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Topic: [Boxing] Stephen Fulton vs. Naoya Inoue | WBC & WBO 122 lbs bout | July 25 - page 34. (Read 7068 times)

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In fact, Lens is superior to Rennes in the results of home and away matches and also, in their first meeting this season, Lens was still able to maintain its dominance when playing against Rennes. Also, the odds currently available at least don't have a significant difference so even though Lens is playing away, I'm sure Lens will still not be easy to beat.
Of course Lens cannot lose in this match, because Lens' position is threatened by Monaco who are in fourth place with only three points gap. So yes, even though in the match Lens will not be easy to win, then a draw is enough for Lens to maintain its position in third place in the Ligue 1 standings.

Lens certainly cannot lose this match. But another thing is they are also in a better form compared to Rennes. I know we are talking about Lens not closing this match, but at the same time, Rennes cannot also lose the match as well. Because if they lose they can go down in terms of positions on the table. So this is going to be a very competitive match between the teams which are at the top of the table right now. This can very well be a draw.


To be honest, I can't assume too much yet. because, I don't have much up-to-date information from the two teams that will compete. even so, this fight will not be easy for Lens to overthrow Rennes at their own cage. because, Rennes has a good record when carrying out his matches at his own headquarters. of the 14 matches they played at home, Rennes were able to win 11 matches. so, it's not an easy matter for Lens to gain full points. moreover, Rennes has a big motivation boost after successfully overthrowing PSG. at least, they will try their best to get points in the next match, including when they host Lens.

On the other hand, Lens has a pretty good H2H encounter against Rennes. in the last 5 meetings, Lens was able to win three matches and the rest were draws. however, it is not an easy job to overthrow the home team. My prediction for the time being, this match will be won by the home team or end in a draw.
There has been a lot of difference between the League One teams. Like most of the teams are not getting along with the PSG team. Basically what I'm trying to say is that Ligue 1 needs to improve a lot with some teams that can compete with PSG teams so the league is going to be really solid.

Everyone talks about PSG, Rennes and yes, now Rennes is being Seen as a strong team just for the fact that they Beat PSG and with respect to PSG badly,because even Messi was yelled at in the stadium "Cold chest" these Things are very strong, Messi is one of the most emblematic players, it's like saying CR7, when they start having to deal with things like this the best Thing is to leave,Because if he insists things can get complicated, I Would love for him to go to Saudi fútbol But of course not everyone sees things that way,let's see if they want to go to Bayern.

PSG president gives update on the futures of two club stars

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PSG president Nasser Al-Khelaifi has revealed that he and the club intend to keep hold of both Kylian Mbappe and Lionel Messi beyond this season.

There has been plenty of transfer rumours surrounding the players in question, most recently Messi, who has been linked with a move to Saudi Arabia by Spanish outlet Marca in the past week.

But it looks like both Messi and Mbappe will be staying put in Paris, with Al-Khelaifi reiterating to Marca (h/t 90Min) his stance on the situation of his two most valuable players.

“We are lucky to have some of the best players in the world, who wanted to play for PSG despite receiving offers from other clubs.

“We are working to keep them going. We are going to analyse what we are doing and make sure we can continue with them; we want to do things accordingly. We are not going to make mistakes.”

Mbappe, who has 31 goals in 33 matches this season, is contracted to PSG until 2025, while Messi’s situation is a little more delicate as his deal at the Parc Des Princes expires in June.

PSG boss Christoph Galtier also had his say on the contract situations, specifically Mbappe’s, keeping rather shtum on the idea of an exit for his player and fellow Frenchman.

“I do not have to try to convince Kylian to stay.

Source: https://www.caughtoffside.com/2023/03/26/psg-president-gives-update-on-the-futures-of-two-club-stars/
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@bisdak40. Agreed and it would be in a higher weight division where Casimero will not he overweight similar to what he has done in the bantamweight division.

In any case, what is the latest news? Is this fight only postponed or is there a chance of a cancellation? This might give a chance for Casimero to enter the show if he can challenge someone with a high rank in super bantamweight.

