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It could be, Shakur's ratio might be 47% and got a much lower ratio than the Japanese but I cannot really include that as basis because the latter is more of a local boxer to me because all of his fight are being held inside Japan, hence why most of his title are labeled as Asia Pacific. I'm more inclined that there's a good reason why Shakur's camp chose Yoshino and that is to highlight his debut.

It could be the right ratio --perhaps that is true that Shuichiro Yoshino may have a higher win ratio than Shakur Stevenson, but sometimes we give to consider the level of competition each boxer has faced. But we should not be comfortable with that --Shakur Stevenson has already established himself as a world-class boxer, having won a silver medal at the 2016 Olympics and held the WBO featherweight title and I think it is also a great consideration for him.

Exactly, it's the level of opposition too, that we need to look at and not just the record per se. So maybe Yoshino has more fights and high knockout ratio, but it doesn't mean that he is the better of the two.

Still boils down on who this fighter has, on the other hand, just the last 3 fighters that Shakur face might not be enough for the whole resume of the Japanese to match, just saying. So that alone shows how both fighters are very different, and it is reflected on the odds itself.

In terms of quickness and ring IQ, those belong to Stevenson. So even though Yoshino is a KO artist, I don't think he will be able to hit Stevenson with solid shots. That's a lot to ask for him, and since he isn't a popular boxer, I don't expect he will make it. This fight will most likely result in an additional win for Stevenson and an easy one at that.

As for the betting odds, Shakur is 1.08 to win.

https://www.aceodds.com/bet-calculator/odds-converter.html

1.08 is such a nay!
But you only need to put in a really huge amount as it seems a safe bet unless Yoshino suddenly strikes a lucky lunch putting Shakur to sleep and there goes your money. Not very attractive odds but it's also obvious Yoshi is not popular internationally and with limited exposure. Why there were even matched to fight is surprising.

Yes, ML is not that attractive considering that Shakur Stevenson is listed as heavy favorite by the bookies and certainly, you need to put a lot of funds for that moneyline before you can even consider the profits of your wager but putting a lot of funds into unattractive odds have a lot of risks entailed and surely nobody wanted that risks even if you're a bigtime gambler. I reckon that the Shakur win via KO/TKO might be much more profitable to bet since Shakur's ratio is just below 50 percent, let's just wait for another options in the weeks to come.

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It could be, Shakur's ratio might be 47% and got a much lower ratio than the Japanese but I cannot really include that as basis because the latter is more of a local boxer to me because all of his fight are being held inside Japan, hence why most of his title are labeled as Asia Pacific. I'm more inclined that there's a good reason why Shakur's camp chose Yoshino and that is to highlight his debut.

It could be the right ratio --perhaps that is true that Shuichiro Yoshino may have a higher win ratio than Shakur Stevenson, but sometimes we give to consider the level of competition each boxer has faced. But we should not be comfortable with that --Shakur Stevenson has already established himself as a world-class boxer, having won a silver medal at the 2016 Olympics and held the WBO featherweight title and I think it is also a great consideration for him.

Exactly, it's the level of opposition too, that we need to look at and not just the record per se. So maybe Yoshino has more fights and high knockout ratio, but it doesn't mean that he is the better of the two.

Still boils down on who this fighter has, on the other hand, just the last 3 fighters that Shakur face might not be enough for the whole resume of the Japanese to match, just saying. So that alone shows how both fighters are very different, and it is reflected on the odds itself.

In terms of quickness and ring IQ, those belong to Stevenson. So even though Yoshino is a KO artist, I don't think he will be able to hit Stevenson with solid shots. That's a lot to ask for him, and since he isn't a popular boxer, I don't expect he will make it. This fight will most likely result in an additional win for Stevenson and an easy one at that.

As for the betting odds, Shakur is 1.08 to win.

https://www.aceodds.com/bet-calculator/odds-converter.html

1.08 is such a nay!
But you only need to put in a really huge amount as it seems a safe bet unless Yoshino suddenly strikes a lucky lunch putting Shakur to sleep and there goes your money. Not very attractive odds but it's also obvious Yoshi is not popular internationally and with limited exposure. Why there were even matched to fight is surprising.

Yes, that is a big nah for us boxing bettors, it's not worth a risk to bet with that kind of odds, I have showed a few pages back what other betting options. But a ML like for Shakur has no value, we might as better just wait for other boxing events to where we gonna put our money with.

