[Boxing] Stephen Fulton vs. Naoya Inoue | WBC & WBO 122 lbs bout | July 25 - page 30.

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Quote from: harizen on April 07, 2023, 07:48:46 PM

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We can only expect a rematch if it's written in the contract. And since it was not announced that there was something like that, we should not expect a rematch. However, it still depends on the outcome of this fight. If the outcome is controversial and this fight sells to the crowd, promoters would love to make a rematch as they'll make more money from it. The fighters just have to follow the orders from their promoters.

Personally for me, regardless if there's a rematch clause or not, I'm not really thinking anything about rematch. But if I will share my own opinion about that, I don't see Fulton will consider a rematch if he lose but instead, will focus on moving up weight.

Good point, we've heard that he wanted to go up in weight already, but maybe he was advise by his camp to still campaign here even at the last time to face Inoue. As he is a good name in his resume and he will be really tested on this one. So I will say that it's a good move for him and it's a win win. Even if he losses this fight and the belt, he will proved to the boxing fans that he is not afraid to face anyone in the ring even against the Monster in his own country. And boxers love this kind of challenges and this is a great opportunity for Stephen Fulton to cement his legacy this early in his career, rematch or no rematch.

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We cannot really blame them if that's what they wanted, after all, Inoue is a precious cash cow to Bob Arum and therefore he cannot really afford to see Inoue depreciate its value if in-case he is defeated. Anyway, there was once a supposed fight between the two of them but because of Covid-19, it wasn't pushed through. Now that they are both in the same division again, I hope their path will cross once again because people are already rooting for this to happen.

If only Casimero just did the right thing, then we should already see him clashing with Inoue. It's not being Inoue being a cash cow and they didn't avoid Casimero. It's just that Casimero is the reason why he become out of the discussion. I don't think Inoue is afraid of Casimero and even though I'm with Quadro Alas here, I didn't expect that he will have an easy win against Inoue.

More importantly, Casimero should not just pick top boxers but just negotiate a deal even with those below rankings just to have an active fight. As long as he keeps and continues winning, he will gain his rank and later on, will be included in the contender's discussion.

With all the things happening right now, i don't think Inoue is afraid of our "kababayan", in fact when they were still in the bantamweight, the Japanese Monster was calling out Casimero and the latter should have fought Inoue if not for their foolishness.

It's just that Casimero had a high chance of winning against Inoue due to his speed and power if we compare to the other opponents of Inoue. That Butler unification fight was a gimme because he was not as talented as Casimero and if we look deeper, Inoue have not fought boxers who is equally dangerous to Casimero lately so if Casimero vs Inoue will puh through then this would be exciting.

I understand your point and I know what you want to get to, but you also have to see something, although Inoue is a boxer of a very high level, it has to be put into context that he is getting there and his first meeting must be with a boxer who shows him what heavy that the blows can be, and you already have an idea of what awaits you, obviously a fight between Casimero and Inoue is ideal, for me it is a great option that can happen, and yes, in fact that fight will happen, that There is not the slightest doubt about that, only that as I said before, Inoue's fame should not be killed without having started, well that is what I think they take into consideration.

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Quote from: Ziskinberg on April 06, 2023, 09:59:12 PM

We can only expect a rematch if it's written in the contract. And since it was not announced that there was something like that, we should not expect a rematch. However, it still depends on the outcome of this fight. If the outcome is controversial and this fight sells to the crowd, promoters would love to make a rematch as they'll make more money from it. The fighters just have to follow the orders from their promoters.

Personally for me, regardless if there's a rematch clause or not, I'm not really thinking anything about rematch. But if I will share my own opinion about that, I don't see Fulton will consider a rematch if he lose but instead, will focus on moving up weight.

But too early to discuss that scenario. What we need to wait in the following more weeks or months is, a report stating that Naoya Inoue is now 100% healthy, fit and capable for the fight. We don't want to see either of them are having a handicap in the match. It will spoil the fun and will leave lots of questions and series of "what if's".

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For sure if this first match would be ending up that interesting the anytime there would really be a rematch that would be arranged on which im also anticipating for this one which it wont really be that shocking..

I'm not sure with the rematch. Stephen Fulton is ready to moved up to Featherweight division and it's just that Inoue climbed at 122, leaving him with no choice but to face Inoue first. I do think that there will be no rematch here and regardless of the result, Stephen Fulton will moved up no matter what.