As per the latest news, this fight has been postponed. If Inoue needs more time to recover, then the fight may be cancelled. I'm not sure if Casimero is ready to fight a champion in this division yet. He may still need more fights to climb up the rankings and become a top challenger.

Casimero will be having a match against an unknown boxer this coming May, I think the chance of fighting the current champion of his division is dependent on his performance in his upcoming fight.  If he shows great dominance in his fight he might get an opponent at a higher ranking position then a possible title shot if he will dominate or KO'ed his next opponents.

As of this moment, Casimero needs to convince the boxing council that he can give an exciting fight against the champion.
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@bisdak40. Agreed and it would be in a higher weight division where Casimero will not he overweight similar to what he has done in the bantamweight division.

In any case, what is the latest news? Is this fight only postponed or is there a chance of a cancellation? This might give a chance for Casimero to enter the show if he can challenge someone with a high rank in super bantamweight.

For now it seems that the fight is going to be scheduled sometime or until his injury is totally 100% healed.

And as I expected, it's a hand injury that he suffered during the sparring session, and if I'm not mistaken Inoue has history of this kind of injuries. Against Omar Narvaez and we all know that Inoue punches so hard, that's why it's just a matter of time before he broke his hands. Probably the same case with Canelo as well, punching so hard in the mitts, or in the actual fight causing them to have this injury. Might take time though, 3 months maybe before he can go back to sparring again and try that hand?
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@bisdak40. Agreed and it would be in a higher weight division where Casimero will not he overweight similar to what he has done in the bantamweight division.

In any case, what is the latest news? Is this fight only postponed or is there a chance of a cancellation? This might give a chance for Casimero to enter the show if he can challenge someone with a high rank in super bantamweight.

As per the latest news, this fight has been postponed. If Inoue needs more time to recover, then the fight may be cancelled. I'm not sure if Casimero is ready to fight a champion in this division yet. He may still need more fights to climb up the rankings and become a top challenger.

Hopefully Inoue will recover in a quicker time frame, but like what you mentioned, it can be cancelled if Inoue will be needed to take more time in curing the injury that he has right now.

In terms of Casimero, there' are still lots of challengers in this division before he can have that chance to challenge
the current champ. Or, if pressure from Fulton's camp will see the big potential of a money making fight for him.
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@bisdak40. Agreed and it would be in a higher weight division where Casimero will not he overweight similar to what he has done in the bantamweight division.

In any case, what is the latest news? Is this fight only postponed or is there a chance of a cancellation? This might give a chance for Casimero to enter the show if he can challenge someone with a high rank in super bantamweight.

As per the latest news, this fight has been postponed. If Inoue needs more time to recover, then the fight may be cancelled. I'm not sure if Casimero is ready to fight a champion in this division yet. He may still need more fights to climb up the rankings and become a top challenger.
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@bisdak40. Agreed and it would be in a higher weight division where Casimero will not he overweight similar to what he has done in the bantamweight division.

In any case, what is the latest news? Is this fight only postponed or is there a chance of a cancellation? This might give a chance for Casimero to enter the show if he can challenge someone with a high rank in super bantamweight.
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We cannot really blame them if that's what they wanted, after all, Inoue is a precious cash cow to Bob Arum and therefore he cannot really afford to see Inoue depreciate its value if in-case he is defeated. Anyway, there was once a supposed fight between the two of them but because of Covid-19, it wasn't pushed through. Now that they are both in the same division again, I hope their path will cross once again because people are already rooting for this to happen.

If only Casimero just did the right thing, then we should already see him clashing with Inoue. It's not being Inoue being a cash cow and they didn't avoid Casimero. It's just that Casimero is the reason why he become out of the discussion. I don't think Inoue is afraid of Casimero and even though I'm with Quadro Alas here, I didn't expect that he will have an easy win against Inoue.

More importantly, Casimero should not just pick top boxers but just negotiate a deal even with those below rankings just to have an active fight. As long as he keeps and continues winning, he will gain his rank and later on, will be included in the contender's discussion.

With all the things happening right now, i don't think Inoue is afraid of our "kababayan", in fact when they were still in the bantamweight, the Japanese Monster was calling out Casimero and the latter should have fought Inoue if not for their foolishness.