And speaking of Shakur here is a video wherein him and Haney run into each other on Top Rank's boxing gym.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQcZd3pTZlc

It's a bit funny, but who knows, maybe in the future, this two are going to fight in out for the belt as Shakur is going up to 135 lbs.

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It could be, Shakur's ratio might be 47% and got a much lower ratio than the Japanese but I cannot really include that as basis because the latter is more of a local boxer to me because all of his fight are being held inside Japan, hence why most of his title are labeled as Asia Pacific. I'm more inclined that there's a good reason why Shakur's camp chose Yoshino and that is to highlight his debut.

It could be the right ratio --perhaps that is true that Shuichiro Yoshino may have a higher win ratio than Shakur Stevenson, but sometimes we give to consider the level of competition each boxer has faced. But we should not be comfortable with that --Shakur Stevenson has already established himself as a world-class boxer, having won a silver medal at the 2016 Olympics and held the WBO featherweight title and I think it is also a great consideration for him.

Exactly, it's the level of opposition too, that we need to look at and not just the record per se. So maybe Yoshino has more fights and high knockout ratio, but it doesn't mean that he is the better of the two.

Still boils down on who this fighter has, on the other hand, just the last 3 fighters that Shakur face might not be enough for the whole resume of the Japanese to match, just saying. So that alone shows how both fighters are very different, and it is reflected on the odds itself.

In terms of quickness and ring IQ, those belong to Stevenson. So even though Yoshino is a KO artist, I don't think he will be able to hit Stevenson with solid shots. That's a lot to ask for him, and since he isn't a popular boxer, I don't expect he will make it. This fight will most likely result in an additional win for Stevenson and an easy one at that.

As for the betting odds, Shakur is 1.08 to win.

https://www.aceodds.com/bet-calculator/odds-converter.html

1.08 is such a nay!
But you only need to put in a really huge amount as it seems a safe bet unless Yoshino suddenly strikes a lucky lunch putting Shakur to sleep and there goes your money. Not very attractive odds but it's also obvious Yoshi is not popular internationally and with limited exposure. Why there were even matched to fight is surprising.

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It could be, Shakur's ratio might be 47% and got a much lower ratio than the Japanese but I cannot really include that as basis because the latter is more of a local boxer to me because all of his fight are being held inside Japan, hence why most of his title are labeled as Asia Pacific. I'm more inclined that there's a good reason why Shakur's camp chose Yoshino and that is to highlight his debut.

It could be the right ratio --perhaps that is true that Shuichiro Yoshino may have a higher win ratio than Shakur Stevenson, but sometimes we give to consider the level of competition each boxer has faced. But we should not be comfortable with that --Shakur Stevenson has already established himself as a world-class boxer, having won a silver medal at the 2016 Olympics and held the WBO featherweight title and I think it is also a great consideration for him.

Exactly, it's the level of opposition too, that we need to look at and not just the record per se. So maybe Yoshino has more fights and high knockout ratio, but it doesn't mean that he is the better of the two.

Still boils down on who this fighter has, on the other hand, just the last 3 fighters that Shakur face might not be enough for the whole resume of the Japanese to match, just saying. So that alone shows how both fighters are very different, and it is reflected on the odds itself.

In terms of quickness and ring IQ, those belong to Stevenson. So even though Yoshino is a KO artist, I don't think he will be able to hit Stevenson with solid shots. That's a lot to ask for him, and since he isn't a popular boxer, I don't expect he will make it. This fight will most likely result in an additional win for Stevenson and an easy one at that.

As for the betting odds, Shakur is 1.08 to win.

https://www.aceodds.com/bet-calculator/odds-converter.html

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It could be, Shakur's ratio might be 47% and got a much lower ratio than the Japanese but I cannot really include that as basis because the latter is more of a local boxer to me because all of his fight are being held inside Japan, hence why most of his title are labeled as Asia Pacific. I'm more inclined that there's a good reason why Shakur's camp chose Yoshino and that is to highlight his debut.

It could be the right ratio --perhaps that is true that Shuichiro Yoshino may have a higher win ratio than Shakur Stevenson, but sometimes we give to consider the level of competition each boxer has faced. But we should not be comfortable with that --Shakur Stevenson has already established himself as a world-class boxer, having won a silver medal at the 2016 Olympics and held the WBO featherweight title and I think it is also a great consideration for him.