But let's see first what will happened as there's even no mentioned yet, even in some news, that there's a rematch clause on the contract.

It is possible a rematch may not happen and this could be the only instance in which we will see Fulton and Inoue fighting each other, because as you mention Fulton was already to move up a division, however the opportunity to fight Inoue presented itself and Fulton could not let this opportunity to pass him up, after all he wants to gain more recognition, and what better way to gain it than to beat the boxer many consider to be the best pound for pound on his own country?

We can only expect a rematch if it's written in the contract. And since it was not announced that there was something like that, we should not expect a rematch. However, it still depends on the outcome of this fight. If the outcome is controversial and this fight sells to the crowd, promoters would love to make a rematch as they'll make more money from it. The fighters just have to follow the orders from their promoters.

Yeah, let's not get ahead of ourselves, Fulton is also supposedly rematch Figueroa because the result of their first fight was a bit controversial. But he chooses not to and just go directly with Fulton here. While Figueroa make that good decision to go for Magsayo for the vacate belt and won.

But here, we can't discount the fact that there could be rematch or non at all, depends on the outcome of the fight as you have said.

And most likely if there is rematch, it could be in the States and it will be Inoue who will have to travel to Fulton's backyard.

Possible if ever they have a rematch claw when they've signed the deal/contract, I'm sure fans will love to see if they
will get the entertainment that they've paid for.

Both fighters are champs and they are likely to have a selection of fans though in my opinion, fans wise Inoue is more likely got a wider one
compared to Fulton.

correct me if I'm wrong, though it's just my opinion in terms of numbers of fans.

You might be right that Naoya Inoue got more fans around the world compared to Steph Fulton, although there's actually no statistics to confirm our theory but I guess it's safe to assume that one. Anyway, knowing that Al Haymon is with Steph Fulton, there might be rematch clause that they chose not to mention as of now, just like with the Canelo vs Bivol, we never knew there were any until Canelo was defeated.

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For sure if this first match would be ending up that interesting the anytime there would really be a rematch that would be arranged on which im also anticipating for this one which it wont really be that shocking..

I'm not sure with the rematch. Stephen Fulton is ready to moved up to Featherweight division and it's just that Inoue climbed at 122, leaving him with no choice but to face Inoue first. I do think that there will be no rematch here and regardless of the result, Stephen Fulton will moved up no matter what.

But let's see first what will happened as there's even no mentioned yet, even in some news, that there's a rematch clause on the contract.

It is possible a rematch may not happen and this could be the only instance in which we will see Fulton and Inoue fighting each other, because as you mention Fulton was already to move up a division, however the opportunity to fight Inoue presented itself and Fulton could not let this opportunity to pass him up, after all he wants to gain more recognition, and what better way to gain it than to beat the boxer many consider to be the best pound for pound on his own country?

We can only expect a rematch if it's written in the contract. And since it was not announced that there was something like that, we should not expect a rematch. However, it still depends on the outcome of this fight. If the outcome is controversial and this fight sells to the crowd, promoters would love to make a rematch as they'll make more money from it. The fighters just have to follow the orders from their promoters.

Yeah, let's not get ahead of ourselves, Fulton is also supposedly rematch Figueroa because the result of their first fight was a bit controversial. But he chooses not to and just go directly with Fulton here. While Figueroa make that good decision to go for Magsayo for the vacate belt and won.

But here, we can't discount the fact that there could be rematch or non at all, depends on the outcome of the fight as you have said.

And most likely if there is rematch, it could be in the States and it will be Inoue who will have to travel to Fulton's backyard.

Possible if ever they have a rematch claw when they've signed the deal/contract, I'm sure fans will love to see if they
will get the entertainment that they've paid for.

Both fighters are champs and they are likely to have a selection of fans though in my opinion, fans wise Inoue is more likely got a wider one
compared to Fulton.

correct me if I'm wrong, though it's just my opinion in terms of numbers of fans.

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For sure if this first match would be ending up that interesting the anytime there would really be a rematch that would be arranged on which im also anticipating for this one which it wont really be that shocking..

I'm not sure with the rematch. Stephen Fulton is ready to moved up to Featherweight division and it's just that Inoue climbed at 122, leaving him with no choice but to face Inoue first. I do think that there will be no rematch here and regardless of the result, Stephen Fulton will moved up no matter what.

But let's see first what will happened as there's even no mentioned yet, even in some news, that there's a rematch clause on the contract.