It's just that Casimero had a high chance of winning against Inoue due to his speed and power if we compare to the other opponents of Inoue. That Butler unification fight was a gimme because he was not as talented as Casimero and if we look deeper, Inoue have not fought boxers who is equally dangerous to Casimero lately so if Casimero vs Inoue will puh through then this would be exciting.
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We cannot really blame them if that's what they wanted, after all, Inoue is a precious cash cow to Bob Arum and therefore he cannot really afford to see Inoue depreciate its value if in-case he is defeated. Anyway, there was once a supposed fight between the two of them but because of Covid-19, it wasn't pushed through. Now that they are both in the same division again, I hope their path will cross once again because people are already rooting for this to happen.

If only Casimero just did the right thing, then we should already see him clashing with Inoue. It's not being Inoue being a cash cow and they didn't avoid Casimero. It's just that Casimero is the reason why he become out of the discussion. I don't think Inoue is afraid of Casimero and even though I'm with Quadro Alas here, I didn't expect that he will have an easy win against Inoue.

More importantly, Casimero should not just pick top boxers but just negotiate a deal even with those below rankings just to have an active fight. As long as he keeps and continues winning, he will gain his rank and later on, will be included in the contender's discussion.
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Before that, we are not even sure that Casimero will pass the weigh-in against Butler.

There was a possibility that Casimero would fail to make the required weight, which is why he violated the rules. He was too desperate to make weight. However, both Inoue and Casimero have moved up now, and there is a chance they will meet again. Casimero needs to ensure that he improves his ranking so he can become the top challenger for Inoue once Inoue becomes a champion.

Inoue's camp seems avoiding Casimero because if they want to make this fight to happen then they will mot create any drama and let this fight happen. But it seems that their promoter doesn't want to gamble the clean record of their fighter so they jump to other opponent. But if Casimero will get another belt maybe Inoue cannot escape and can make this fight happen. For now Casimero need to spend more efforts to get big fights so that he may have a belt to bet on this possible match up.

We cannot really blame them if that's what they wanted, after all, Inoue is a precious cash cow to Bob Arum and therefore he cannot really afford to see Inoue depreciate its value if in-case he is defeated. Anyway, there was once a supposed fight between the two of them but because of Covid-19, it wasn't pushed through. Now that they are both in the same division again, I hope their path will cross once again because people are already rooting for this to happen.
One of the main reasons on why certain fights cant be pushed through is just because on mainly with their promoters which same as you said that Arum wont really be that dumb on what are the fights that he should
arranged and whats not or shall be avoided.It is really that obvious that it is indeed a cashcow for Arum and he cant just afford that it would really easily depreciated. Being undefeated is something that a boxer
cant easily be able to attain on which having these flawless stats do remain up its value. This is why it would really be just depending on what are the possible fights that would be arranged
head on basing up on their plans.
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Its like Casimero was been sabotage for on that match that's why the fight between Butler and him has been off.

As much as we don't like what happened to Casimero during that time, they are really the ones to blame for why the fight against Butler didn't happen. Can't believe they are not aware of the British boxing council's guidelines. Even if that rule is not present at other countries' boxing jurisdictions, rules are rules.

Maybe Casimero is planning is next move, he needs to fight a solid rank player in the super bantamweight because he will get a chance to crack Inoue.

That's really the plan, however, Casimero's camp can't easily finalize a deal against a top-rank boxer because in the first place, no bearing if those top boxers will accept Casimero's deal. I remember they are pursuing Luis Nery after that Akaho win but currently, Nery does have its own interest. No choice but for Casimero to challenge first those boxers around his rank. It's a good start that coming from unranked, he was given a rank 8 by the WBC after winning against Akaho in his debut fight at 122.
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Before that, we are not even sure that Casimero will pass the weigh-in against Butler.

There was a possibility that Casimero would fail to make the required weight, which is why he violated the rules. He was too desperate to make weight. However, both Inoue and Casimero have moved up now, and there is a chance they will meet again. Casimero needs to ensure that he improves his ranking so he can become the top challenger for Inoue once Inoue becomes a champion.