Exactly, it's the level of opposition too, that we need to look at and not just the record per se. So maybe Yoshino has more fights and high knockout ratio, but it doesn't mean that he is the better of the two.

Still boils down on who this fighter has, on the other hand, just the last 3 fighters that Shakur face might not be enough for the whole resume of the Japanese to match, just saying. So that alone shows how both fighters are very different, and it is reflected on the odds itself.

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Their record is well paired. Both have an undefeated record and have power punches that can knock out their opponent. Though I have a feeling that this will be an easy fight for Shakur Stevenson since looking at the quality of the opponent, Stevenson has faced a better opponent and beat them. This will be a test for the Japanese fighter if he can be as hot as Naoya Inoue in terms of dominating the ring.

Quote from: mirakal on February 25, 2023, 04:13:27 PM

Both boxers wanted the rewards that is earned after this fight but only one of them will continue successfully as a draw in this bout is very unlikely to happen and besides, we both know here who got the right talent to continue on his journey and who doesn't have what it takes to take the said reward. Shakur is on a campaign to get either Haney or Loma, so I don't really think that he'll just give this Japanese guy an easy way in.

I think this fight will have one fighter kissing the canvas since both have devastating power punches.

In terms of record, yes, it is well paired but on power level? I guess no, we probably know why as even the bookies gave 7:1 underdog odds to Yoshino despite having a good record but that record was just established inside Japan, so more like a localize fights rather than being held in an international ring like this bout.

Still though, we shouldn't be careless because there are some cases that the heavy underdogs will rise from the mud and defeat the favorite. But in this case, I definitely think that the chances are really slim and it's just unfortunate for Yoshino because he's being paired with Shakur.

Well, in my personal opinion, I see Shakur much better, of course, the statistics and all the probabilities can point to a fixed number and that the entire result will probably be like this, Shuichiro is a rather peculiar boxer and what he can give is the surprise factor and that is what should be studied, nothing is lost if Shuichiro tries, but Shakur has a better position than him, better technique and in terms of strategy he could generate more, I say this in terms of training and experience, and although I do not like to underestimate anyone Shakur has shown it in his fights.

Shuichiro can surprise, what is not known is how much he has been training and the way he has done it, for me if he concentrates in the fight he can give the blow.

Stevenson and Yoshino will clash in a WBC eliminatory

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Undefeated former two-division champion Shakur Stevenson will take on hard-hitting Japanese Shuichiro Yoshino in a 12-round WBC lightweight world title elimination bout on Saturday, April 8 at the Prudential Center in Newark, New Jersey.

Stevenson (19-0, 9 KOs), former featherweight and super featherweight champion, returns home after his win against Robson Conceição last September
WBC top ranked Yoshino (16-0, 12 KOs) is a former champion from Japan who had a 104-20 record as an amateur. After seven defenses of his Japanese national lightweight belt, Yoshino is currently ranked No. 5 in the world after an impressive 2022.

Source: https://wbcboxing.com/en/stevenson-and-yoshino-will-clash-in-a-wbc-eliminatory/

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Quote from: mirakal on March 08, 2023, 05:14:30 PM

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It could be, Shakur's ratio might be 47% and got a much lower ratio than the Japanese but I cannot really include that as basis because the latter is more of a local boxer to me because all of his fight are being held inside Japan, hence why most of his title are labeled as Asia Pacific. I'm more inclined that there's a good reason why Shakur's camp chose Yoshino and that is to highlight his debut.

It could be the right ratio --perhaps that is true that Shuichiro Yoshino may have a higher win ratio than Shakur Stevenson, but sometimes we give to consider the level of competition each boxer has faced. But we should not be comfortable with that --Shakur Stevenson has already established himself as a world-class boxer, having won a silver medal at the 2016 Olympics and held the WBO featherweight title and I think it is also a great consideration for him.

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Yoshino might have beaten Nakatani by TKO but he will be facing probably the quickest hand speed and footwork in boxing right now.