It is possible a rematch may not happen and this could be the only instance in which we will see Fulton and Inoue fighting each other, because as you mention Fulton was already to move up a division, however the opportunity to fight Inoue presented itself and Fulton could not let this opportunity to pass him up, after all he wants to gain more recognition, and what better way to gain it than to beat the boxer many consider to be the best pound for pound on his own country?

We can only expect a rematch if it's written in the contract. And since it was not announced that there was something like that, we should not expect a rematch. However, it still depends on the outcome of this fight. If the outcome is controversial and this fight sells to the crowd, promoters would love to make a rematch as they'll make more money from it. The fighters just have to follow the orders from their promoters.

Yeah, let's not get ahead of ourselves, Fulton is also supposedly rematch Figueroa because the result of their first fight was a bit controversial. But he chooses not to and just go directly with Fulton here. While Figueroa make that good decision to go for Magsayo for the vacate belt and won.

But here, we can't discount the fact that there could be rematch or non at all, depends on the outcome of the fight as you have said.

And most likely if there is rematch, it could be in the States and it will be Inoue who will have to travel to Fulton's backyard.

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For sure if this first match would be ending up that interesting the anytime there would really be a rematch that would be arranged on which im also anticipating for this one which it wont really be that shocking..

I'm not sure with the rematch. Stephen Fulton is ready to moved up to Featherweight division and it's just that Inoue climbed at 122, leaving him with no choice but to face Inoue first. I do think that there will be no rematch here and regardless of the result, Stephen Fulton will moved up no matter what.

But let's see first what will happened as there's even no mentioned yet, even in some news, that there's a rematch clause on the contract.

It is possible a rematch may not happen and this could be the only instance in which we will see Fulton and Inoue fighting each other, because as you mention Fulton was already to move up a division, however the opportunity to fight Inoue presented itself and Fulton could not let this opportunity to pass him up, after all he wants to gain more recognition, and what better way to gain it than to beat the boxer many consider to be the best pound for pound on his own country?

We can only expect a rematch if it's written in the contract. And since it was not announced that there was something like that, we should not expect a rematch. However, it still depends on the outcome of this fight. If the outcome is controversial and this fight sells to the crowd, promoters would love to make a rematch as they'll make more money from it. The fighters just have to follow the orders from their promoters.

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For sure if this first match would be ending up that interesting the anytime there would really be a rematch that would be arranged on which im also anticipating for this one which it wont really be that shocking..

I'm not sure with the rematch. Stephen Fulton is ready to moved up to Featherweight division and it's just that Inoue climbed at 122, leaving him with no choice but to face Inoue first. I do think that there will be no rematch here and regardless of the result, Stephen Fulton will moved up no matter what.

But let's see first what will happened as there's even no mentioned yet, even in some news, that there's a rematch clause on the contract.

It is possible a rematch may not happen and this could be the only instance in which we will see Fulton and Inoue fighting each other, because as you mention Fulton was already to move up a division, however the opportunity to fight Inoue presented itself and Fulton could not let this opportunity to pass him up, after all he wants to gain more recognition, and what better way to gain it than to beat the boxer many consider to be the best pound for pound on his own country?

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Tapales fight is this weekend, just check my favorite sport bookies, unfortunately, it's not yet listed.

However, I'm not going to be surprised if he will be the underdog this Sunday. But you can't never discount Filipinos in boxing. We already have the precedent in Manny Pacquiao.

Thank you for sharing this news with me. I've heard of this fighter before and I think he's a decent competitor. I would be interested in betting on him if he's listed as an underdog on the bookies. It's possible that the odds aren't available yet, but we can check a day before the fight when bookies typically list odds for less popular fights.

If the odds listed below are real, then you'll get a very attractive odds.

https://www.oddschecker.com/boxing/murodjon-akhmadaliev-v-marlon-tapales/winner

Tapales has odds of 18/5 or 3.6, which I'm sure many Filipino bettors will take into consideration and not miss the opportunity to bet on the underdog. It's always nice to show support for an underdog with such attractive odds.

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Quote from: Dave1 on April 03, 2023, 08:48:25 PM

Tapales fight is this weekend, just check my favorite sport bookies, unfortunately, it's not yet listed.

However, I'm not going to be surprised if he will be the underdog this Sunday. But you can't never discount Filipinos in boxing. We already have the precedent in Manny Pacquiao.