Inoue's camp seems avoiding Casimero because if they want to make this fight to happen then they will mot create any drama and let this fight happen. But it seems that their promoter doesn't want to gamble the clean record of their fighter so they jump to other opponent. But if Casimero will get another belt maybe Inoue cannot escape and can make this fight happen. For now Casimero need to spend more efforts to get big fights so that he may have a belt to bet on this possible match up.

We cannot really blame them if that's what they wanted, after all, Inoue is a precious cash cow to Bob Arum and therefore he cannot really afford to see Inoue depreciate its value if in-case he is defeated. Anyway, there was once a supposed fight between the two of them but because of Covid-19, it wasn't pushed through. Now that they are both in the same division again, I hope their path will cross once again because people are already rooting for this to happen.
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Before that, we are not even sure that Casimero will pass the weigh-in against Butler.

There was a possibility that Casimero would fail to make the required weight, which is why he violated the rules. He was too desperate to make weight. However, both Inoue and Casimero have moved up now, and there is a chance they will meet again. Casimero needs to ensure that he improves his ranking so he can become the top challenger for Inoue once Inoue becomes a champion.

Inoue's camp seems avoiding Casimero because if they want to make this fight to happen then they will mot create any drama and let this fight happen. But it seems that their promoter doesn't want to gamble the clean record of their fighter so they jump to other opponent. But if Casimero will get another belt maybe Inoue cannot escape and can make this fight happen. For now Casimero need to spend more efforts to get big fights so that he may have a belt to bet on this possible match up.

That should be Casimero's goal now. They haven't met in the bantamweight division, so they need to take action in the super bantamweight. I think that's what the fans are asking for. They want to see if Casimero is really at par with Inoue since he was trash-talking Inoue when he was still the champion.

Casimero has been quiet nowadays, maybe because he is no longer a champion, so he needs to start winning fights to get a chance to face Inoue in a championship fight. As a fan, I would to see that happen as the other side of me believe that Casimero could upset Inoue.

Maybe Casimero is planning is next move, he needs to fight a solid rank player in the super bantamweight because he will get a chance to crack Inoue. Nevertheless, we just hope that the fight will Fulton will move, yeah, Fulton said that he is ok for the fight to be rescheduled, but we really don't know if it can be done in the near future. What if he himself was injured as well?

So everything is not certain until we hear the bell in the first round, IMHO.
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Before that, we are not even sure that Casimero will pass the weigh-in against Butler.

There was a possibility that Casimero would fail to make the required weight, which is why he violated the rules. He was too desperate to make weight. However, both Inoue and Casimero have moved up now, and there is a chance they will meet again. Casimero needs to ensure that he improves his ranking so he can become the top challenger for Inoue once Inoue becomes a champion.

Inoue's camp seems avoiding Casimero because if they want to make this fight to happen then they will mot create any drama and let this fight happen. But it seems that their promoter doesn't want to gamble the clean record of their fighter so they jump to other opponent. But if Casimero will get another belt maybe Inoue cannot escape and can make this fight happen. For now Casimero need to spend more efforts to get big fights so that he may have a belt to bet on this possible match up.

That should be Casimero's goal now. They haven't met in the bantamweight division, so they need to take action in the super bantamweight. I think that's what the fans are asking for. They want to see if Casimero is really at par with Inoue since he was trash-talking Inoue when he was still the champion.

Casimero has been quiet nowadays, maybe because he is no longer a champion, so he needs to start winning fights to get a chance to face Inoue in a championship fight. As a fan, I would to see that happen as the other side of me believe that Casimero could upset Inoue.
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Before that, we are not even sure that Casimero will pass the weigh-in against Butler.

There was a possibility that Casimero would fail to make the required weight, which is why he violated the rules. He was too desperate to make weight. However, both Inoue and Casimero have moved up now, and there is a chance they will meet again. Casimero needs to ensure that he improves his ranking so he can become the top challenger for Inoue once Inoue becomes a champion.

Inoue's camp seems avoiding Casimero because if they want to make this fight to happen then they will mot create any drama and let this fight happen. But it seems that their promoter doesn't want to gamble the clean record of their fighter so they jump to other opponent. But if Casimero will get another belt maybe Inoue cannot escape and can make this fight happen. For now Casimero need to spend more efforts to get big fights so that he may have a belt to bet on this possible match up.
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Before that, we are not even sure that Casimero will pass the weigh-in against Butler.