If Haney will win over Loma and won't move up in weight, imagine how big the fight will be between him and Shakur. Tank and Kingry can only watch and envy because they don't dare to be great. Cheesy

Then there's also a chance Shakur can win via TKO against Yoshino because he can make Yoshino can't fight with him due to different level of technicalities. Shakur is smart, but he just lack of power.

But this could be his chance to win a knockout? And maybe why they chosen Yoshino to be their opponent and let him travel to the US. Perhaps they want Shakur to go and score a statement win via knockout in his hometown.

It could be, Shakur's ratio might be 47% and got a much lower ratio than the Japanese but I cannot really include that as basis because the latter is more of a local boxer to me because all of his fight are being held inside Japan, hence why most of his title are labeled as Asia Pacific. I'm more inclined that there's a good reason why Shakur's camp chose Yoshino and that is to highlight his debut.

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I think both of Tank and Garcia know if they're not good enough to beat Loma or Haney, but at least they fight with each other to fulfill the hope from boxing fans and after that they will high likely move to the next weight.

Both will have to move up to 140, Tank and Garcia, but it seems that it might be Tank who's more willing to fight Shakur though as Stevenson has been calling his name for a while now.

As of now, the upcoming undisputed champion is not yet due to any mandatory fights, whether if it's Loma or Haney. And in the recent talks before the Loma-Haney fight was established, Haney wanted Shakur because in his own words, he wanted a much interesting fight.

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^^ I would agree, decent to good opponent for Shakur but I doubt that he can upset Stevenson at this point. So I will have to put Shakur here winning maybe by a knockout or complete domination of the fight.

No offense to the Japanese fighter, he had the belt in Asia, beat Nakatani who gave Teo Lopez all he can handle and also fought Loma in his comeback fight. But that is not enough resume to beat the likes of Shakur right now.

Shuichiro Yoshino is an impressive boxer and I do not doubt that he will give Shakur Stevenson a good fight and maybe even make Shakur sweat nervously a bit. But there is no denying that Shakur is going to be the winner of this upcoming match. Absolutely no doubt in my mind. That is just how good Shakur is. Yoshino is a promising boxer but he does not have the necessary skills and experience to fight against the big dogs.

Yoshino might have beaten Nakatani by TKO but he will be facing probably the quickest hand speed and footwork in boxing right now. And Shakur is always overloaded with confidence and he will be more confident than ever since he is back in front of his hometown. Shakur is not heavy-handed but there is really a chance of him stopping Yoshino if the Japanese cannot earn his respect in the early rounds. Maybe Shakur's chin is untested, especially in this division so this is the chance for Yoshino to test it.

If Haney will win over Loma and won't move up in weight, imagine how big the fight will be between him and Shakur. Tank and Kingry can only watch and envy because they don't dare to be great. Cheesy

I too think that Yoshino will definitely try to go for Shakur's chin early in on the match and we might be in for a surprise, depending on how good Shakur can dodge or even take hits. Do we find out at long last that Shakur has a glass jaw? I hope not. But it will be an interesting thing to find out, nonetheless. Especially when it comes to placing future bets on him, we will know all his strong and weak points.

As to the TKO, I doubt that its smart to bet on Yoshino pulling off a TKO. It did not seem like it was Yoshinos strategy when he fought against Nakatani. Rather an improvised, quick decision.

Good question, but I think in his last 3 fights against world class boxers, his chin was definitely tested specially by Robson and Oscar Valdez, but he did survived and win that fight.

So for me, it's the other way around, Shakur will go after Yoshino's chin early because he wants to impressed his local fans and doesn't want to be a boring fight in front of his home town.

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^^ I would agree, decent to good opponent for Shakur but I doubt that he can upset Stevenson at this point. So I will have to put Shakur here winning maybe by a knockout or complete domination of the fight.

No offense to the Japanese fighter, he had the belt in Asia, beat Nakatani who gave Teo Lopez all he can handle and also fought Loma in his comeback fight. But that is not enough resume to beat the likes of Shakur right now.

Shuichiro Yoshino is an impressive boxer and I do not doubt that he will give Shakur Stevenson a good fight and maybe even make Shakur sweat nervously a bit. But there is no denying that Shakur is going to be the winner of this upcoming match. Absolutely no doubt in my mind. That is just how good Shakur is. Yoshino is a promising boxer but he does not have the necessary skills and experience to fight against the big dogs.

