Tapales have a good money in the table and then most likely he is going to lose that belt.

It's not impossible for this to happen given Inoue's skills. It's either he will lose to Inoue and earn a substantial amount of money, or lose to a challenger who would take his belt for less money. This should also be the mindset of Tapales' camp because he isn't a top-rated boxer. To be honest, I would like to see a fight between Casimero and Tapales to finally make the long-awaited Casimero vs. Inoue bout happen, which fans have been eagerly calling for.

I actually thought that everything was already ironed out when Tapales appeared in the Inoue/Fulton fight. However, it seems they still haven't reached an agreement on the sharing of profits. This situation seems like a series of mind games, with the hope that they will eventually agree. Hopefully, they won't prolong it too much, as fans are already eager for some action.

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So it's good to hear that Inoue is still interested on the fight and should give Marlon what he deserves in the negotiating table. Maybe just enough for Marlon and his camp and be satisfied of the pay check that the Inoue camp is offering.

Inoue's camp is just trying to delay the negotiations a bit, as they know Tapales would be willing to fight if the price is right. Tapales was the underdog when he won the championship, so it's obvious that he is not a popular boxer. However, since he has become a champion, which Inoue is very interested in due to the opportunity to get his belts, that's why he's standing firm with his demands. It's a good thing that there's now some hope of it happening.

Inoue's goal is to unify and then move to another weight class to unify again. He is already 30 which means time is of the essence for him and if Tapales wants to make a ton of money he definitely needs to raise his cut. It's a one-time opportunity for him as this kind will not come again.

Tapales has skills but it's no match to Inoue. But he is more interested in making a record. He had to keep moving up and get as much belt as possible until he reached the size where he won't be able to resist a punch coming from someone from a heavier class.

Tapales chance to make money is in here. I mean, if he wanted to have that luxury, demanding for a much higher cut is what he
needs to do, as Inoue is really aiming for a good legacy.

Unifying all the belts from a current division that he's on now will be his target, and like what you mentioned, he will keep on trying to win more
and to move forward if opportunity will be open to him, Inoue will take every chance he has to win more belts from a different division.

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So it's good to hear that Inoue is still interested on the fight and should give Marlon what he deserves in the negotiating table. Maybe just enough for Marlon and his camp and be satisfied of the pay check that the Inoue camp is offering.

Inoue's camp is just trying to delay the negotiations a bit, as they know Tapales would be willing to fight if the price is right. Tapales was the underdog when he won the championship, so it's obvious that he is not a popular boxer. However, since he has become a champion, which Inoue is very interested in due to the opportunity to get his belts, that's why he's standing firm with his demands. It's a good thing that there's now some hope of it happening.

And one thing that Tapales can hold in his negotiations is that he has the other two belts that Inoue wanted. So if by chance Inoue does need it, then he will have to go to Tapales and his team to negotiate.
Unless he waits for Tapales to lose, however, not bashing Marlon here, but he is very weak as a champion and we all know how the Monster play right now. So yeah, one shot deal for Tapales have a good money in the table and then most likely he is going to lose that belt.

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