There was a possibility that Casimero would fail to make the required weight, which is why he violated the rules. He was too desperate to make weight. However, both Inoue and Casimero have moved up now, and there is a chance they will meet again. Casimero needs to ensure that he improves his ranking so he can become the top challenger for Inoue once Inoue becomes a champion.
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Maybe I'm not clear, Casimero still has his chance to fight Inoue only if he won the fight against Butler. But the Butler fight didn't happen because of the weight issues on Casimero. So if he just make the weight on the scheduled first fight and win, maybe we have seen the Casimero vs Inoue already. However, even in the rescheduled fight, he still missed the weight or was caught still trying to lose weight in sauna by the BBBoC, hence the fight with Butler was cancelled and he was replaced by another Filipino who lost to Butler. And so the Butler vs Inoue happen, and if by chance Casimero made the weight in the second fight, he should be the one facing Inoue. So still boils down to Casimero not making the said weight that deter the fight happening between him and Inoue.

That was supposed to be the best undisputed fight if Casimero had been able to meet the weigh-in requirements. I think his team was unaware that they were violating the rules, so it's not that he didn't make the weight requirement - he was disqualified, which gave Butler the opportunity to get the belt against a weaker opponent.

However, we all witnessed the kind of quality Butler has as a boxer. He is not on the level of Inoue and Casimero yet.

Yes, it's a missed opportunity for John Riel Casimero, but he has move forward to the same weight as Casimero is right now. So there is a chance that they could meet in the future as well.

Nevertheless, time is running out for Casimero, Inoue is hurt and so this fight is postponed. So Casimero might wait for another full year to have a chance against Inoue and he needs to win more in 122 lbs as well.

I believe it was the opposite thing where John Riel Casimero didn't missed an opportunity to have a supposed match-up with Naoya Inoue because even if let's say Casimero wasn't found cheating from the rule book and managed to defeat Paul Butler, Casimero will again face the fact that he's already too heavy for the bantamweight division and it might give him struggles again in the next weigh-in that will probably be a reason why an undisputed fight will not happen. Before that, we are not even sure that Casimero will pass the weigh-in against Butler.
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Alright, some news stated that Naoya Inoue suffers a "hand injury" during sparring.

I'm curious about what happened though, does it happen while Inoue is in a sparring session or while doing his usual punching bag routine? Maybe too much pumped even at practice? Or if it's on sparring, maybe Inoue really showed seriousness even for that.

Here we go again with a long period of speculation because of the postponement. Almost just 2 months left waiting for this clash and we end up hanging on to our excitement because of the unfortunate thing that happened on Inoue. If there's no fresh news or progress for about weeks, I'll consider locking this thread.

As much as I am saddened by the postponement of this big fight, I do understand the need for it. Rather than hide the injury like Pacman did in the Mayweather fight and Lomachenko in the Lopez fight, I like that Inoue and his team were straightforward with the public and move this fight to another schedule. There is no need to be extra brave in spite of suffering injuries because that deprived the public of seeing them fight healthy and leaves no excuses behind. Not saying Pacman and Loma made excuses for their defeats but upon knowing what really happened already we knew that their fights would've been different if they were 100% healthy.

Maybe there is no need to lock this thread unless Fulton rejects the idea of moving this fight to a new date.

I think it's better to keep the thread open, at least if there is some update, then someone can posted it here. I agree, it's better for them to come clean early and announced that Inoue is not 100% right now and that he is injured and cancel this fight because he doesn't want to fight when he is suffering from something.

We need him at his best against Fulton because he is the challenger here and this is the fight time that he will be climbing up and fighting at super bantamweight. Just interesting to hear though what is the injury of Inoue because I can't find any article about it.

There's no need for this thread to be closed because there's still a big chance that this fight will happen but on another date because of Inoue's acquired injury. Besides, Steph Fulton's camp is not saying anything about what happened nor gave a statement regarding the fight, so it's best to assume that this fight will still happen. I got a feeling it will soon and Fulton won't cancel this because he also wanted this fight in the first place.
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Alright, some news stated that Naoya Inoue suffers a "hand injury" during sparring.