Yoshino might have beaten Nakatani by TKO but he will be facing probably the quickest hand speed and footwork in boxing right now. And Shakur is always overloaded with confidence and he will be more confident than ever since he is back in front of his hometown. Shakur is not heavy-handed but there is really a chance of him stopping Yoshino if the Japanese cannot earn his respect in the early rounds. Maybe Shakur's chin is untested, especially in this division so this is the chance for Yoshino to test it.

If Haney will win over Loma and won't move up in weight, imagine how big the fight will be between him and Shakur. Tank and Kingry can only watch and envy because they don't dare to be great. Cheesy

I too think that Yoshino will definitely try to go for Shakur's chin early in on the match and we might be in for a surprise, depending on how good Shakur can dodge or even take hits. Do we find out at long last that Shakur has a glass jaw? I hope not. But it will be an interesting thing to find out, nonetheless. Especially when it comes to placing future bets on him, we will know all his strong and weak points.

As to the TKO, I doubt that its smart to bet on Yoshino pulling off a TKO. It did not seem like it was Yoshinos strategy when he fought against Nakatani. Rather an improvised, quick decision.

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Yoshino might have beaten Nakatani by TKO but he will be facing probably the quickest hand speed and footwork in boxing right now.

If Haney will win over Loma and won't move up in weight, imagine how big the fight will be between him and Shakur. Tank and Kingry can only watch and envy because they don't dare to be great. Cheesy

Then there's also a chance Shakur can win via TKO against Yoshino because he can make Yoshino can't fight with him due to different level of technicalities. Shakur is smart, but he just lack of power.

But this could be his chance to win a knockout? And maybe why they chosen Yoshino to be their opponent and let him travel to the US. Perhaps they want Shakur to go and score a statement win via knockout in his hometown.

Quote from: Jawhead999 on March 08, 2023, 08:23:15 AM

I think both of Tank and Garcia know if they're not good enough to beat Loma or Haney, but at least they fight with each other to fulfill the hope from boxing fans and after that they will high likely move to the next weight.

Both will have to move up to 140, Tank and Garcia, but it seems that it might be Tank who's more willing to fight Shakur though as Stevenson has been calling his name for a while now.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on March 08, 2023, 06:04:05 AM

Yoshino might have beaten Nakatani by TKO but he will be facing probably the quickest hand speed and footwork in boxing right now.

If Haney will win over Loma and won't move up in weight, imagine how big the fight will be between him and Shakur. Tank and Kingry can only watch and envy because they don't dare to be great. Cheesy

Then there's also a chance Shakur can win via TKO against Yoshino because he can make Yoshino can't fight with him due to different level of technicalities. Shakur is smart, but he just lack of power.

I think both of Tank and Garcia know if they're not good enough to beat Loma or Haney, but at least they fight with each other to fulfill the hope from boxing fans and after that they will high likely move to the next weight.

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^^ I would agree, decent to good opponent for Shakur but I doubt that he can upset Stevenson at this point. So I will have to put Shakur here winning maybe by a knockout or complete domination of the fight.

No offense to the Japanese fighter, he had the belt in Asia, beat Nakatani who gave Teo Lopez all he can handle and also fought Loma in his comeback fight. But that is not enough resume to beat the likes of Shakur right now.

Shuichiro Yoshino is an impressive boxer and I do not doubt that he will give Shakur Stevenson a good fight and maybe even make Shakur sweat nervously a bit. But there is no denying that Shakur is going to be the winner of this upcoming match. Absolutely no doubt in my mind. That is just how good Shakur is. Yoshino is a promising boxer but he does not have the necessary skills and experience to fight against the big dogs.

Yoshino might have beaten Nakatani by TKO but he will be facing probably the quickest hand speed and footwork in boxing right now. And Shakur is always overloaded with confidence and he will be more confident than ever since he is back in front of his hometown. Shakur is not heavy-handed but there is really a chance of him stopping Yoshino if the Japanese cannot earn his respect in the early rounds. Maybe Shakur's chin is untested, especially in this division so this is the chance for Yoshino to test it.

If Haney will win over Loma and won't move up in weight, imagine how big the fight will be between him and Shakur. Tank and Kingry can only watch and envy because they don't dare to be great. Cheesy

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I check 2 sports bookies and so far the only is odds listed is the ML, so no value if we are going to bet on Shakur. But if we wanted to go for the Japanese underdog at 7.x, now is the time to bet (but as I have said, the chances are slim to win either by decision or ko/tko).

