[Boxing] Nonito Donaire vs Alejandro Santiago for WBC bantamweight title - page 41.

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Quote from: rhomelmabini on February 17, 2023, 05:52:30 AM

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The news just came out about a championship fight in the bantamweight division. We were worried that we might not be able to see Donaire fight soon when his last fight was cancelled. However, this new championship match has been announced and we will get to see him fight soon. Although the specific date has not been released yet, it will be announced soon for sure

Not sure if Donaire can still keep up with young guns but I'm rooting for him to win this match between Santiago. I think Santiago is a decent fighter and now that he's in his prime compare to an ageing Donaire I think the chance for him to beat one of the greatest was likely 60/40.

That's always the problem when an old fighter will fight against a younger one.

Same with Pacquiao when he's at his post-prime years already. Many are thinking on how he can keep up with his younger opponents. He may not beat them by TKO, but he can still win thru decision. I will not say that Donaire is the same as Pacquiao, but I guess Donaire still have the stamina and the power to fight against younger boxers.

I can't find any highlights of his opponent on Youtube though, but with 14 KO's out of 27 wins from Santiago, I might bet that this will end up in a decision and if that happens, I just don't know if Donaire can last up to 12 rounds.

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Quote from: robelneo on February 18, 2023, 06:46:25 PM

I hope things will work out for Donaire and he shrugs off his loss against Inoue, it's hard to make a comeback coming from that devastating loss, this is a surprise replacement for Moloney there are circumstances that late replacement pulls out a surprise, like what happened to Pacquiao against Ledwaba.

I think Nonito Donaire had already moved on from the devastating lost against Inoue. If you can see, Nonito is way more eager to get another title even planning to move down in the weight category in order to bag another title.

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I know Donaire still has it, I still see the speed and the offense against Inoue it's just the wrong strategy that backfired I'm sure his camp will not let this happen again, I just want to see Donaire going into retirement with a title he deserves it for what he has brought to the boxing community.

Donaire somehow slow down but still faster than any other boxer in his weight class. The scheduled opponent is way weaker than Inoue, so I think Nonito Donaire has more chance of winning fighting Santiago than Moloney so I think this is a lucky break for Donaire once again.

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Quote from: robelneo on February 18, 2023, 06:46:25 PM

I hope things will work out for Donaire and he shrugs off his loss against Inoue, it's hard to make a comeback coming from that devastating loss, this is a surprise replacement for Moloney there are circumstances that late replacement pulls out a surprise, like what happened to Pacquiao against Ledwaba.
I know Donaire still has it, I still see the speed and the offense against Inoue it's just the wrong strategy that backfired I'm sure his camp will not let this happen again, I just want to see Donaire going into retirement with a title he deserves it for what he has brought to the boxing community.

One thing that causes losses to Donaire is he has this attitude of being too confident that he will have a strong advantage over his opponent which happens to be his weakness. He sometimes underestimates his opponents without considering their strengths in the ring. I think that's something that he should change. He must know his opponent's strengths first and learn how to counter them or else he will end up losing again. I hope his previous losses would serve him a lesson and be better this time.

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I hope things will work out for Donaire and he shrugs off his loss against Inoue, it's hard to make a comeback coming from that devastating loss, this is a surprise replacement for Moloney there are circumstances that late replacement pulls out a surprise, like what happened to Pacquiao against Ledwaba.
I know Donaire still has it, I still see the speed and the offense against Inoue it's just the wrong strategy that backfired I'm sure his camp will not let this happen again, I just want to see Donaire going into retirement with a title he deserves it for what he has brought to the boxing community.

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Quote from: Jawhead999 on February 18, 2023, 03:13:31 AM

So Jason Moloney cancelled his bout against Donaire and then it's get replaced with Santiago? well it will be good for Donaire because Santiago is weaker than Moloney, I was think Moloney will able to beat Donaire, but in this match I'm more convinced Donaire will able to beat Santiago. Santiago biggest fight was against Gary Russell, but he lost via decision.

Yes, that's true mate, Moloney though might change a different route to get a belt as well. But his not willing to take the fight, was somewhat a "blessing in disguise" for the Flash himself. Santiago will be less of a challenge for him.

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Yes, this fight is happening, I posted it here first, hehehe.

Anyways, it's good to have a separate thread for this fight, this is for the bantamweight belt so it's deserves one.

And as the majority of you guys see it, we are going to favor our very own Nonito Donaire and his chances are good to win another bantamweight reign. Santiago might be unknown to us, not enough in the top 5, but it doesn't mean that it will be easy for Donaire. Still very hard fight but at the end, the experience of Donaire will be in full display here, how he is going to set up that left hook, coverage of the ring and setting feint and traps to open Santiago and then give us his patented left hook to finish with a knockout.