Thank you for sharing this news with me. I've heard of this fighter before and I think he's a decent competitor. I would be interested in betting on him if he's listed as an underdog on the bookies. It's possible that the odds aren't available yet, but we can check a day before the fight when bookies typically list odds for less popular fights.

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As far as I remember, Akhmadaliev will be fighting another Filipiino in Marlon Tapales to defend his IBF and WBA super bantamweight belts. So it's going to be big as this is dangerous fight for him as he will go against the underrated Tapales. And if by chance Marlon pulled a huge upset then it could be both Filipino fighting. It will be a huge shakeup in the division if Tapales wins here.

Yes, I'm also looking forward to Tapales winning the fight. It will really be a big recognition for him if that will happened.

If by any chance, Tapales might be the first one to face Inoue while Casimero is building his name up.

Lots of surprising events that might happened in the division especially a Pinoy boxer is involved.

Yes, and there are at least Filipino in the 118 lbs, Donaire, Astrolabio and Gaballo. And if the latter 2 decided to go up then it's going to be a free for all for this Filipino boxers to get a belt and maybe they will have to face each.

Tapales fight is this weekend, just check my favorite sport bookies, unfortunately, it's not yet listed.

However, I'm not going to be surprised if he will be the underdog this Sunday. But you can't never discount Filipinos in boxing. We already have the precedent in Manny Pacquiao.

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Quote from: Baofeng on April 03, 2023, 04:07:29 PM

As far as I remember, Akhmadaliev will be fighting another Filipiino in Marlon Tapales to defend his IBF and WBA super bantamweight belts. So it's going to be big as this is dangerous fight for him as he will go against the underrated Tapales. And if by chance Marlon pulled a huge upset then it could be both Filipino fighting. It will be a huge shakeup in the division if Tapales wins here.

Yes, I'm also looking forward to Tapales winning the fight. It will really be a big recognition for him if that will happened.

If by any chance, Tapales might be the first one to face Inoue while Casimero is building his name up.

Lots of surprising events that might happened in the division especially a Pinoy boxer is involved.

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Quote from: milewilda on April 03, 2023, 05:30:08 PM

For sure if this first match would be ending up that interesting the anytime there would really be a rematch that would be arranged on which im also anticipating for this one which it wont really be that shocking..

I'm not sure with the rematch. Stephen Fulton is ready to moved up to Featherweight division and it's just that Inoue climbed at 122, leaving him with no choice but to face Inoue first. I do think that there will be no rematch here and regardless of the result, Stephen Fulton will moved up no matter what.

But let's see first what will happened as there's even no mentioned yet, even in some news, that there's a rematch clause on the contract.

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on April 02, 2023, 09:36:19 PM

@harizen. I reckon Inoue vs. Fulton will have a rematch clause for both of them. They both have this right because Inoue was a famous unified champion in bantamweight and Fulton is presently the WBO and WBC champion. There might not be any speculations for a next opponent after the fight because each team will concentrate on the immediate rematch.

Agree with and I got the picture of what you are saying.

Maybe we can assume that there 2 possible things that might happen after the fight:

a) activating the rematch clause (if there's any)
b) will instead push facing the winner of the fight that I'm referring which I'm still looking for currently

For now, let's focus first on the upcoming fight.

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on April 02, 2023, 09:36:19 PM

@harizen. I reckon Inoue vs. Fulton will have a rematch clause for both of them. They both have this right because Inoue was a famous unified champion in bantamweight and Fulton is presently the WBO and WBC champion. There might not be any speculations for a next opponent after the fight because each team will concentrate on the immediate rematch.

In any case, for Casimero he should fight a big name in super bantamweight then challenge the IBF and WBA champion Murodjon Akhmadaliev. This will certainly force Inoue or Fulton to fight him on 2024.

For sure if this first match would be ending up that interesting the anytime there would really be a rematch that would be arranged on which im also anticipating for this one which it wont really be that shocking..
Casimero would really be still needing to climb up the ladder and tending to fight someone on the current division on where Inoue is, if he's really that chasing him to fight on but since the gap is there
then he cant just be able to call a match against Inoue unless if he would really be winning several matches to climb up the ladder.

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on April 02, 2023, 09:36:19 PM

@harizen. I reckon Inoue vs. Fulton will have a rematch clause for both of them. They both have this right because Inoue was a famous unified champion in bantamweight and Fulton is presently the WBO and WBC champion. There might not be any speculations for a next opponent after the fight because each team will concentrate on the immediate rematch.