I'm curious about what happened though, does it happen while Inoue is in a sparring session or while doing his usual punching bag routine? Maybe too much pumped even at practice? Or if it's on sparring, maybe Inoue really showed seriousness even for that.

Here we go again with a long period of speculation because of the postponement. Almost just 2 months left waiting for this clash and we end up hanging on to our excitement because of the unfortunate thing that happened on Inoue. If there's no fresh news or progress for about weeks, I'll consider locking this thread.

As much as I am saddened by the postponement of this big fight, I do understand the need for it. Rather than hide the injury like Pacman did in the Mayweather fight and Lomachenko in the Lopez fight, I like that Inoue and his team were straightforward with the public and move this fight to another schedule. There is no need to be extra brave in spite of suffering injuries because that deprived the public of seeing them fight healthy and leaves no excuses behind. Not saying Pacman and Loma made excuses for their defeats but upon knowing what really happened already we knew that their fights would've been different if they were 100% healthy.

Maybe there is no need to lock this thread unless Fulton rejects the idea of moving this fight to a new date.

I think it's better to keep the thread open, at least if there is some update, then someone can posted it here. I agree, it's better for them to come clean early and announced that Inoue is not 100% right now and that he is injured and cancel this fight because he doesn't want to fight when he is suffering from something.

We need him at his best against Fulton because he is the challenger here and this is the fight time that he will be climbing up and fighting at super bantamweight. Just interesting to hear though what is the injury of Inoue because I can't find any article about it.
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Alright, some news stated that Naoya Inoue suffers a "hand injury" during sparring.

I'm curious about what happened though, does it happen while Inoue is in a sparring session or while doing his usual punching bag routine? Maybe too much pumped even at practice? Or if it's on sparring, maybe Inoue really showed seriousness even for that.

Here we go again with a long period of speculation because of the postponement. Almost just 2 months left waiting for this clash and we end up hanging on to our excitement because of the unfortunate thing that happened on Inoue. If there's no fresh news or progress for about weeks, I'll consider locking this thread.

As much as I am saddened by the postponement of this big fight, I do understand the need for it. Rather than hide the injury like Pacman did in the Mayweather fight and Lomachenko in the Lopez fight, I like that Inoue and his team were straightforward with the public and move this fight to another schedule. There is no need to be extra brave in spite of suffering injuries because that deprived the public of seeing them fight healthy and leaves no excuses behind. Not saying Pacman and Loma made excuses for their defeats but upon knowing what really happened already we knew that their fights would've been different if they were 100% healthy.

Maybe there is no need to lock this thread unless Fulton rejects the idea of moving this fight to a new date.
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Maybe I'm not clear, Casimero still has his chance to fight Inoue only if he won the fight against Butler. But the Butler fight didn't happen because of the weight issues on Casimero. So if he just make the weight on the scheduled first fight and win, maybe we have seen the Casimero vs Inoue already. However, even in the rescheduled fight, he still missed the weight or was caught still trying to lose weight in sauna by the BBBoC, hence the fight with Butler was cancelled and he was replaced by another Filipino who lost to Butler. And so the Butler vs Inoue happen, and if by chance Casimero made the weight in the second fight, he should be the one facing Inoue. So still boils down to Casimero not making the said weight that deter the fight happening between him and Inoue.

That was supposed to be the best undisputed fight if Casimero had been able to meet the weigh-in requirements. I think his team was unaware that they were violating the rules, so it's not that he didn't make the weight requirement - he was disqualified, which gave Butler the opportunity to get the belt against a weaker opponent.

However, we all witnessed the kind of quality Butler has as a boxer. He is not on the level of Inoue and Casimero yet.

Yes, it's a missed opportunity for John Riel Casimero, but he has move forward to the same weight as Casimero is right now. So there is a chance that they could meet in the future as well.

Nevertheless, time is running out for Casimero, Inoue is hurt and so this fight is postponed. So Casimero might wait for another full year to have a chance against Inoue and he needs to win more in 122 lbs as well.
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