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It's because on how Mike really market himself in this fight. There are a lot of videos of hype training very hard and then others saying that he is in the best shape of his life. He could be, but it's the question if he can pull the trigger or not. So definitely at 58 years old, he can't do it any more, he gets tired after the first two rounds and just showing a glimpse of himself throughout the 8 rounds.

You can call it that way, we've been deceived while Jake and Mike going to the bank and cashing it out. And now there are reports that the fight could have been scripted. But regardless, we know that Mike Tyson is not going to win this fight.

It's easy to say that the fight was scripted but difficult for many people to believe without a proof. I could easily guess it's scripted because I felt that with Mike's records and practices he can win but at same time we know that Mike's age was really something not to compare with a young energetic man. They caused a lot of gamblers their money.
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His financial level isn't similar to that of Drake. Whether he's saying the truth or it is a built story, I completely go with him. Not just because he's a fan of Mike Tyson, the majority believed that he'll win, unlike the age and Jake Paul being very young. After the fight, everyone understood this was a pre-planned one, because if Tyson had won, it would have gone just as news. Now the win of Jake Paul will be discussed till Tyson makes a win against him. Everything is considered as content, and whether we win the bet or not, we're the losers. Unlike the win and loss, both players are making millions, which is pure business.

There's no doubt by so many people who believed that Tyson was going to win that contest, I actually believed that will his experience and for old times records, he was going to win but at same time I just felt that the age difference could also be a barrier which left me with no valid conclusion of who was going to be the winner.  If actually this was just a content, then they deceived people into betting on the contest just to lose money.

It's because on how Mike really market himself in this fight. There are a lot of videos of hype training very hard and then others saying that he is in the best shape of his life. He could be, but it's the question if he can pull the trigger or not. So definitely at 58 years old, he can't do it any more, he gets tired after the first two rounds and just showing a glimpse of himself throughout the 8 rounds.

You can call it that way, we've been deceived while Jake and Mike going to the bank and cashing it out. And now there are reports that the fight could have been scripted. But regardless, we know that Mike Tyson is not going to win this fight.
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Most of those punches could have caused a KO and both Jake and Tyson dodged a fair few great punches. They were both throwing good ones right to the end though they were few and far between. If it was fixed, scripted or there was a no KO agreement I think it would have been obvious and the fight would have gone a much different way.

Did you not see that Jake had few chances to knock him out in the link you just shared? Or am I the only one noticing it? Grin I'm not a professional boxer, but Tyson repeatedly exposed his face for a knockout, and he was already looking exhausted in the final round. Financially, it was a good business, but it was a disaster on a sporting level.



Well that's easier said than done and you can watch any fight back and ask yourself why didn't a fighter do x or y in any fight. Fighters get tired. Fighters conserve energy. Where was their stance or balance? Fighters don't always see the opportunities spectators do or watching a fight back after the fact. Hindsight is always 20/20.

Jake vs Ishowspeed: Why is the WBO allowing clown to clown fixtures?I get they need the money and publicity, but letting a YouTuber with no boxing experience enter a professional ring is insane. I wonder what boxing fans think about this match.

Huh? There is no fight between them. I doubt IShowSpeed would get into the ring with Jake anyway and it's just clout chasing. I'm sure IShowSpeed will get into the ring at some point but probably not with Jake as a first fight.
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His financial level isn't similar to that of Drake. Whether he's saying the truth or it is a built story, I completely go with him. Not just because he's a fan of Mike Tyson, the majority believed that he'll win, unlike the age and Jake Paul being very young. After the fight, everyone understood this was a pre-planned one, because if Tyson had won, it would have gone just as news. Now the win of Jake Paul will be discussed till Tyson makes a win against him. Everything is considered as content, and whether we win the bet or not, we're the losers. Unlike the win and loss, both players are making millions, which is pure business.

There's no doubt by so many people who believed that Tyson was going to win that contest, I actually believed that will his experience and for old times records, he was going to win but at same time I just felt that the age difference could also be a barrier which left me with no valid conclusion of who was going to be the winner.  If actually this was just a content, then they deceived people into betting on the contest just to lose money.
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So, yesterday I was swiping through a social platform that I have on my phone and I came across this guy speaking bitterly of how Tyson caused him lose $14, 000  Grin, I couldn't help but laugh at how he over exaggerated on the loss, owning to the fact that he as a fan of Mike, believed that the man was going to win but end up causing him $14k.