Yup, no such thing as an easy fight for Donaire now especially at this stage of his career but i could say that this one is very winnable. As usual, Donaire's height or we say, he is the bigger fighter here which could be the biggest advantage of the Filipino Flash. Santiago is 5'2 which i think will give him a hard time to hit Donaire and him vulnerable to that patented counter left hook which could end the fight quickly.

True, will not be an easy fight for Nonito, still have to work a lot in the gym because he is not that young anymore. He needs to get that body moving and definitely that counter left hook that he is known off will be in display here from round 1. So it's hard for Santiago to cope with that kind of counter, he needs to be very quick as he might be the next victim of Nonito's signature punch.

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For sure Donaire's gonna be the hedge of the bets, all eyes were on him since day 1. As for Alejandro Santiago, he has to prove something here in order to gain the favor of the public. Donaire's a more popular, and a more experienced fighter, Alejandro doesn't seem to have the best fighting record too.

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Anyway how you can be sure this will be the last fight for Donaire?

Others say that it will be a good exit to consider by Donaire after being a champion again. Much better instead of just doing a retirement after a loss. For me, I'm not thinking that way because if Donaire wins here, he will think that he can still match with other bantamweight boxers which is actually true.

I do believe that Donaire will just consider retiring if he won't win another match here in the Bantamweight division.

He needs to see for himself if he is still capable of being dominant in this division since after all, Naoya Inoue is nowhere to be found on 118 which is no doubt, no one in the Bantamweight can beat that monster. I'm sure that if he losses this fight, that's it for his career.

His age has caught up to him, but he's still fighting, that's one thing I really applaud about Donaire, which until this point to me is just "a Manny Pacquiao knock-off" honestly. But seeing how hard he's trying to prove that he's still got it just made me respect the man on a newer level. Anyways, yeah, retiring after a loss isn't a great track record to leave your boxing career on, might as well take up another potential win before hanging your gloves for a positive win rate.

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Quote from: Jawhead999 on February 18, 2023, 03:13:31 AM

Anyway how you can be sure this will be the last fight for Donaire?

Others say that it will be a good exit to consider by Donaire after being a champion again. Much better instead of just doing a retirement after a loss. For me, I'm not thinking that way because if Donaire wins here, he will think that he can still match with other bantamweight boxers which is actually true.

I do believe that Donaire will just consider retiring if he won't win another match here in the Bantamweight division.

He needs to see for himself if he is still capable of being dominant in this division since after all, Naoya Inoue is nowhere to be found on 118 which is no doubt, no one in the Bantamweight can beat that monster. I'm sure that if he losses this fight, that's it for his career.

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Quote from: Johnyz on February 18, 2023, 11:45:08 AM

Quote from: Jawhead999 on February 18, 2023, 03:13:31 AM

Anyway how you can be sure this will be the last fight for Donaire?

Probably because of his age but no official statement yet from Donaire or either form his team maybe they are still focus on the up coming match of Donaire.
If Donaire will lose on this match, then it will be hard for him to recover and maybe this will be his last match because he is no longer capable of winning.
We'll see from the result of this and hope that Donaire will retire with a win, that can be a good pride to the Filipino community.

Many talks about the retirement but after that you’ll see them in the ring again fighting another boxer so I think there’s no real retirement in boxing as long as there are still offer for you to fight.

Donaire’s focused is on his up coming match with Santiago if there’s no changes anymore. Santiago is still young, so this will be a big challenge to Donaire to match the aggressiveness of young Santiago, though based on numbers Donair is on a good advantage here.

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Quote from: Jawhead999 on February 18, 2023, 03:13:31 AM

Anyway how you can be sure this will be the last fight for Donaire?

Probably because of his age but no official statement yet from Donaire or either form his team maybe they are still focus on the up coming match of Donaire.
If Donaire will lose on this match, then it will be hard for him to recover and maybe this will be his last match because he is no longer capable of winning.
We'll see from the result of this and hope that Donaire will retire with a win, that can be a good pride to the Filipino community.

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Yes, this fight is happening, I posted it here first, hehehe.

Anyways, it's good to have a separate thread for this fight, this is for the bantamweight belt so it's deserves one.

And as the majority of you guys see it, we are going to favor our very own Nonito Donaire and his chances are good to win another bantamweight reign. Santiago might be unknown to us, not enough in the top 5, but it doesn't mean that it will be easy for Donaire. Still very hard fight but at the end, the experience of Donaire will be in full display here, how he is going to set up that left hook, coverage of the ring and setting feint and traps to open Santiago and then give us his patented left hook to finish with a knockout.