So let's wait for more line to be offered, maybe we can see some value if there will be more options for Shakur like winning by decision or even winning by knockout or which round. Maybe the referee will have to stop it when he sees the Japanese taking more damage from Shakur jab and pin point accuracy in this match.

Betting on the Japanese underdog is like throwing money. Looking at their record, it is clear that the Japanese has been fighting local boxers so the quality of his opponent is probably not that great. The Japanese boxer is bound to lose here, and probably via early KO or stoppage.

Unless there's upset or a lucky punch that will convert to shake Shakur which really surprise everyone, but yeah, getting your point
with the types of those previous fight that Yoshino before.

That's far from the quality of Shakur and I also anticipate that the chance of KO can take place in between, Shakur is far superior for Yoshino

We will see that when they already inside the ring and showcasing their individual skills.

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Quote from: Jating on February 04, 2023, 10:09:49 PM

^^ I would agree, decent to good opponent for Shakur but I doubt that he can upset Stevenson at this point. So I will have to put Shakur here winning maybe by a knockout or complete domination of the fight.

No offense to the Japanese fighter, he had the belt in Asia, beat Nakatani who gave Teo Lopez all he can handle and also fought Loma in his comeback fight. But that is not enough resume to beat the likes of Shakur right now.

Same feedback here. This Japanese boxer may have achieved past winning performances but I don’t see him a perfect match for Shakur. Though both are professionals on their own career, but seeing this Japanese boxer past performances, I would say he won’t easily beat Shakur because Shakur is definitely a tough and hard to beat opponent. Still, this will test them both who will dominate the fight and maybe still make a good fight in the end.

Speaking of Nakatani, this is the video of their fight,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4-V1g25bKY

And you'll be the judge if Yoshino has the tools to beat a great fighter in Stevenson. I think if Shakur wanted to score a knockout, he can do that in this fight, just saying. And looking at the odds, it's very much as juicy as we can take, it's 3.x, hehehe. And I don't think that odds will change, we can make that beat even at the fight date is closer.

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Quote from: Jating on February 04, 2023, 10:09:49 PM

^^ I would agree, decent to good opponent for Shakur but I doubt that he can upset Stevenson at this point. So I will have to put Shakur here winning maybe by a knockout or complete domination of the fight.

No offense to the Japanese fighter, he had the belt in Asia, beat Nakatani who gave Teo Lopez all he can handle and also fought Loma in his comeback fight. But that is not enough resume to beat the likes of Shakur right now.

Same feedback here. This Japanese boxer may have achieved past winning performances but I don’t see him a perfect match for Shakur. Though both are professionals on their own career, but seeing this Japanese boxer past performances, I would say he won’t easily beat Shakur because Shakur is definitely a tough and hard to beat opponent. Still, this will test them both who will dominate the fight and maybe still make a good fight in the end.

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Quote from: serjent05 on March 05, 2023, 05:29:26 PM

Betting on the Japanese underdog is like throwing money. Looking at their record, it is clear that the Japanese has been fighting local boxers so the quality of his opponent is probably not that great. The Japanese boxer is bound to lose here, and probably via early KO or stoppage.
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I've seen few of Yoshino's fights. He is tough as a nail and i really doubt for KO. Most likely 12 rounds, or at least that's what i am betting. I would also so much like to see him winning but that's a bit far fetched as he seems weaker than Shakur, but i might bet that just for high multiplier. I like more or less irrational betting when there's enough incentive.

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Quote from: Baofeng on February 27, 2023, 06:17:10 PM

I check 2 sports bookies and so far the only is odds listed is the ML, so no value if we are going to bet on Shakur. But if we wanted to go for the Japanese underdog at 7.x, now is the time to bet (but as I have said, the chances are slim to win either by decision or ko/tko).

So let's wait for more line to be offered, maybe we can see some value if there will be more options for Shakur like winning by decision or even winning by knockout or which round. Maybe the referee will have to stop it when he sees the Japanese taking more damage from Shakur jab and pin point accuracy in this match.

Betting on the Japanese underdog is like throwing money. Looking at their record, it is clear that the Japanese has been fighting local boxers so the quality of his opponent is probably not that great. The Japanese boxer is bound to lose here, and probably via early KO or stoppage.