I'm always skeptical about all the viral videos that pop out on the media platforms. People would say/do literally anything for the clout these days.
But assuming his story is true, as painful as it is, it's probably better that he got burnt early in life with only $14k and hopefully learned a lesson for life. He looks like a young kid, so, if he's not a retard, he'll earn more than that in his life anyway and hopefully will be more careful in taking risks.
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So, yesterday I was swiping through a social platform that I have on my phone and I came across this guy speaking bitterly of how Tyson caused him lose $14, 000  Grin, I couldn't help but laugh at how he over exaggerated on the loss, owning to the fact that he as a fan of Mike, believed that the man was going to win but end up causing him $14k.

Lol, but he just have to think of Drake who bet $335,000 and lost as well. The only difference is that it could be just a drop for Drake but this kid might be saving this money for a long time.

And probably this is the reason why we can this fight as a scam. It's because Tyson really put up a good training video and then there are people who thinks that the has a chance to win. But we all know that he is already old and slow, but this kid didn't take that into consideration and maybe counting that he will get a good windfall since Mike Tyson is the underdog.

I don't think his financial level is up to that of Drake, but if he actually spend all his savings on that bet, then he is not financially smart. Being the fan of Tyson  will not stop him from losing a fight if he was really meant to lose the fight.
His financial level isn't similar to that of Drake. Whether he's saying the truth or it is a built story, I completely go with him. Not just because he's a fan of Mike Tyson, the majority believed that he'll win, unlike the age and Jake Paul being very young. After the fight, everyone understood this was a pre-planned one, because if Tyson had won, it would have gone just as news. Now the win of Jake Paul will be discussed till Tyson makes a win against him. Everything is considered as content, and whether we win the bet or not, we're the losers. Unlike the win and loss, both players are making millions, which is pure business.
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Did you not see that Jake had few chances to knock him out in the link you just shared? Or am I the only one noticing it? Grin I'm not a professional boxer, but Tyson repeatedly exposed his face for a knockout, and he was already looking exhausted in the final round. Financially, it was a good business, but it was a disaster on a sporting level.
Mhan, it was quite obvious that Mike wasn't himself from the third round... I feared even more for him when he lost his finger grips and all he could do at the time was scramble in a way, to see if he could block the forthcoming punches from the rookie.

Mike's aged and not as strong as what he might think he is.. on top of that, he's been off for 20 whole years(if I'm not wrong)...Who comes back to some type of job after such as huge retirement rest?
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Jake vs Ishowspeed: Why is the WBO allowing clown to clown fixtures?
Oh c'monnn, speed is such a clown... He's made a lot of money off the Internet just by acting weird with celebs. But I'd love to ask, how did we get here? This was a sport we all enjoyed in the 1900s and early 2000s .
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Most of those punches could have caused a KO and both Jake and Tyson dodged a fair few great punches. They were both throwing good ones right to the end though they were few and far between. If it was fixed, scripted or there was a no KO agreement I think it would have been obvious and the fight would have gone a much different way.

Did you not see that Jake had few chances to knock him out in the link you just shared? Or am I the only one noticing it? Grin I'm not a professional boxer, but Tyson repeatedly exposed his face for a knockout, and he was already looking exhausted in the final round. Financially, it was a good business, but it was a disaster on a sporting level.

Jake vs Ishowspeed: Why is the WBO allowing clown to clown fixtures?I get they need the money and publicity, but letting a YouTuber with no boxing experience enter a professional ring is insane. I wonder what boxing fans think about this match.
you're not the only one, one of the very clear chances Jake could have knocked down/out Tyson was in round 3 around 1:36, you can even see Mike Tyson losing balance his balance, so he will certainly get knocked down or knocked out if Jake Paul continued punching, but for some "unknown" reason jake stopped punching  Roll Eyes
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Most of those punches could have caused a KO and both Jake and Tyson dodged a fair few great punches. They were both throwing good ones right to the end though they were few and far between. If it was fixed, scripted or there was a no KO agreement I think it would have been obvious and the fight would have gone a much different way.