Yup, no such thing as an easy fight for Donaire now especially at this stage of his career but i could say that this one is very winnable. As usual, Donaire's height or we say, he is the bigger fighter here which could be the biggest advantage of the Filipino Flash. Santiago is 5'2 which i think will give him a hard time to hit Donaire and him vulnerable to that patented counter left hook which could end the fight quickly.

Talking about Donaire's current situation. Honestly, I can't help but laugh whenever I see and read some folks that we shouldn't add Donaire's age as a factor that will be given as an advantage for his opponent because his performance is still good. I mean, what? That's almost impossible to do and to turn a blind eye for Donaire's current situation as surely age is always a factor same as youth.

But in this case, it seems that Donaire's situation won't be a hurdle as Santiago is not that type who can give Donaire some huge struggle as he doesn't have the height-reach advantage especially the experience.

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This will be a good for Donaire considering that his opponent is younger than him but with low probability of knocking him down. It's hard to choose who's going to win here since both of them has something that we can't look down. It's Santiago's prime year versus Donaire's experience in the ring. But considering that Donaire has a good chance of knocking down his opponent plus he's more dominant in height. I guess most of the topic would support Donaire already on this one just by looking at the record each one of them.

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Quote from: Jawhead999 on February 18, 2023, 03:13:31 AM

So Jason Moloney cancelled his bout against Donaire and then it's get replaced with Santiago? well it will be good for Donaire because Santiago is weaker than Moloney, I was think Moloney will able to beat Donaire, but in this match I'm more convinced Donaire will able to beat Santiago. Santiago biggest fight was against Gary Russell, but he lost via decision.

Anyway how you can be sure this will be the last fight for Donaire?

If it is Moloney then maybe it will be, but with Santiago, if this becomes an easy win for him then he could aim for unifying the titles.
I don't think he will retire after it, maybe 2 to 3 more fights before he will say he is done.
Santiago is the lucky dude here though, I cannot see him in the rankings posted by other websites but from what I read from another random site, he is number 4 in the WBC ranks.
But after this fight against Donaire, they are also obligated to fight for whoever will win against Reymart Gaballo and Nawaphon Sor Rungvisai which is set in May.
Moloney on the other hand twitted something.

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Quote from: Jawhead999 on February 18, 2023, 03:13:31 AM

So Jason Moloney cancelled his bout against Donaire and then it's get replaced with Santiago? well it will be good for Donaire because Santiago is weaker than Moloney, I was think Moloney will able to beat Donaire, but in this match I'm more convinced Donaire will able to beat Santiago. Santiago biggest fight was against Gary Russell, but he lost via decision.

I would rather see Donaire fight the best than see him fight against a fighter that he can easily dominate. If we believe that Moloney is better than Donaire, then why did Moloney cancel the fight? Maybe it's only us who believe he is the better fighter, but he doesn't feel the same way.

Quote from: Jawhead999 on February 18, 2023, 03:13:31 AM

Anyway how you can be sure this will be the last fight for Donaire?

There's no assurance that it could be his last fight since he hasn't made an announcement. It's just speculation, but it would be nice if he retires with a clean record.

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Quote from: Jawhead999 on February 18, 2023, 03:13:31 AM

So Jason Moloney cancelled his bout against Donaire and then it's get replaced with Santiago? well it will be good for Donaire because Santiago is weaker than Moloney, I was think Moloney will able to beat Donaire, but in this match I'm more convinced Donaire will able to beat Santiago. Santiago biggest fight was against Gary Russell, but he lost via decision.

Anyway how you can be sure this will be the last fight for Donaire?

If it is true that Donaire will fight Santiago then this fight is an opportunity for Donaire to be able to win because if we look at the way he fights and his last few fights, Donaire has the upper hand.
But here Donaire still has to train well and prepare himself as much as possible for that fight, because after all he has to stay alert and not underestimate whoever his opponent is even though the one he will face is weaker than him.
If this fight is the last fight for Donaire I'm still not sure because if Donaire really can win then surely he will continue on to another fight to be able to prove a big achievement and show that he deserves to be a champion.

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So Jason Moloney cancelled his bout against Donaire and then it's get replaced with Santiago? well it will be good for Donaire because Santiago is weaker than Moloney, I was think Moloney will able to beat Donaire, but in this match I'm more convinced Donaire will able to beat Santiago. Santiago biggest fight was against Gary Russell, but he lost via decision.

Anyway how you can be sure this will be the last fight for Donaire?

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Yes, this fight is happening, I posted it here first, hehehe.

Anyways, it's good to have a separate thread for this fight, this is for the bantamweight belt so it's deserves one.

And as the majority of you guys see it, we are going to favor our very own Nonito Donaire and his chances are good to win another bantamweight reign. Santiago might be unknown to us, not enough in the top 5, but it doesn't mean that it will be easy for Donaire. Still very hard fight but at the end, the experience of Donaire will be in full display here, how he is going to set up that left hook, coverage of the ring and setting feint and traps to open Santiago and then give us his patented left hook to finish with a knockout.