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Nah, smart money should be on Shakur Stevenson and not on Yoshino. For me even with that huge odds for him, I wouldn't take that bite, just saying. Shakur will be too good for Yoshino in this fight. This is the Japanese first fight out of his native home country, and so there will be adjustment because this is a big stage and he might not take the limelight. As for what will be the good bet for Shakur, we will have to wait and see then. No value for ML, but if there are more options, then obviously we are going to bet on that with a higher odds.

I agree with you. No one will bet on this underdog since he is not even popular. Betting on Shakur does not necessarily mean you'll take the moneyline. There are other betting options, such as betting on the specific round Yoshino will be knocked out, or the range of rounds, which typically groups every three rounds. If you want higher odds, then bet on Shakur to win via KO. Based on his previous fights, he is not really a KO artist.

Even if we say Yoshino is popular, it's still not advisable to bet on him because the odds itself suggests that his chances are not that good against Shakur Stevenson if this is the latter's first fight in the weight class. Talking about the present odds, it's already expected that the ML is really not juicy because a 7:1? That's much more worse than the Butler-Inoue fight.
Hopefully, the bookies will release more betting options much sooner as we're already a month away from the fight date.

Yes, that thing with Yoshino is that he is not stateside, so bookies and fans are not familiar with him. Although we might see in his records that he is good, but still he is facing an American fighter who is in his prime and rising in ranks.

Bookies already released more options already mate, you can check it out already:

See? A 25.00 odds for Yoshino to win by a way of decision. Imagine if Shakur will get upset in this fight, that's an instant big payday but in reality, that's not really likely. The power difference between him and Shakur is so wide that you can't even imagine the latter being defeated in this battle.

But for Shakur's odds, I might check that out again before this month ends as 3.80 seems decent enough for me. Shakur to win via KO is not that impossible, just a thought.

Yes, that odds might be juicy and tempting to see but it's not that realistic because the Japanese pride is not that well known to be a strong boxer or somehow a treat to Shakur's career especially in this time where it is the latter's first fight at 135 pounds. But for those bettors who likes betting on a heavy underdog, this is for them.

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But for Shakur's odds, I might check that out again before this month ends as 3.80 seems decent enough for me. Shakur to win via KO is not that impossible, just a thought.

Don't forget that these odds might change overtime and that 3.80 is decent enough because that is by a way of KO/TKO in favor of Shakur.

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Nah, smart money should be on Shakur Stevenson and not on Yoshino. For me even with that huge odds for him, I wouldn't take that bite, just saying. Shakur will be too good for Yoshino in this fight. This is the Japanese first fight out of his native home country, and so there will be adjustment because this is a big stage and he might not take the limelight. As for what will be the good bet for Shakur, we will have to wait and see then. No value for ML, but if there are more options, then obviously we are going to bet on that with a higher odds.

I agree with you. No one will bet on this underdog since he is not even popular. Betting on Shakur does not necessarily mean you'll take the moneyline. There are other betting options, such as betting on the specific round Yoshino will be knocked out, or the range of rounds, which typically groups every three rounds. If you want higher odds, then bet on Shakur to win via KO. Based on his previous fights, he is not really a KO artist.

Even if we say Yoshino is popular, it's still not advisable to bet on him because the odds itself suggests that his chances are not that good against Shakur Stevenson if this is the latter's first fight in the weight class. Talking about the present odds, it's already expected that the ML is really not juicy because a 7:1? That's much more worse than the Butler-Inoue fight.
Hopefully, the bookies will release more betting options much sooner as we're already a month away from the fight date.

Yes, that thing with Yoshino is that he is not stateside, so bookies and fans are not familiar with him. Although we might see in his records that he is good, but still he is facing an American fighter who is in his prime and rising in ranks.

Bookies already released more options already mate, you can check it out already:

See? A 25.00 odds for Yoshino to win by a way of decision. Imagine if Shakur will get upset in this fight, that's an instant big payday but in reality, that's not really likely. The power difference between him and Shakur is so wide that you can't even imagine the latter being defeated in this battle.

But for Shakur's odds, I might check that out again before this month ends as 3.80 seems decent enough for me. Shakur to win via KO is not that impossible, just a thought.

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