Did you not see that Jake had few chances to knock him out in the link you just shared? Or am I the only one noticing it? Grin I'm not a professional boxer, but Tyson repeatedly exposed his face for a knockout, and he was already looking exhausted in the final round. Financially, it was a good business, but it was a disaster on a sporting level.

Jake vs Ishowspeed: Why is the WBO allowing clown to clown fixtures?I get they need the money and publicity, but letting a YouTuber with no boxing experience enter a professional ring is insane. I wonder what boxing fans think about this match.
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Holysh$t she put all her eggs on Mike. lol losing that amount of money is devastating in this crisis time.

Did you guys watched the news about Netflix being sued for the scripted fight of Mike and Jake?  A lot of people says its a rigged fight. I'm not really sure if they could prove it but there is really a chance that Mike could KO Jake that time. I think they really fooled people into making the fight as a pro fight instead of just an exhibition.

Anyone can file a suit for anything, doesn't mean it will be successful, though I haven't seen anything other than a lawsuit against Netlfix for the bad stream which seemed to effect a lot of people. Even my stream was going down. If someone did believe the fight was fixed then they could file a suit, though I doubt it would be successful unless there's some strong evidence of such. If it did go to court the contracts would have to be presented as evidence etc. That would actually be very interesting to just see what was in them and if there was contractual agreements to take it easy etc then they might have a case.

But then what do you define as scripted? If it's scripted then it would be WWE. Every punch and move is planned to a tee and follows the script they've planned and trained for to perform publicly. This really wasn't in any way scripted in my opinion. It was what it was: A 27 year old in his prime having a glorified sparring session with a near 60-year old 30 years out of his prime. Jake obviously took it easy and Mike struggled to go the full distance but I don't believe they had any contractual agreement to do x and y at specific times other than maybe an agreement - whether contractual or just verbal - to not go crazy on each other. They might not have even had that. Jake may have just tested him out for the first round or so to see how dangerous (or not) Mike is and then decided whether to go a little easy once he realised there's not much chance of him getting hurt. As long as he threw and landed the most punches then he knows he will win and that's probably the best result for him as opposed to knocking a 60-year-old out or even worse for him getting knocked out himself. As for what I'd call it - it was just a spectacle. A headline grabbing fight that earned them both a shitload and it probably ended in the best way for both of them. I think whatever would have happened in this fight whether Jake or Mike got knocked out certain people will stay say it was scripted or fake etc.

I'm not certain about the whole game but I'm sure there was "No KO" clause in their contract before the game and that's my definition of "scripted" although I may be wrong.

Well, the first round was real fight, Jake didn't know what to expect and was abit scared, then found out he could beat Tyson even with his eyes closed then, the whole rounds became exhibition to entertain us.

I think the whole "no KO" clause is also BS and just chatter on the internet and only really started with the Jake Paul fights, and in which Jake has KOed most of his opponents. There's certainly never been any evidence for it. How do you even plan for that? What happens if you do KO someone by accident? It's not really something you can plan for unless you were puling every single punch. Even a light punch can KO someone if you land it right. As Connor McGregor often stated "precision beats power, timing beats speed" and it's true. Sure, harder punches often lead to most KOs but not always. Jake was definitely throwing some dangerous punches at certain points but lightened up or stepped off the gas a little as the fight went on. Even Tyson threw some good ones. Just check out the highlights with some of the slow motion shots: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aja2KfuoqGA

Most of those punches could have caused a KO and both Jake and Tyson dodged a fair few great punches. They were both throwing good ones right to the end though they were few and far between. If it was fixed, scripted or there was a no KO agreement I think it would have been obvious and the fight would have gone a much different way.


Holysh$t she put all her eggs on Mike. lol losing that amount of money is devastating in this crisis time.

Did you guys watched the news about Netflix being sued for the scripted fight of Mike and Jake?  A lot of people says its a rigged fight. I'm not really sure if they could prove it but there is really a chance that Mike could KO Jake that time. I think they really fooled people into making the fight as a pro fight instead of just an exhibition.

I haven't seen it but boy, why would they sue Netflix if they know that this fight is going to be a exhibition match?

Although rules has been changed to picture this as a pro-fight, but still a 58 year old vs a young stud being promoted by a streaming device? Then for sure even casual fans can read between the line that this is just indeed a exhibition.