I haven't seen or heard if there is a rematch clause, but let's see I agree that since Fulton is going to Japan, but in one condition, there could be a rematch clause and it will be in the US, or something like that. And it makes sense as he is the champion here and not Inoue. And knowing how PBC makes so much demand in their negotiations, I wouldn't be surprised that there is a immediate rematch between the two.

Quote from: bbc.reporter on April 02, 2023, 09:36:19 PM

In any case, for Casimero he should fight a big name in super bantamweight then challenge the IBF and WBA champion Murodjon Akhmadaliev. This will certainly force Inoue or Fulton to fight him on 2024.

As far as I remember, Akhmadaliev will be fighting another Filipiino in Marlon Tapales to defend his IBF and WBA super bantamweight belts. So it's going to be big as this is dangerous fight for him as he will go against the underrated Tapales. And if by chance Marlon pulled a huge upset then it could be both Filipino fighting. It will be a huge shakeup in the division if Tapales wins here.

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A win, still a win, whatever is the ground behind that win. As long as it was legit and clean, it will be on the side of Inoue if they will push the fight after the postponement and the injury is still not being cured.

I see both your point and, for sure, fighters are just aiming to meet each other inside the ring, whatever the reason
if the fight schedule being push, they will be there to face each other and will try to win from one another.

I think the same, if this injury did not happened now and instead happened during the fight of Inoue vs Fulton and Fulton obviously won due to the inability of Inoue to punch as he is used to, I will not take that win away from Fulton, as we must remember that during our lives we must face all kind of circumstances that are outside of our control and still do our best, but obviously in that case I would like to see a second fight in which both are at 100% to see who is the best under those circumstances.

Yup! if that happened then so be it Fulton will take the win and expect for a good rematch if Inoue's camp will activate the rematch claw, though not sure as it will be depends on how the assessment that they will going to take.

The fight was re-schedule and we will see them preparing. Inoue's injury might affect him
but once the fight schedule come up, they will meet and they will showcase all the talents that they've got.

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@harizen. I reckon Inoue vs. Fulton will have a rematch clause for both of them. They both have this right because Inoue was a famous unified champion in bantamweight and Fulton is presently the WBO and WBC champion. There might not be any speculations for a next opponent after the fight because each team will concentrate on the immediate rematch.

In any case, for Casimero he should fight a big name in super bantamweight then challenge the IBF and WBA champion Murodjon Akhmadaliev. This will certainly force Inoue or Fulton to fight him on 2024.

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Quote from: BitcoinPanther on April 02, 2023, 06:13:13 PM

So the fight is on July 25, so there is a lot of time for the winner of the match to have another fight before the year end. Hopefully, Casimero will have a shocking performance on his fight against Nghitumbwa that boxing councils will think and consider him as worthy contender of the winner of Fulton - Inoue title fight.

Not enough I guess. There are other top-ranked boxers that can Casimero can face first before having a ticket for a title match.

Don't expect Casimero to fight the winner between Inoue and Fulton.

I'm finding an article before wherein I think I saw who will probably face the winner between Inoue and Fulton. I will try to look for it.

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Quote from: Silberman on April 02, 2023, 03:37:38 PM

Quote from: Pamadar on April 02, 2023, 06:01:52 AM

A win, still a win, whatever is the ground behind that win. As long as it was legit and clean, it will be on the side of Inoue if they will push the fight after the postponement and the injury is still not being cured.

I see both your point and, for sure, fighters are just aiming to meet each other inside the ring, whatever the reason
if the fight schedule being push, they will be there to face each other and will try to win from one another.

I think the same, if this injury did not happened now and instead happened during the fight of Inoue vs Fulton and Fulton obviously won due to the inability of Inoue to punch as he is used to, I will not take that win away from Fulton, as we must remember that during our lives we must face all kind of circumstances that are outside of our control and still do our best, but obviously in that case I would like to see a second fight in which both are at 100% to see who is the best under those circumstances.

good for inoue's camp to call out the fight before it happens. now that fulton's camp know the injury, they may take advantage of knowing what particular injury inoue has and target its possible weakness. it was stated that its hand injury, so that's actually his major part of the body used in boxing. so let's see how this will pan out. if they think that 3 months time is more than enough to recover, then maybe the injury is not really that bad.

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