Yup, no such thing as an easy fight for Donaire now especially at this stage of his career but i could say that this one is very winnable. As usual, Donaire's height or we say, he is the bigger fighter here which could be the biggest advantage of the Filipino Flash. Santiago is 5'2 which i think will give him a hard time to hit Donaire and him vulnerable to that patented counter left hook which could end the fight quickly.

But given Donaire's age, I think I can't really expect that he will struggle to win against Santiago. In Donaire's 38 to 40 years old span, he faces young fights which is not in the same level of performance on Santiago. Donaire KO a young boxer on his prime Reymart Gaballo and faces Inoue with a good performance although only on their first match.

I'm not considering Santiago as a threat but upset can always happened.

Not only a young Reymart Gaballo, but Ouballi, on how he destroys him when they face and you like seeing a prime Donaire, as if he turns back the clock. So it could be end that way, like the smaller fighters that Donaire faces, or at least he has the height advantages, he all knock them down or out cold.

Boxers, like Darchy, Arce, and Montiel. So definitely, we should all look for Donaire scoring a statement knockout.

If not then he might win in the majority of the rounds, dominate Santiago.

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Yes, this fight is happening, I posted it here first, hehehe.

Anyways, it's good to have a separate thread for this fight, this is for the bantamweight belt so it's deserves one.

And as the majority of you guys see it, we are going to favor our very own Nonito Donaire and his chances are good to win another bantamweight reign. Santiago might be unknown to us, not enough in the top 5, but it doesn't mean that it will be easy for Donaire. Still very hard fight but at the end, the experience of Donaire will be in full display here, how he is going to set up that left hook, coverage of the ring and setting feint and traps to open Santiago and then give us his patented left hook to finish with a knockout.

Yup, no such thing as an easy fight for Donaire now especially at this stage of his career but i could say that this one is very winnable. As usual, Donaire's height or we say, he is the bigger fighter here which could be the biggest advantage of the Filipino Flash. Santiago is 5'2 which i think will give him a hard time to hit Donaire and him vulnerable to that patented counter left hook which could end the fight quickly.

But given Donaire's age, I think I can't really expect that he will struggle to win against Santiago. In Donaire's 38 to 40 years old span, he faces young fights which is not in the same level of performance on Santiago. Donaire KO a young boxer on his prime Reymart Gaballo and faces Inoue with a good performance although only on their first match.

I'm not considering Santiago as a threat but upset can always happened.

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Quote from: TimeTeller on February 17, 2023, 04:59:27 PM

For the odds, I believe, Donaire will also be the favorite here despite his age.
It is good that they found another boxer to fight for this belt.
The sooner the better, as he needs to finish what he wants to finish before he hang his gloves.
He still has something to give to his fans, hence, he keeps on fighting.

Since Donaire is still on the WBC top rankings even after losing to Inoue, he will really have this title-shot opportunity.

Alejandro Santiago should be handled more easily by Donaire compared to rank 1 Jason Moloney.

Not saying this match will be an easy win for Donaire despite his age compared to facing Moloney but it should be.

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Quote from: Baofeng on February 17, 2023, 06:14:45 PM

Yes, this fight is happening, I posted it here first, hehehe.

Anyways, it's good to have a separate thread for this fight, this is for the bantamweight belt so it's deserves one.

And as the majority of you guys see it, we are going to favor our very own Nonito Donaire and his chances are good to win another bantamweight reign. Santiago might be unknown to us, not enough in the top 5, but it doesn't mean that it will be easy for Donaire. Still very hard fight but at the end, the experience of Donaire will be in full display here, how he is going to set up that left hook, coverage of the ring and setting feint and traps to open Santiago and then give us his patented left hook to finish with a knockout.

Yup, no such thing as an easy fight for Donaire now especially at this stage of his career but i could say that this one is very winnable. As usual, Donaire's height or we say, he is the bigger fighter here which could be the biggest advantage of the Filipino Flash. Santiago is 5'2 which i think will give him a hard time to hit Donaire and him vulnerable to that patented counter left hook which could end the fight quickly.

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Yes, this fight is happening, I posted it here first, hehehe.

Anyways, it's good to have a separate thread for this fight, this is for the bantamweight belt so it's deserves one.

And as the majority of you guys see it, we are going to favor our very own Nonito Donaire and his chances are good to win another bantamweight reign. Santiago might be unknown to us, not enough in the top 5, but it doesn't mean that it will be easy for Donaire. Still very hard fight but at the end, the experience of Donaire will be in full display here, how he is going to set up that left hook, coverage of the ring and setting feint and traps to open Santiago and then give us his patented left hook to finish with a knockout.

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