It wasn't billed as an exhibition but a proper fight and was sanctioned as such. Exhibition fights a winner is not declared. It's just an open sparring session essentially.
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Holysh$t she put all her eggs on Mike. lol losing that amount of money is devastating in this crisis time.

Did you guys watched the news about Netflix being sued for the scripted fight of Mike and Jake?  A lot of people says its a rigged fight. I'm not really sure if they could prove it but there is really a chance that Mike could KO Jake that time. I think they really fooled people into making the fight as a pro fight instead of just an exhibition.

I haven't seen it but boy, why would they sue Netflix if they know that this fight is going to be a exhibition match?

Although rules has been changed to picture this as a pro-fight, but still a 58 year old vs a young stud being promoted by a streaming device? Then for sure even casual fans can read between the line that this is just indeed a exhibition.

As far as scripted, maybe there was a clause that there are no going to be no knockdowns, but as far as who is going to win? I doubt that it was pre-written.
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But then what do you define as scripted? If it's scripted then it would be WWE. Every punch and move is planned to a tee and follows the script they've planned and trained for to perform publicly. This really wasn't in any way scripted in my opinion. It was what it was: A 27 year old in his prime having a glorified sparring session with a near 60-year old 30 years out of his prime. Jake obviously took it easy and Mike struggled to go the full distance but I don't believe they had any contractual agreement to do x and y at specific times other than maybe an agreement - whether contractual or just verbal - to not go crazy on each other. They might not have even had that. Jake may have just tested him out for the first round or so to see how dangerous (or not) Mike is and then decided whether to go a little easy once he realised there's not much chance of him getting hurt. As long as he threw and landed the most punches then he knows he will win and that's probably the best result for him as opposed to knocking a 60-year-old out or even worse for him getting knocked out himself. As for what I'd call it - it was just a spectacle. A headline grabbing fight that earned them both a shitload and it probably ended in the best way for both of them. I think whatever would have happened in this fight whether Jake or Mike got knocked out certain people will stay say it was scripted or fake etc.

I'm not certain about the whole game but I'm sure there was "No KO" clause in their contract before the game and that's my definition of "scripted" although I may be wrong.

Well, the first round was real fight, Jake didn't know what to expect and was abit scared, then found out he could beat Tyson even with his eyes closed then, the whole rounds became exhibition to entertain us.
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Holysh$t she put all her eggs on Mike. lol losing that amount of money is devastating in this crisis time.

Did you guys watched the news about Netflix being sued for the scripted fight of Mike and Jake?  A lot of people says its a rigged fight. I'm not really sure if they could prove it but there is really a chance that Mike could KO Jake that time. I think they really fooled people into making the fight as a pro fight instead of just an exhibition.
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So, yesterday I was swiping through a social platform that I have on my phone and I came across this guy speaking bitterly of how Tyson caused him lose $14, 000  Grin, I couldn't help but laugh at how he over exaggerated on the loss, owning to the fact that he as a fan of Mike, believed that the man was going to win but end up causing him $14k.

Lol, but he just have to think of Drake who bet $335,000 and lost as well. The only difference is that it could be just a drop for Drake but this kid might be saving this money for a long time.

And probably this is the reason why we can this fight as a scam. It's because Tyson really put up a good training video and then there are people who thinks that the has a chance to win. But we all know that he is already old and slow, but this kid didn't take that into consideration and maybe counting that he will get a good windfall since Mike Tyson is the underdog.

I don't think his financial level is up to that of Drake, but if he actually spend all his savings on that bet, then he is not financially smart. Being the fan of Tyson  will not stop him from losing a fight if he was really meant to lose the fight.
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But that's not scripted is it. That's just taking it easy. There's no stipulation that fighters have to go full hog and fight to the death. Many champions even take easy fights where they go easy on each other. Tyson Fury has done it numerous times.

Also, did you even read the article. They're not banned, but suspended as is mandatory for health safety reasons. Many fighters get much longer than that, especially if it was a gruelling fight or one of them got KOed.

C'mon they ain't going to write it in a book and demonstrate how the punches should go and who should throw and who not to throw more than 10 punches. I understand you completely but I believe the word " scripted" explained the case better or is there any word more suitable?

Lol they could have easily used something else instead of "banned"

But then what do you define as scripted? If it's scripted then it would be WWE. Every punch and move is planned to a tee and follows the script they've planned and trained for to perform publicly. This really wasn't in any way scripted in my opinion. It was what it was: A 27 year old in his prime having a glorified sparring session with a near 60-year old 30 years out of his prime. Jake obviously took it easy and Mike struggled to go the full distance but I don't believe they had any contractual agreement to do x and y at specific times other than maybe an agreement - whether contractual or just verbal - to not go crazy on each other. They might not have even had that. Jake may have just tested him out for the first round or so to see how dangerous (or not) Mike is and then decided whether to go a little easy once he realised there's not much chance of him getting hurt. As long as he threw and landed the most punches then he knows he will win and that's probably the best result for him as opposed to knocking a 60-year-old out or even worse for him getting knocked out himself. As for what I'd call it - it was just a spectacle. A headline grabbing fight that earned them both a shitload and it probably ended in the best way for both of them. I think whatever would have happened in this fight whether Jake or Mike got knocked out certain people will stay say it was scripted or fake etc.
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So, yesterday I was swiping through a social platform that I have on my phone and I came across this guy speaking bitterly of how Tyson caused him lose $14, 000  Grin, I couldn't help but laugh at how he over exaggerated on the loss, owning to the fact that he as a fan of Mike, believed that the man was going to win but end up causing him $14k.

Lol, but he just have to think of Drake who bet $335,000 and lost as well. The only difference is that it could be just a drop for Drake but this kid might be saving this money for a long time.

And probably this is the reason why we can this fight as a scam. It's because Tyson really put up a good training video and then there are people who thinks that the has a chance to win. But we all know that he is already old and slow, but this kid didn't take that into consideration and maybe counting that he will get a good windfall since Mike Tyson is the underdog.
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So, yesterday I was swiping through a social platform that I have on my phone and I came across this guy speaking bitterly of how Tyson caused him lose $14, 000  Grin, I couldn't help but laugh at how he over exaggerated on the loss, owning to the fact that he as a fan of Mike, believed that the man was going to win but end up causing him $14k.
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But that's not scripted is it. That's just taking it easy. There's no stipulation that fighters have to go full hog and fight to the death. Many champions even take easy fights where they go easy on each other. Tyson Fury has done it numerous times.

Also, did you even read the article. They're not banned, but suspended as is mandatory for health safety reasons. Many fighters get much longer than that, especially if it was a gruelling fight or one of them got KOed.

C'mon they ain't going to write it in a book and demonstrate how the punches should go and who should throw and who not to throw more than 10 punches. I understand you completely but I believe the word " scripted" explained the case better or is there any word more suitable?

Lol they could have easily used something else instead of "banned"
Its all for the show and it was been called exhibition in the first place on providing up the public to have at least that good entertainment but it wasnt actually considered to be one specially if you are seeing that
punches are really that been hold of or something that been that too obvious on which it do really sucks on seeing on this one. One of the thing that i dont really like on exhibition fights
is that you dont know on what would be the show looks like. This is why i do really skip out on making up some bets in regarding into this one because it will most likely not getting in line
on whatever those stats in papers do really meant into but rather going into the opposite.
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But that's not scripted is it. That's just taking it easy. There's no stipulation that fighters have to go full hog and fight to the death. Many champions even take easy fights where they go easy on each other. Tyson Fury has done it numerous times.

Also, did you even read the article. They're not banned, but suspended as is mandatory for health safety reasons. Many fighters get much longer than that, especially if it was a gruelling fight or one of them got KOed.

C'mon they ain't going to write it in a book and demonstrate how the punches should go and who should throw and who not to throw more than 10 punches. I understand you completely but I believe the word " scripted" explained the case better or is there any word more suitable?

Lol they could have easily used something else instead of "banned"
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It is not toxic, it is what people want. If people wont cheer Jake long time ago to start boxing and call opponent for a fight, if people wont create all that hype around Jakes fights, show no interest in what he is doing, he would not have continued. Imo, Jake is an actor on first place. He does what people want to see. It is not 100% his fault that he is fighting retired, old, low skilled opponents, it is what his audience wants to see.
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